Putin Sells Out Russia

So, I had a fairly vivid dream the other night about being in Russia and Ukraine in the winter, and in the end, being in the presence of massive amounts of firing Russian artillery, near to the cannons. It was a kind of military tourist thing. One of the Russians fired some red smoke but it misfired towards our location. When it fell it was clear it was not a smoke cannister it was actually chemical munitions to start fires . I woke up after fleeing from a huge wave of flame and pressure.

When I lay there in bed I had a brainstorm. See, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that Russia and Ukraine are sending all their young men into this meat grinder. There has always been a way to sort this out without so much needless death. So that got me thinking, especially on the side of Russia, Putin is (supposedly) literally sending untrained cannon fodder to the front without proper equipment. It seems like a purposeful waste of life after awhile.

So what if Putin is secretly on the side of the globalists, and he has agreed to clear out most of the fighting age men, as has Zelensky, in order for there to be no domestic resistance, when the Western corporatocracy comes to town? Then Bayer, Monsanto, Pfizer, Blackrock et al can waltz into both Ukraine AND Russia and claim everything, pollute it with their GMO's etc.

This leaves the NWO , one world government in the hands of China, which has it's fingers everywhere already. Then we can all live happily ever after in a totalitarian CCP style police robot world hooked up to The Cloud and constantly surveilled and restricted.

What say you?

Sounds like a plan. Let me run it by Klaus and I'll get back to you.

With the recent economic war against Russia kicking it out of the World Bank and the SWIFT transaction system, sounds like Russia has been doing well holding its own and still trading with many other nations. Might even have a gold backed currency from some reports.

I don't see them selling that out with some of the SVB rumbles going on.

a reply to: kwakakev

That's true.

To go out on the end of the speculation twig, maybe They will cancel SWIFT and the World Bank etc and come in with something new? It could all be show....

a reply to: chris_stibrany

War used to be great for politicians, bankers, weapons manufacturers and their ilk. The atom bomb put paid to a lot of that but proxy wars are the gift that keeps on giving.

I've had three dreams over the course of decades unlike any others in their intensity and effect on my psyche.

The first one at age 13 where the Chinese army had occupied the continental U.S.in great numbers and were corralling and processing us indigents.

As unlikely as it seems, or maybe "seemed" is a better choice, it still stays with me in a powerful way.

a reply to: midicon

They are especially handy for looting and pillaging resources, as well as destroying evidence of crimes. Just look at all the 'Tablets of Destiny' the US made off with in Iraq when the museum got looted.

a reply to: The GUT

I don't see the Chinese owning the world, and thus USA by force. I see it being done (already) via bribes, corruption, and playing the long long game.

a reply to: chris_stibrany

Which explains how they could get all of them here for occupation. Roll in after the shtf bloodbath.

a reply to: chris_stibrany

So what if Putin is secretly on the side of the globalists, and he has agreed to clear out most of the fighting age men, as has Zelensky, in order for there to be no domestic resistance, when the Western corporatocracy comes to town? Then Bayer, Monsanto, Pfizer, Blackrock et al can waltz into both Ukraine AND Russia and claim everything, pollute it with their GMO's etc. This leaves the NWO , one world government in the hands of China, which has it's fingers everywhere already. Then we can all live happily ever after in a totalitarian CCP style police robot world hooked up to The Cloud and constantly surveilled and restricted.

All those names listed, why would they want a Chinese type system?

Anytime a CEO steps out of line in China, they go off the grid for a few months and suddenly come back humming a different tune.

Russian ones find windows to fall out of.

And I’m not going to act as if we’re perfect, because there is problems with our system and unelected power many multinationals have. But surely they prefer this system where they have much more room to operate and even lobby the governing body.

China isn’t also without their own problems. Depopulation and a looming real estate crisis, they’re not some clear cut case to have a clear lead on global power and influence. That may change in a few decades, but I remember in the 80’s and 90’s when it was Japan everyone was convinced would take the role of economic superpower.

To be fair, if you asked me five to ten years ago, I’d have said I was more fearful of it then. But I don’t think it’s set in stone yet, but they’re a ways off from the global kind of control you’re proposing.

problem i see if the multipolar world china is crafting just as the west undermines itself.. if anything putin can see where the wind is blowing..

put the shoe on the other foot ad roll it back 100 years and you'll find Hitler wanting to side with Britain against the usa in the same way people say the next war is usa vs china in the 20s and 30s they though Britain vs usa.

we itroor both period quite closely.. 1923 is the date i see the british empire dying..as it was when canada, australia and sa said they'd do their own foreign policy from now on thanks, it was also when the previous century of politics dominated by new liberalism came to an end..

this is where the world is again.... with the extremes (communism/nazism/marxism/socialism) fighting over who gets to be the replacement world order..

none of this ever goes to plan because the planners we have are sh*t they struggle to fill pot holes let alone keep infrastructure working.. to be everyones planners are sh*t as that is where we all are globally as societies..

a reply to: CriticalStinker

they’re a ways off from the global kind of control you’re proposing.

All the big cities around the world have a Chinatown section. The are big on trade, lot of money flowing all over the place. Big population spreading all over the planet and space. In building a clear picture of how this world works they are doing ok.

a reply to: nickyw

There’s always going to be different polarities. But again, I think China is quite a ways off from being the threat you describe.

Even if they get to a point where their economy is bigger, the west will resist them for the same reasons they resisted the USSR, their governments directive and ideology don’t align with ours.

I understand that China is a threat, but I seriously doubt every big name is in on propping them up, because again, it would go against their own self preservation. That’s not to say China hasn’t benefited from western greed, but that’s different than saying it’s a shared goal for China to lead the global order.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: CriticalStinker

they’re a ways off from the global kind of control you’re proposing.

All the big cities around the world have a Chinatown section. The are big on trade, lot of money flowing all over the place. Big population spreading all over the planet and space. In building a clear picture of how this world works they are doing ok.

No one is saying they aren’t a major global player. What I’m questioning is are they right now the major global player?

Many countries have embassies in almost every country. Many of them do spying and clandestine missions abroad too. But that doesn’t mean they’re the major global player, same for China.

In terms of their incredibly quick rise, it’s impressive, historic even. But that doesn’t change the playing field of right now.

They’re still decades away from being able to project like the west does.

Putin sold us all out in Syria. Russia had been attacked after 911 by Muslim extremists..doesnt matter what country they originated from..I at that point considered Russia an ally and thought the world a better place for it. He betrayed all of us..maybe he was embarrassed at our successes in Afghanistan and tried the old one up look at me..very strange and made him a traitor in the war he pledged to fight therefore losing any global credibility..How could anyone in the free world support anything this 'leader' is doing? Its ww2 butchery..what he and his don't realize is that if the west enters the riz on his level there are those of us that will make their sledgehammer video look like a couple gay frat guys with a loofa everyone is holding their tongue because he has nukes..we know the odds at maximum..and they are stupid high…that's why we are here…and its shi$..same thing in central and South America, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, China, Those are just the examples of the participants in extreme oppression, this isn't the thread to bring up poverty and disease

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
See, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that Russia and Ukraine are sending all their young men into this meat grinder.

They are not both doing that. Putin IS doing that, but Ukrainians are defending their own home. And by all accounts are winning so far.

I'm pretty sure everyone in the world is expected to defend their own home.

On the other hand, Putin is sending dozens of thousands of young Russians to their deaths. Russians are fine with this. Russians are always fine with this. The last time the Russians stood up for themselves was against the Tzars. That was a hundred years ago.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

No one is saying they aren’t a major global player. What I’m questioning is are they right now the major global player?

What if we use the price of a pair of Nike shoes between China and America to set the exchange rate? The valuation of China's economy will jump dramatically. In Australia, it was the gold mines that first helped get a Chinese community established here.

For now the US global reserve status is helping US stay ahead, but as this CBDC rolls out, the global need for the USD will be slipping. I don't know how the backend of the CBDC will work on foreign exchange matters. If it is all under once central bank, then it is all just one currency. The SDR is one option to help balance the risk and merging of national currencies.

Will the foreign exchange rate markets just turn into a gambling den as the mountains of global daily transaction data is used to set the exchange rates? Just what will it take to put a country on the naught list?

a reply to: The GUT

They might run into some resistance to the tune of 850,000,000 firearms in the hands of Americans. This is why certain people are trying to erode American rights and remove guns.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Thank you for your response!

Ultimately, I think corporations would love a Chinese style system, because it prioritises big business/big box stores with more control over smaller ones. Especially knowing each customers biometrics would help you tailor to them their 'choices' especially when you realise that COVID(tm) was just such a test. We were all herded, WORLDWIDE into large bigbox stores, with thousands of other drones, with our own 'choice' and then told what to do and what to buy based on media and fear.
It only increased profits for large corporations.

Furthermore, multinationals don't need 'room' to operate, they do what they want, everywhere. Even in China. Just look at Apple, they get a free pass no matter what.

a reply to: Mahogany

I am glad you like Clive Barker.

Anyway, Ukraine IS also doing that. Why do you think they didn't order the withdrawal of their forces from Bakhmut? This is a badly written play and thousands of other Ukrainians have attempted to flee from service, just like their Russian brothers.
'Watch: A day in the life of the last soldiers in Bakhmut
Ukraine's military has released footage showing troops of the volunteer First Assault Battalion on the outskirt of Bakhmut. The video shows destroyed houses along the way and conditions at the frontline.

"Ruined houses and deserted villages. Thaw in the trenches and damp fields," the military said in a description of the video.

The footage was uploaded on Thursday but The Associated Press had no means of verifying when or where it was filmed.'


www.telegraph.co.uk...


And no, I am not pro Russia or pro Ukraine. I am pro common sense.

The way this has been spun is unbelievable.
Ukraine really did hurt their own citizens early on. The US really did mangle in elections and 'revolutions' . Russia really did invade.

Everyone is guilty, because everyone is human and fighting for their own goals.