Pope Francis Says Marxism, Christianity Have a Common Mission

I'd love to see the pope tour the middle east and preach his version of the gospel to all of the radical Islamic groups. I bet not a one would kiss his 'sacred' ring.

a reply to: FlyersFan

You know who else has one true authority with sovereign dominion over society? Communists.

And just like communism, either you're "in" or you're "out", if you get what I'm saying.

a reply to: FlyersFan


Pope Francis Says Marxism, catholicism Have a Common Mission.

there i fixed it for him.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
Pope Francis Says Marxism, catholicism Have a Common Mission.
there i fixed it for him.

He claimed all of Christianity, not just Catholic christians. I don't think the Protestants would appreciate that. He just got scolded by a bunch of Protestant ministers for his blessing of gay couples. I'm sure they wouldn't mind scolding him again over saying that all of Christianity has the same mission as Communists.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Has it not been the practice among the Faithful that those taking their vows to become nuns, monks, and priests in various Roman Catholic orders, surrender their "worldly possessions", foreswear wealth with a vow of poverty, and, among nuns and monks at least, enter into a communal (ie. "communist") living arrangement?


Has this not be the case for more than a millennia? Well predating either Marx or Lenin.


Why then the surprise, not to mention the vitriol, at Pope Francis' (who took the name of St. Francis of Assisi, the once heir to a wealthy family who renounced his wealth and status to serve the poor and the sick) observation?



Perhaps Christianity would be better served if it counted among its adherents fewer "Christians", and more followers of Christ.

a reply to: Mantiss2021

Monks and nuns give up everything for God.
Communists give up nothing and don't believe in God and serve the state.
The mission of Communism is to destroy religion and take people away from God.
And it mass murders anyone who disagrees with it.
The mission of Religion is to bring people to God.

Two different things.

originally posted by: BingoMcGoof

You can't make this stuff up!

A grand exhortation by one who believes in stuff that was made up.

Young man, you cut me to the quick! Provide some context, please.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: Mantiss2021

Monks and nuns give up everything for God.
Communists give up nothing and don't believe in God and serve the state.
The mission of Communism is to destroy religion and take people away from God.
And it mass murders anyone who disagrees with it.
The mission of Religion is to bring people to God.

Two different things.

"The State", which happens to be the people, the "proletariat", rather than some elite class of otherwise ordinary human beings who, by virtue either dynastic luck, or shrewd exploitation of of their fellow ordinary humans, are able to set themselves up in positions of authority within a hierarchical framework which they control.


As to mass murders....May I present; The Crusades? And let's not forget about that all time hit, The Inquisition!


Believe, or Die!

Oh what the heck, we'll just torture you until you claim to believe, then kill you anyway!


"The purpose of Religion is to bring people to God". Usually (and most effectively) via pain, suffering, and death.

a reply to: ColeYounger2

I"m pretty sure you are old enough to know about the context upon which my comment was made. That context is of course that religions are the ''best guesses'' on the nature of existence dependent upon the times, places and histories of the people who wrote them.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Well done. You're spot-on and I agree. God bless

a reply to: BingoMcGoof

Read "The Will to Believe" by William James, the father of American psychology.

Also Pascal's Wager

a reply to: ColeYounger2

Me, too, good sir. I loved studying philosophy and theosophy, myself. You're right to point out that the Pope is veering away from the noetic faith component of belief and focusing more on sociopolitical nonsense to serve the large scale systems of society in the post-modern era due in part to globalization and the flattening of the world's information barriers. The NWO has been going on for a long time, but it's unfortunate that the head of the Vatican wants to play politician. Oration and rhetoric are by nature made of lies, so I think it's totally sus that the Pope is acting like it's all Kosher.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Christianity is individualistic.

Marxism is collective.

So, um, nope.

Amazing the mental gymnastics people will go through just to pretend Jesus didn't say to share with the poor and less fortunate, and that rich people who hoard wealth won't make it into heaven.

originally posted by: TheValeyard
Amazing the mental gymnastics people will go through just to pretend Jesus didn't say to share with the poor and less fortunate, and that rich people who hoard wealth won't make it into heaven.

Can you show me where Jesus mandated that people share?

TVM

a reply to: DBCowboy


All over the red letters, my dude. Shouldn't have to.
Remember when he fed 5,000 people with a few loaves and a few fish, by tearing em up into little peices?

But if you want a quote:
Matthew 7:24-27. "Whoever wants to be first must be slave of all.".
I rather think that sums it up.

"It's easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."
Why might that be? Because you shouldn't have accumulated enough wealth to be considered rich, because you were supposed to be helping others.
It's pretty obvious!

Read your Bible more if you're gonna believe it.

originally posted by: TheValeyard
a reply to: DBCowboy


All over the red letters, my dude. Shouldn't have to.
Remember when he fed 5,000 people with a few loaves and a few fish, by tearing em up into little peices?

But if you want a quote:
Matthew 7:24-27. "Whoever wants to be first must be slave of all.".
I rather think that sums it up.

Read your Bible more if you're gonna believe it.

So you think that charity should be forced.

Ummm, kay.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Tithes were originally, so, kind of a silly point TBH.
Doubly silly because it's not even my religion I'm arguing for.

originally posted by: TheValeyard
a reply to: DBCowboy

Tithes were originally, so, kind of a silly point TBH.
Doubly silly because it's not even my religion I'm arguing for.

But you have to choose to be Christian.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Agreed, and I hope it stays that way, but the context of the thread is that what the pope is saying is controversial.
I am simply arguing that in the context of Christianity, and him being the main Christian leader on Earth,
that it shouldn't be controversial, as it IS in line with New Testament Jesus' teachings.