Israeli strikes on southern Gaza city of Rafah kill 22, mostly children, as US advances aid package

originally posted by: Zeyin
You have shown nothing other than trying to justify the mass killings of Palestinians..

DEFLECTION and NOT TRUE.

YOU falsely stated that you were using the words 'murder' and 'mass killing' because the AP news article did. I showed that it did not. That means you did not tell the truth. Now you are squirming because you are getting called out on it.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
90% SURE THIS IS AN ai BOT.

He's been banned from here 20 times that I've counted.
Some of the many names - Alienborg, Leviathan4, CaptX, Venkuish1/Consvoli/Lochid
Each incarnation is a different obsession. Today it's Israel.
He's banged on Israel before.

The arguments I have presented are very strong and you can't possibly find a way to deal with them. Making personal attacks isn't helping your case.

It's something other posters have told you as I have seen in other threads today. You need to have valid arguments and use good sources. Sources like the ADL or Jewish Newspapers backed up by the State of Israel are not exactly what we call fair and impartial.

On the other hand I provided sources like the NYT, AP and Amnesty International.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Zeyin
You have shown nothing other than trying to justify the mass killings of Palestinians..

DEFLECTION and NOT TRUE.

YOU falsely stated that you were using the words 'murder' and 'mass killing' because the AP news article did. I showed that it did not. That means you did not tell the truth. Now you are squirming because you are getting called out on it.

That's what the article says.
22 people dead and 18 children among them. Don't you think it's the definition of mass killings or you want to increase the number to 400 or 1000?

Your aim in these conversations is to dismiss the killings claiming either they haven't happened or the numbers are exaggerated. When these arguments fail you are going back to your position they deserved to die because Hamas started the conflict.

originally posted by: glen200376
Oh the children!Always the children!

Ummm...I know...right...?


15,000...and counting...

Doesn't it make you all warm and cozy...deep inside...?


You should market the Tee-shirt...



YouSir

originally posted by: Zeyin
The arguments I have presented are very strong ...

No sparky, they aren't.
As has clearly been shown, your source LIES.
The story may be true. But it also may not be.
No amount of emotionally loaded language from you will change that.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Zeyin
It's not an excuse for mass murder of civilians.

Your continued use of loaded language for emotional impact is ridiculous. And now that I have figured out who you are .. banned and back at least 20 times that I have counted ... I'll post something that I know you have seen before.

Just a reminder about the fact that civilians die in war ...
casualties in recent wars ...

World War II - 50,000,000 Dead

World War I - 40,000,000 Dead

Vietnam War - 1,353,000 Dead

Korea War - 525,000 Dead, over 1 Million Missing

Iraq War - Over 1 Million Associated Deaths

Iran/Iraq War - 500,000 Iraqi dead and 750,000 Iranian dead

Ummm...Dayam...way to be so celebratory about it...

You go...girl...





YouSir

originally posted by: Zeyin
That's what the article says.

No it's not. YOU SAID that you used the words 'murder' and 'mass killing' because that's what the article used. IT DID NOT. Therefore, you did not tell the truth.

Your aim in these conversations is to dismiss the killings claiming either they haven't happened or the numbers are exaggerated. When these arguments fail ...

The arguments don't fail.
In case you missed it .. you have been shredded on this thread.

As I said, the story may be true, but it equally may not be.
The source is highly in question. They lie a lot.
And you use them as if they were the God's Honest Truth ...
because it fits your narrative to do so.

QUOTING so it doesn't get lost in the thread.
This is VERY important.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato

from the before mentioned AP editor,

There has been much discussion recently of Hamas attempts to intimidate reporters. Any veteran of the press corps here knows the intimidation is real, and I saw it in action myself as an editor on the AP news desk. During the 2008-2009 Gaza fighting I personally erased a key detail—that Hamas fighters were dressed as civilians and being counted as civilians in the death toll—because of a threat to our reporter in Gaza. (The policy was then, and remains, not to inform readers that the story is censored unless the censorship is Israeli. Earlier this month, the AP’s Jerusalem news editor reported and submitted a story on Hamas intimidation; the story was shunted into deep freeze by his superiors and has not been published.)

An Insider’s Guide to the Most Important Story on Earth

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Zeyin
Have they not killed children and innocent people in Gaza? What is the problem with the word 'targeting'.

Because using the word 'targeting' is inaccurate and a lie.
Israel does NOT purposely go after children and civilians.
Israel targets HAMAS and their infrastructure and munitions.
Anything or anyone else hit are collateral damage and collateral death.

This is basic understanding of English language.

You are, once again, using LOADED LANGUAGE to try to push an
emotional response from people. It's disingenuous.

When they bomb entire areas in Gaza destroying everything with thousands of pounds of bombs they don't just target children but everyone.

I should have been more precise in what I said.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Zeyin
That's what the article says.

No it's not. YOU SAID that you used the words 'murder' and 'mass killing' because that's what the article used. IT DID NOT. Therefore, you did not tell the truth.

Your aim in these conversations is to dismiss the killings claiming either they haven't happened or the numbers are exaggerated. When these arguments fail ...

The arguments don't fail.
In case you missed it .. you have been shredded on this thread.

As I said, the story may be true, but it equally may not be.
The source is highly in question. They lie a lot.
And you use them as if they were the God's Honest Truth ...
because it fits your narrative to do so.

.that's what the 22 killings of innocent Palestinians are.

It's mass killings of civilians including 18 children.

Don't you have better arguments?

originally posted by: Zeyin
.that's what the 22 killings of innocent Palestinians are.
It's mass killings of civilians including 18 children.

Hang it up dude. You are looking desperate.
You said you used those exact words because the article did.
I showed that the article did not.
You fibbed. And now you are squirming. Not pretty.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Zeyin
That's what the article says.

No it's not. YOU SAID that you used the words 'murder' and 'mass killing' because that's what the article used. IT DID NOT. Therefore, you did not tell the truth.

Your aim in these conversations is to dismiss the killings claiming either they haven't happened or the numbers are exaggerated. When these arguments fail ...

The arguments don't fail.
In case you missed it .. you have been shredded on this thread.

As I said, the story may be true, but it equally may not be.
The source is highly in question. They lie a lot.
And you use them as if they were the God's Honest Truth ...
because it fits your narrative to do so.

Why, do you have any evidence the story is false?

Are you saying that the IDF didn't kill 22 people and 18 children among them?

How do you classify this act?
Murder? Mass murder? Maybe accident?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Zeyin
.that's what the 22 killings of innocent Palestinians are.
It's mass killings of civilians including 18 children.

Hang it up dude. You are looking desperate.
You said you used those exact words because the article did.
I showed that the article did not.
You fibbed. And now you are squirming. Not pretty.

If you don't have anything to debate I understand your position.

It didn't change the story and the mass killings of civilians in just one incident.
Imagine how many more have died since then.

originally posted by: Zeyin
Why, do you have any evidence the story is false?

As has already been said ... the story may be true, but it equally may not be.
Hamas 'Gaza Health Ministry' has a history of lying about deaths.
Examples were posted.

Are you saying that the IDF didn't kill 22 people and 18 children among them?

As was said ... maybe they did and maybe they didn't.
Hamas 'Gaza Health Ministry' has a history of lying about deaths.
Examples were posted.

ANY deaths are the fault of Hamas and the 'palestinians'
They caused the war. They could have ended it months ago.

How do you classify this act?
Murder? Mass murder? Maybe accident?

Collateral deaths in the time of war ... and in this war they died
because of Hamas and the 'palestinians' .... because that's what it is.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Zeyin
.that's what the 22 killings of innocent Palestinians are.
It's mass killings of civilians including 18 children.

Hang it up dude. You are looking desperate.
You said you used those exact words because the article did.
I showed that the article did not.
You fibbed. And now you are squirming. Not pretty.

I am not the one who is here 24/7 trying to defend the acts of Israel. They are indefensible and you know it. Other posters have told you exactly the same when you are defending the destruction of Gaza and trying to justify the number of people who have died in the area as a result of the bombings.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Zeyin
Why, do you have any evidence the story is false?

As has already been said ... the story may be true, but it equally may not be.
Hamas 'Gaza Health Ministry' has a history of lying about deaths.
Examples were posted.

Are you saying that the IDF didn't kill 22 people and 18 children among them?

As was said ... maybe they did and maybe they didn't.
Hamas 'Gaza Health Ministry' has a history of lying about deaths.
Examples were posted.

ANY deaths are the fault of Hamas and the 'palestinians'
They caused the war. They could have ended it months ago.

How do you classify this act?
Murder? Mass murder? Maybe accident?

Collateral deaths in the time of war ... and in this war they died
because of Hamas and the 'palestinians' .... because that's what it is.

Alienborg/Leviathan4/Captx/Venkuish1/Consovoli/Lochid/Zeyim, etc etc
You've got a problem. Your behavior in regards to ATS isn't normal.
Get some help with it. Really.

So you are acknowledging the story could be true.

What about the claims there are far too many people killed by the IDF in Gaza?

Blinked admitted it and it's about time to admit what the too diplomat admitted sometime ago.

I know who 'zeyin' is ...
This is useless with him.
I'm done. OUT

I guess those kids won't grow up to join Hamas.
Hamas is why they are dead in the first place but we won't let that get in the way of a good story.

a reply to: Zeyin

How many hamas fighters have been killed?

I only ask because everyone is really good at the numbers of children and innocent civilians dying. . . . .

a reply to: Zeyin

I think Associated Press and Amnesty International are very strong and reliable sources.

🤣🤣🤣 AP hasn’t been reputable for a couple of decades. They used to be somewhat back when, not today, they’re just another bought and paid for propaganda outlet nowadays, like most all of them.

We’ve really missed you🙄