Israeli pilots refuse to fly assassination missions

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Muldar

You need to get over these irrational emotions.

Me?

Your original argument is bogus. Israel is targeting legitimate military targets, the civilian deaths are from Hamas using human shields. Israel military operations because Hamas targeted civilians in terrorists attacks. And now Hamas is trying to bargain and hiding behind hostages.

That is not the same as your false narrative Israel is indiscriminately targeting civilians out of revenge. With Hamas just recently, out of most likelihood, killed 70 of their own civilians. Then tried to falsely pin it on Israel. Nothing Hamas puts out as news and information can be trusted. They have zero credibility and morality.

That's what the Israeli propaganda says: 'we hit legitimate military targets'.

You're parroting the lines but war speaks for itself.

What Israel did isn't an act of defense but an act of revenge.

The death toll from airstrikes, already at unprecedented levels, had reached more than 2,200. That included 724 children and 458 women, the Gaza health ministry said.

The number speak for themselves. And they don't out to war crimes. Over 2,700 Palestinians dead at the moment.

It's your own narratives that are false and bogus. Not to mention the support of a side that has committed war crimes.

a reply to: WhatItIs


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Here is a British-Jew who is a member of the Labour party in the UK verifying precisely this i.e that collective punishment is a war crime and that Israel is committing war crimes.

James Schneider is his name in case you want to listen. He just verifies the reality of war.

He refutes your unsubstantiated claims in a few minutes. Other Jewish people have spoken against the killings of innocent civilians and kudos to them and to all sane people. I am sure some of the Israeli Pilots are also thinking of this situation.

I think you're wasting your time trying to excuse war crimes.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Saloon

How do you feel about Hamas setting up roadblocks to stop civilians (including children) from fleeing the war zone?

Do you despise that and does it pain your soul?

I despise all who would do such a horrible thing.

When one sactually has a soul all means all and reading comprehension
comes much easier.

a reply to: Saloon

"When one sactually has a soul all means all and reading comprehension
comes much easier."

Reading comprehension?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Reading comprehension?

All I'm saying is I think one of us may need a nap Carp.

a reply to: Muldar

So you don't think their attitudes might have changed since October 7th?

November 24th, 1941:

"Would you want to go assassinate a Japanese imperial target in the of Kyoto, bomber pilot Sir?"

"Not if it was peace time or endangered civilians."

December 8th, 1941:

"Would you want to go assassinate a Japanese imperial target in the of Kyoto, bomber pilot Sir?"

"Hell yeah! Death to all Japs! Round them up and get rid of them all."

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: Muldar

So you don't think their attitudes might have changed since October 7th?

November 24th, 1941:

"Would you want to go assassinate a Japanese imperial target in the of Kyoto, bomber pilot Sir?"

"Not if it was peace time or endangered civilians."

December 8th, 1941:

"Would you want to go assassinate a Japanese imperial target in the of Kyoto, bomber pilot Sir?"

"Hell yeah! Death to all Japs! Round them up and get rid of them all."

There is a difference between attacking military targets and attacking and killing thousands of civilians by continuously bombing their area. I understand what you're trying to say but the situation with Israel and Palestine isis rather different with the war going on for decades.

a reply to: Muldar

How do you think the 360,000 Israeli reservists feel about this?

They seem quite keen to defend their country. No?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

How do you think the 360,000 Israeli reservists feel about this?

They seem quite keen to defend their country. No?

I don't know.

I can only assume they want to serve their country but not necessarily invade Gaza or kill innocent civilians.

a reply to: Muldar

Errr....they are massing on the border, why?

Not to invade Gaza?

That's what they were called up to do?

Denialism of reality, or what?

Do they share your opinion?

Probably not. No?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

Errr....they are massing on the border, why?

Not to invade Gaza?

That's what they were called up to do?

Denialism of reality, or what?

Do they share your opinion?

Probably not. No?

They were ordered to.
You forgot this very little detail...
And you don't know how many of those want to go in Gaza which is different to 'serving their country'

I assume you haven't been to the army and you don't know what an order is.

a reply to: Muldar

Correct. I have not "been to the army", whatever that means.

May I respectfully ask, straight answer please, in which army did you serve?

Any evidence that any of these hundreds of thousands of reservists have any doubts about their resolve?

So, which army was it?

Straight question about your claim.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

Correct. I have not "been to the army", whatever that means.

May I respectfully ask, straight answer please, in which army did you serve?

Any evidence that any of these hundreds of thousands of reservists have any doubts about their resolve?

So, which army was it?

Straight question about your claim.

I see you don't really understand this situation.

There is a difference between serving your country and want to take part in a particular operation. Especially this one. The reason is fear of death as Israel could have many dead and wounded soldiers by the end of it. I think more Palestinians will eventually die as they can't match the strength and numbers of the IDF

You asked me for evidence for my personal opinion?!

And I think I said it before. It's the US Army.

a reply to: Muldar

In which service?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

In which service?

These things are secret.
Secrecy is very important as you know.

But because you mentioned it, I wonder if anyone has refused to obey orders.

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: Muldar

War crimes have been answered with war crimes.

Ladies,gents, aliens and everything between: "The Rule Of Law".

You get the drift yet?

There is no rule of law as it seems.

a reply to: Leviathan4

There is no Dana, only Zuul.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: Muldar

War crimes have been answered with war crimes.

Ladies,gents, aliens and everything between: "The Rule Of Law".

You get the drift yet?

There is no rule of law as it seems.

Wheres elevatedone when you actually need him amirite?

I think the right question is do people support Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombing. If they do probably they are mass murder psychopathic individuals. Supporting civilians mass slaughter indicates a psychopathic tendency of an individual, and they should be labeled for having such attitude.

I doubt there will be many pilots refusing to fly missions this time.