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originally posted by: introufo2
a reply to: Ophiuchus1
The three stooges!
Seriously, sure Vallee could do it.
Or Maybe Michio Kaku...An open-minded fellow and scientist...
AARO researched and interviewed numerous people, programs, and leads. It has determined that modern allegations that the USG is hiding off-world technology and beings largely originate from the same group of individuals who have ties to the cancelled AAWSAP/AATIP program and a private sector organization’s paranormal research efforts. These individuals have worked with each other consistently in various UAP-related efforts.
• Persons 1-5 and Interviewees 1, 3, 9, 12, 13, and 14 have repeatedly voiced these claims in various public and private venues, and they have petitioned Congress in various capacities on UAP issues. They have not provided any empirical evidence of their claims to AARO.
• Persons 1 and 3 and Interviewees 1, 3, and 12 were involved with the paranormal research conducted under AAWSAP/AATIP.
• Person 5 and Interviewees 3, 9 and 14 were involved with the alleged crashed UAP materials that were provided to the U.S. Army and subsequently to AARO for examination.
• Persons 4, 7, and 8 and Interviewees 1, 3, and 13 investigated UAP on their own and were responsible for successfully expanding the remit of an existing IC program to include UAP exploitation language.
• AARO notes that Persons 1 and 4 never formally sat down with AARO to provide official, signed statements; these individuals have been mentioned by other interviewees frequently as sources of their claims. Person 8 held an informal interview and Interviewee 14 sat for an official interview but has not signed the memo for the record documenting this interview.
Polling data on public trust reflects Americans’ changing views over time. According to the Pew Research Center, polling on this topic began in 1958, when about 75 percent of Americans trusted the USG “to do the right thing almost always or most of the time.” Since 2007, however, that figure has not risen above 30 percent. This lack of trust probably has contributed to the belief held by some subset of the U.S. population that the USG has not been truthful regarding knowledge of extraterrestrial craft.
That doesn't name names, but we know who it's talking about, more or less.
AARO researched and interviewed numerous people, programs, and leads. It has determined that modern allegations that the USG is hiding off-world technology and beings largely originate from the same group of individuals who have ties to the cancelled AAWSAP/AATIP program and a private sector organization’s paranormal research efforts.
These individuals have worked with each other consistently in various UAP-related efforts.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
The way I look at it is, the government did lie about Roswell being a "weather balloon" when it was actually a much larger balloon train related to the Mogul project.
I don't think that much has changed today where the government can still lie to us if they feel the lie is justified. The main change I see is that a larger population is aware of this today than back in 1947, because trust in government truthfulness has fallen. This is actually discussed on page 39 of the report:
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
So if this report had come out and said "yes we were hiding alien bodies", then people who believed that was true would say it was finally disclosure, and they would believe it whether it was actually true or not.
But those same people seeing the denial of such will just claim the report is a lie and they won't be ridiculed in general, because the majority of people now apparently have low trust in the government as the report indicates.
What about the leaked UFO videos, like the one in the New York Times? Kirkpatrick says there’s not enough data to provide a definitive analysis of each one but insists that, like all the stories that came across his desk, they have mundane explanations that don’t involve space aliens. The rotating object shaped like a flying saucer is probably glare from a distant heat source. “The source could be any number of things. Even a weather balloon will give off that kind of glare if it’s got enough shiny metal on it, and the sun’s just right,” he says.
But evidence is not the point. Some will never be swayed. “There’s the absolute true belief, which would suggest it is more akin to a religion than an actual factual thing,” he says. “And those are the people that you’re never going to convince, no matter what you put in front of them. I can lay out the pictures of the classified programmes that they mistook, and they still wouldn’t believe it. They would say, ‘No, that was derived from alien technology.’”
And what if the government does eventually get its hands on aliens and their flying saucers? “It’s not their job [to keep it secret],” he says. “It would immediately get turned over to Nasa, and Nasa would immediately disclose it to everybody. That’s their job.”
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
So for people who really want to know the truth, I think the only path is to conduct your own independent investigation, or assess the credibility of investigations done by others. I have already done this for the most prominent UAP/UFO claims over the years and came to the conclusion it was unlikely the government was hiding either aliens or alien space ships.
None of the claims of such really panned out and all had severe credibility issues, especially Bob Lazar to name one witness in particular. But that whole "UFO mafia" around him like Knapp, Corbell, Bigelow and all of Bigelow's affiliates seemed to be at the center of propagating UFO stories that didn't have credibility. This is also addressed in the AARO report.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
That doesn't name names, but we know who it's talking about, more or less.
Again independent research showed that "UFO mafia" was propagating some obvious UFO mythology even before the AARO report came out. That gawdawful skinwalker ranch poltergeist nonsense was even worse.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
So when I read the AARO report, it's just confirming more or less the conclusions I already reached about the "UFO mafia" spinning myths, even before the report came out. I can't say I trust the report because I trust the government to tell the truth, because I don't. But it seems in this particular case, it doesn't seem like the report is lying. At the very least, the report is accurate when it says the evidence for all these extraordinary UAP claims is lacking, (even if some of the claims happened to be true, and the evidence was just well hidden, though that seems unlikely since it's hard to hide evidence that well).
originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Btw…..where are the politicians commenting on the latest report?
Where’s Burchett, Luna, Gaetz…..or anyone from the UAP Caucus for that matter?
Crickets and tumbleweeds?
Anyone have a link to any commenting…. post latest AARO report by any of these folks?
“Today, my colleagues and I formally requested that the Speaker establish a select committee focused on UAP. This letter underscores the urgency in uncovering details about legacy programs, dark money financing, and the complex relationship between federal agencies and the private sector. Transparency is essential for understanding the broader implications of UAP on national security, use of taxpayer funds, and public trust.”
originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Let’s see how this pans out……
Hear-ye….Hear-ye…. Aliens and UFO’s forum members.,,,,
From the world of UFOlogy……Who (still living) would you choose to run the AARO and why? An UNBIASED candidate is preferred (if that’s even possible).
My choice….Jacques Vallee….he’s written enough on the subject, done his own boots on the ground investigating. I will dismiss his wreckage pieces…debacle…near San Antonio New Mexico 1945 incident and give him the lessons learned benefit.
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On July 26, 2023, the Oversight Committee held a public hearing with retired Major David Grusch, along with Ryan Graves, the Executive Director of Americans for Safe Aerospace, and retired Navy Commander David Fravor, where they testified on their experiences with UAP, the national security risks posed by UAP, and the existence of UAP technologies currently possessed by the Federal Government. Specifically, Mr. Grusch revealed the existence of a UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program which has been illegally withheld from Congress. In July 2022, the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) found Mr. Grusch’s complaint to be “credible and urgent.”1 While the testimony revealed some answers, many more questions remain unanswered, and we believe that further investigation is warranted.
None of the other co-signees have made any sort of statement in relation to the report or the statement. Looks to me like they are playing a game of see-no-hear-no.
originally posted by: introufo2
You see no one has any info on this just goes to show us the superficial nature of this so-called' disclosure"
I don't recall( maybe I missed it) any information from Grusch about specific times these things occurred.
It's the basic aspect of any investigative technique to know when and where such and such happened.
originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
originally posted by: introufo2
You see no one has any info on this just goes to show us the superficial nature of this so-called' disclosure"
I don't recall( maybe I missed it) any information from Grusch about specific times these things occurred.
It's the basic aspect of any investigative technique to know when and where such and such happened.
Perhaps the answers you seek are addressed in Grusch’s OpEd which he mentioned (2023) he’d do ….but up till now (2024) has yet to materialize.
Perhaps Mellon has Grusch’s ballz in a vise ……
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Declassification of UAP records will be largely up to the same entities that have blocked their disclosure for decades