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Is this a verse comparing the King of Tyre to a fallen angel? Or is this verse saying the King of Tyre IS the fallen angel? Or, is this verse saying the King of Tyre is possessed or strongly influenced by the fallen angel?
Or, maybe Satan was whispering weakness into Peter's mind and Jesus was speaking to that being.
If demons are naughty angels, do they look alike and how would you know which is which if they are experts at deception
These are my faith answers. No proof. 100% faith (other than my own Spiritual experiences, but you can't prove you have them).
originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: AOx6179
These are my faith answers. No proof. 100% faith (other than my own Spiritual experiences, but you can't prove you have them).
Faith by its very definition cannot be proved, and I take yours very seriously based on this level of awareness, I cannot say anything against that.
If most Christians would understand that, they wouldn't be so caught up trying to present what constitutes as proof in their mind's eye.
This is how I know you bring integrity to the conversation, and I respect you for that in the deepest of ways even if we disagree.
Your reply brings about one question:
Why would the majority of beings that have experienced heaven think it sucks to the point where anything but here would be a better option for them?
That means heaven and the presence of God has a negative track record when it comes to the feelings it inspires which bothers me if it is the be all and end all.
By all 'accounts' being around the Almighty is such an overwhelming feeling of fulfillment and peace and love and yet here we have a track record that shows a nett negative rating.
So God. The creator of all. Including the devil. It appears the devil might have been around even before Jesus and was maybe in line for some throneship type situation.
Anyways he was what a second in command would be. Beelzebub became proud. Thought he could overthrow God.
On the sixth day after God had created adam and eve he apparently wasn't quite fully finished creating so he told Adam and Eve he was going to finish his work and come see em when he got back.
thru making a deal with the creature guarding the entrance to the garden.
God had put his trust in his right hand man and the devil hated us (he coveted us so bad. Jealous of infants because God loved us so much.
I'm wondering if this is a known metaphor in Judaism, or in older forms of religion. And maybe when hijacked by pagan religions/Catholicism, the metaphor became a Darth Vader figure.
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... Jesus continued to reveal vital truths about the Messiah, including the certainty of his own impending suffering and death at Jerusalem. Peter was disturbed to hear such things. He took Jesus aside and rebuked him, saying: “Be kind to yourself, Lord; you will not have this destiny at all.”—Matt. 16:21, 22.
Peter surely meant well, so Jesus’ reply must have come as a surprise. He turned his back on Peter, looked at the rest of the disciples—who had likely been thinking something similar—and said: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.” (Matt. 16:23; Mark 8:32, 33) Jesus’ words contain practical counsel for us all. It is only too easy to allow human thinking to take priority over godly thinking. If we do so, even when we mean to help, we may inadvertently become proponents of Satan’s purpose rather than God’s. How, though, did Peter respond?
Peter must have realized that Jesus was not calling him Satan the Devil in any literal sense. After all, Jesus did not speak to Peter as he had to Satan. To Satan, Jesus had said: “Go away”; to Peter, he said: “Get behind me.” (Matt. 4:10) Jesus did not cast off this apostle in whom he saw a great deal of good, but he simply corrected Peter’s wrong thinking in this matter. It is not hard to see that Peter needed to stop getting in front of his Master as a stumbling block and needed to get back behind him as a supportive follower.
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... The dirge recorded at Ezekiel 28:12-19, though directed to the human “king of Tyre,” evidently draws upon or parallels the course taken by the spirit son of God who first sinned. The pride of the “king of Tyre,” his making himself ‘a god,’ his being called a “cherub,” and the reference to “Eden, the garden of God,” certainly correspond to Biblical information concerning Satan the Devil, who became puffed up with pride, is linked to the serpent in Eden, and is called “the god of this system of things.”—1 Tim. 3:6; Gen. 3:1-5, 14, 15; Rev. 12:9; 2 Cor. 4:4.
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