Zionism vs Bolshevism

a reply to: 19Bones79

Christiendom was once upon a time THE globalist dream, and it grew out of the fetish to relive the Roman empire, hence the holy Roman empire in Europe. Which had deep rooted hatred for jews.

Now, let's go down the same vein towards the expulsion of jews from "over 1000 times...".
Did you know that Ashkenazi jews were expelled by... other jews from a lot of places they tried to settle, even in the Levant region? Did you know Christian Europe spent hundreds of years and massive military efforts to keep Muslims out of Europe? Or that the 30 years war was over Christians not getting along?

Can you see a common relationship going on there?

Read the reddit link I gave you for the rest of your answer. Trotsky is seen as a well connected man because his family had money and was wealthy. He also had no idea how to conduct business with bankers, Lenin did. There's no real evidence to even tie Lenin to any back door deals, but if it was one of the bolsheviks it would be Lenin.

I'm not sure what rabbit holes you've gone down, but it seems like you've taken the far right coolaide.

a reply to: BrucellaOrchitis

I'll concede a bit and admit using the word secured was a bit much.

More to the tune that if anyone would have gotten money from banks it would be Lenin. But yes, no actual real evidence suggests banks from Wall Street did fund the revolution, but there was still a lot of incentive to do so, so if we were to use common sense some bankers most likely did broker a back door deal. The "allied" forces did intervene in the civil war, and helped the white army after all.

originally posted by: strongfp
Everyone was jumping on the bandwagon of spooky jews controlling the world... I don't see this as anything more than just digging up old antisemitic information to some how tie what's going on in todays world of conspiracy theories.

^^ THAT. The Jews don't control the world and they aren't trying to. And before it's brought up, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are an anti-semitic hoax.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

When Killing, Raping and Torture brings a person elation and happiness that is a broken person who's society has failed them in the worst way possible . How exactly do we handle people like that ?

Do you admit that the Israelis have been guilty of exactly these actions since 1948?

And if you're being consistent...

How exactly do we handle people like that?

Nope I admit no such thing .

The Israelis meaning the people of Israel not just Jewish people have been Fighting for and Defending their land. Israelis are not raised to be Radicals nor to hate .

The IDF are soldiers accomplishing a mission. They are not there to Rape and Brutalize people while praising Allah.

Right. It's accepted that it's never the involvement of Jews. Never. In the over 1000 times throughout history they have been expelled from places, they have always been innocent of subversion and falsely accused of misdeeds. Is that the position your holding on to?

Quick tuck your Feathers back in they are showing your true colors .

originally posted by: strongfp
More to the tune that if anyone would have gotten money from banks it would be Lenin.

Lol, but that doesn't detract from the fact that we have no evidence to support that. I have no issue with you wanting to believe that though so I won't argue the point any more than I have. I really enjoyed his writing on capitalist imperialism, but he totally sold out socialism by choosing the immediacy of violent revolution.

originally posted by: strongfp
But yes, no actual real evidence suggests banks from Wall Street did fund the revolution, but there was still a lot of incentive to do so, so if we were to use common sense some bankers most likely did broker a back door deal. The "allied" forces did intervene in the civil war, and helped the white army after all.

Kerensky is the one to look at in that respect. He was willing to stay in the war in exchange for cash funds. Have a mosy down that trail if you're bored.

Aside from aiding Lenin's return from exile, the Germans very actively incited the revolution from a military point of view, infiltrating the docks where the Russian navy were harboured, leafleting and rumour mongering, leading to a significant desertion of the Russian Navy.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Thank you for posting this excellent & timely refresher on the NUANCE of Jewish activity in the world. No longer can they who have read this letter cry 'Antisemitism!" after any suggestion that nefarious atheistical international jewry is causing chaos in the world. People need to understand there are different strands of Jewish thought & activity in the world. Indeed, as Churchill wrote in this letter, both the heights of divinity & the depths of Satanic depravity find their origin in the same Chosen Race which is known as the Jewish race. We should not be afraid to speak truth to power, and remember that NUANCE is all, in describing the complexities of any organised human action in this world.

a reply to: strongfp

No, the revolutionary leadership comprised almost entirely of Jews, there being something like 450 of them in the ruling class as the bullets flew.

a reply to: BrucellaOrchitis

Didn't karensky flee Russia when the Civil War broke out?

I'm happy to report that there are still a lot of Jews that lead with their humanity.


I have all the time in the world for them and they have my total respect.

Joe Biden said publicly he is a proud Zionist.
The Scofield Bible has led many Christians to a similar view that supporting the state of Israel is biblically-mandated.
Somehow in 2023 over 80% of all Federal Cabinet positions in the US are occupied by Jews.
By dominating the financial sector they have achieved control.
This is how 2% of a population has established outsized influence.

a reply to: strongfp

Christiendom was once upon a time THE globalist dream, and it grew out of the fetish to relive the Roman empire, hence the holy Roman empire in Europe. Which had deep rooted hatred for jews.

Do you see the Abrahamic connection? This superiority complex all came from the same place.

The difference being Muslims and Christians sought to dominate through violence whereas Jews infiltrated a society, remained insular in their country of choice and always came to dominate in a more covert way through very specific industries.

Did you know that Ashkenazi jews were expelled by... other jews from a lot of places they tried to settle, even in the Levant region?

Very interesting. I did not know that. So the standard accusations don't hold water as the semites expelled the Ashkenazi Jews.

What is the official narrative surrounding those events? Jealousy? Envy? Did they have a valid reason?

Did you know Christian Europe spent hundreds of years and massive military efforts to keep Muslims out of Europe? Or that the 30 years war was over Christians not getting along?

Yes I did. And what strikes me as peculiar is that we can talk about it without fear of being labeled.

But the moment you shine a light on Ashkenazi activities throughout the centuries you get buried under a mountain of accusations.

Can you see a common relationship going on there?

I can. It's the Abrahamic superiority complex.

Read the reddit link I gave you for the rest of your answer.

Admittedly I haven't read it yet but I will, so thank you. I have read the part that was quoted earlier in this thread and I'm not sure it was going in the direction you intended.

I'm not sure what rabbit holes you've gone down, but it seems like you've taken the far right coolaide.

Because my views are in opposition to yours, right?

It's unfathomable that the official narrative which you espouse could be wrong.... right?

In fact, how dare I not simply swallow it down like a good, little boy and stop rocking the boat.

Right?

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Nope I admit no such thing .

So you would deny the mass slaughter of Palestinians buried in mass graves that occurred in 1948?

Then it's pointless to talk to you any further.

a reply to: 19Bones79

There is no "official" narrative, you've just fallen for a narrative and then been conned into thinking that there is an official one.

Let me put it this way, people have a hard enough time organizing birthday parties without something going wrong, sporting events, festivals, you name it always have something going wrong or multiple factors tugging at every which way.

Institutionalized religion Europe was brought down by one simple machine, the printing press, how can you honestly buy into this notion that some secret Jewish cabal is running the world through some secret network of subverting nations to do their bidding, most Jewish groups can't even get along religiously, let alone collaborating to take over the word.

Use common sense.

Just offering another interesting historical Zionism and Bolshevism account. Where have I seen/heard the sentiment below?

Jews were fully aware of the Czar’s hostility towards them, without knowing at that time of the confidential discussions the Czar had with his ministers, although they could guess what he confided to some of them: that he considered it necessary “to teach a lesson to the Jews who raise their heads and who lead the revolution.”

Bialik, the national Hebrew poet, gave vent in a satirical poem to the bitterness felt by thousands of Jews both at the brutality of the war and the persecution of the Jews:

Lo Nakhalat akhuzah, lo gag vi’zcl korah—
U’mah kol ha’kharadah? U’mah kol ha’mora?
Lo dinyvelo rakhamin, lo nakam ve’ shilem
Ve’lamah takharishu—Pe simu l’e’ilem!

[No estate, no roof, no ceiling
and what is all the panic? What is all the fear?
No justice no mercy, no vengeance or compensation
and why do you keep silent? You have all become dumb.]

Ber Borochov, the outstanding Marxist theoretician of Poale­-Zion, outlined that Zionism must aim to achieve the following three goals:

Economically: the concentration of the Jewish masses in Israel;
Politically: to receive in Israel a territorial autonomy for the Jewish people;
Fulfill aspirations to our own home in Palestine.

One of the important Jewish Communists in this Commissariat, Zorach Greenberg, published the first attack on the Zionists and the Balfour Declaration since the Bolshevik Revolution. He mocked the Zionists as modern believers in a Messiah; that the Balfour Declaration was merely a swindle, a deception for the Jews, and that the Zionists would find in Palestine a growing resistance from the Arabs. In addition to all these points, the spokesman for the Commissariat had to acknowledge “that the Zionists preachers and conscious demagogues exercise an extraordinary influence over the Jewish people, which is duped and misled by the Sermons of the Zionists.”

Russia, as everyone knows, was invaded by the armies of fourteen States, and from the other side of the spectrum, from England, Winston Churchill, the prime architect of the intervention in Russia, fully supported the Whites in their struggle against the Bolsheviks. Reports began to appear in the Western press of mass atrocities against the Jews perpetrated by the Whites and the Ukrainian Nationalists. Amid all this, Churchill published in an issue of the Illustrated Sunday Herald of 1920 an article: Zionism versus Bolshevism—A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People. This article must surely rank as one of the startling chapters in the rich and colorful life of Churchill. It is a strange mixture of exceptional admiration for some of the qualities of the Jews, as well as a deep loathing for other sorts of Jews, and it includes an extraordinary apology for the pogroms organized by the Whites.

To the astonished surprise of many people he (Churchill) went on to apologize for General Denikin and the White Army:

Wherever General Denikin’s authority could reach, protection was always accorded to the Jewish population, and strenuous efforts were made by his officers to prevent reprisals and to punish those guilty of them.
This was in flagrant contradiction to all the available evidence. To counter Communism, loyal Jews were urged by Churchill to help “in building-up with the utmost possible rapidity a Jewish national centre in Palestine.” It is curious—tragic and comic at the same time—that Lenin liked Jews who were revolutionaries, and believed in international assimilation as the solution to the Jewish question, while Churchill liked those “loyal Jews,” who would be nationally inclined, and visualized the salvation for the Jewish people in a National Home in Palestine.

What is the lesson for the historian? Many might well reject Marx’s advice to the philosophers on the task of changing the world. Perhaps they should, however, accept the counsel of Spinoza to philosophers that “their duty is neither to laugh nor to cry, but to understand.”

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a reply to: strongfp

There is no "official" narrative, you've just fallen for a narrative and then been conned into thinking that there is an official one.

What is the official narrative regarding Jews being kick out of more than a thousand areas throughout history?

And if you still want to play pretend, let's label it your opinion.

a reply to: 19Bones79

There is none!

You're looking for one to fulfill your own made up conspiracy theory. Jews are not the only people to be persecuted, or kicked out of regions, or killed off.

And before you go on and say something along the lines of "oh well why can't I talk about this or that about jews..." you certainly can, but you're most likely certainly wrong when you realize it's nothing but a big game of identity politics and obsession with a certain group of people.

It's not some grand conspiracy that jews have been exiled from dominantly Muslim or Christian nations or regions. What about the rest of the world? Christian nations were exiled from almost all Asian nations is that a conspiracy too?

a reply to: strongfp

There is none!

Perhaps you're just uninformed. Let's go with that.


Find me a mainstream source criticizing the actions of the Jews that lead to them being expelled from anywhere throughout history.

Then go to Chatgpt.

Ask it about the Jews being expelled from countries throughout history.

Then go to your search engine of choice and do the same.

Go to Wikipedia.

Go to YouTube.


Then come back here and report on your findings.

Christian nations were exiled from almost all Asian nations is that a conspiracy too?

Why were they expelled? Is it because those nations were envious of their success?

We're those nations always in the wrong?

Of course not.

Now compare the 2 different narratives.

a reply to: 19Bones79

I already gave you the answer, because of religion. To be more specific, Christians in medieval Europe, almost all the times jews were expelled were during the time when the holy Roman empire started to creep into Europe.

When the only religion in a certain region is Christianity, and a small minority of other 'official' religious groups try to live there as well, who do you think will become expelled over time?

Let's turn this around shall we, why were so many pagen religions expelled? Was it because their druid ways of life were too powerful and "subverting" the local population?

a reply to: strongfp

Sooo... You're refusing to do a simple search?

In fact, you have not addressed any questions I've asked during the last few replies.