Florida Health Department: Health Alert on mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine Safety

originally posted by: TheWhiteKnight
fear doom propa you fell for and promoted

The irony 🤣

a reply to: quintessentone

What are you even talking about? are you trolling?.. Google "is a virus alive" EVERY SINGLE link says NO They are not by definition "alive" They are obligate intracellular parasites..

Im so sick of these people...

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Did you read this disclaimer on the VAERS site? (of course not)

When reviewing data from VAERS, please keep in mind the following limitations:

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.

"Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events. The degree of underreporting varies widely. As an example, a great many of the millions of vaccinations administered each year by injection cause soreness, but relatively few of these episodes lead to a VAERS report. Physicians and patients understand that minor side effects of vaccinations often include this kind of discomfort, as well as low fevers. On the other hand, more serious and unexpected medical events are probably more likely to be reported than minor ones, especially when they occur soon after vaccination, even if they may be coincidental and related to other causes.

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

vaers.hhs.gov...

Again, cause and effect must be proved but it never is.

Yes I did and has been explained several times but you don't seem to get it. Some cases are proven already, some others are under investigation. However there is a very strong correlation between rolling out of the vaccines, lockdowns, and non excess Covid deaths.

I am wondering do you still claim that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being a virus... That's is your own claim a few days ago.

You refuse to accept any proof regarding what a virus is, even some here say a virus is not alive. Do you agree a virus is not alive?

I'm not on this thread to argue with closed-mindedness. I am on this thread to alert you to the facts as VAERS is reporting them. Do you understand the limitations of the VASERS system? Do you agree cause and effect has not been established yet?

Before you argue the usual nonsense you need to know the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2. Coming here to these threads and try to lecture on matters that you don't seem to know at all when at the same time you claim that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus, is at least hilarious.

Your argument in the first paragraph has come out of your head. A strawman argument for once more.

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone

What are you even talking about? are you trolling?.. Google "is a virus alive" EVERY SINGLE link says NO They are not by definition "alive" They are obligate intracellular parasites..

Im so sick of these people...

The people you are so sick is an anti-vaxxer who stated in one of the OPs threads that virus are not alive.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Did you read this disclaimer on the VAERS site? (of course not)

When reviewing data from VAERS, please keep in mind the following limitations:

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.

"Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events. The degree of underreporting varies widely. As an example, a great many of the millions of vaccinations administered each year by injection cause soreness, but relatively few of these episodes lead to a VAERS report. Physicians and patients understand that minor side effects of vaccinations often include this kind of discomfort, as well as low fevers. On the other hand, more serious and unexpected medical events are probably more likely to be reported than minor ones, especially when they occur soon after vaccination, even if they may be coincidental and related to other causes.

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

vaers.hhs.gov...

Again, cause and effect must be proved but it never is.

Yes I did and has been explained several times but you don't seem to get it. Some cases are proven already, some others are under investigation. However there is a very strong correlation between rolling out of the vaccines, lockdowns, and non excess Covid deaths.

I am wondering do you still claim that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being a virus... That's is your own claim a few days ago.

You refuse to accept any proof regarding what a virus is, even some here say a virus is not alive. Do you agree a virus is not alive?

I'm not on this thread to argue with closed-mindedness. I am on this thread to alert you to the facts as VAERS is reporting them. Do you understand the limitations of the VASERS system? Do you agree cause and effect has not been established yet?

Before you argue the usual nonsense you need to know the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2. Coming here to these threads and try to lecture on matters that you don't seem to know at all when at the same time you claim that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus, is at least hilarious.

Your argument in the first paragraph has come out of your head. A strawman argument for once more.

Do you understand the limitations of the VAERS system?

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone

What are you even talking about? are you trolling?.. Google "is a virus alive" EVERY SINGLE link says NO They are not by definition "alive" They are obligate intracellular parasites..

Im so sick of these people...

The member you have replied to said a few days ago that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus...

So you can see the level of confusion in the arguments made.

Prior to this he was arguing in terms of herd immunity to support mass vaccinations. We all know herd immunity is not possible in this case due to the new emerging highly infectious and transmissible variants and because the crippled products cannot prevent transmission and infection.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: TheWhiteKnight
fear doom propa you fell for and promoted

The irony 🤣

The fear doom propa is on the other foot of the anti-vaxxr.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone

What are you even talking about? are you trolling?.. Google "is a virus alive" EVERY SINGLE link says NO They are not by definition "alive" They are obligate intracellular parasites..

Im so sick of these people...

The people you are so sick is an anti-vaxxer who stated in one of the OPs threads that virus are not alive.

You are not making any sense as usual. And you make a range of strawman arguments, as usual in your other posts.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone

What are you even talking about? are you trolling?.. Google "is a virus alive" EVERY SINGLE link says NO They are not by definition "alive" They are obligate intracellular parasites..

Im so sick of these people...

The member you have replied to said a few days ago that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus...

So you can see the level of confusion in the arguments made.

Prior to this he was arguing in terms of herd immunity to support mass vaccinations. We all know herd immunity is not possible in this case due to the new emerging highly infectious and transmissible variants and because the crippled products cannot prevent transmission and infection.

The lack of understanding is due to confirmation bias which stops one from learning facts.

Do you understand the limitations of the VAERS system?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone

What are you even talking about? are you trolling?.. Google "is a virus alive" EVERY SINGLE link says NO They are not by definition "alive" They are obligate intracellular parasites..

Im so sick of these people...

The people you are so sick is an anti-vaxxer who stated in one of the OPs threads that virus are not alive.

You are not making any sense as usual. And you make a range of strawman arguments, as usual in your other posts.

Do you understand the limitations of the VAERS system?

a reply to: quintessentone

Why are you putting a label on him? Maybe hes just anti covid vax?

I personally don't like cats... Does that make me Anti-animal?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone

What are you even talking about? are you trolling?.. Google "is a virus alive" EVERY SINGLE link says NO They are not by definition "alive" They are obligate intracellular parasites..

Im so sick of these people...

The people you are so sick is an anti-vaxxer who stated in one of the OPs threads that virus are not alive.

You are not making any sense as usual. And you make a range of strawman arguments, as usual in your other posts.

Do you understand the limitations of the VAERS system?

Everyone understands here what VAERS apart from you apparently.

But this isn't a surprise as you seem Tu be struggling with understanding the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2....

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone

What are you even talking about? are you trolling?.. Google "is a virus alive" EVERY SINGLE link says NO They are not by definition "alive" They are obligate intracellular parasites..

Im so sick of these people...

The people you are so sick is an anti-vaxxer who stated in one of the OPs threads that virus are not alive.

You are not making any sense as usual. And you make a range of strawman arguments, as usual in your other posts.

Do you understand the limitations of the VAERS system?

Do you actually claim that the scientists in the Department of Florida don't understand what VAERS is and that they are confused? But someone who doesn't understand the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2 knows better?!

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Did you read this disclaimer on the VAERS site? (of course not)

When reviewing data from VAERS, please keep in mind the following limitations:

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.

"Underreporting" is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events. The degree of underreporting varies widely. As an example, a great many of the millions of vaccinations administered each year by injection cause soreness, but relatively few of these episodes lead to a VAERS report. Physicians and patients understand that minor side effects of vaccinations often include this kind of discomfort, as well as low fevers. On the other hand, more serious and unexpected medical events are probably more likely to be reported than minor ones, especially when they occur soon after vaccination, even if they may be coincidental and related to other causes.

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

vaers.hhs.gov...

Again, cause and effect must be proved but it never is.

Actually cause and effect are often proven as is the case with the cases coming out lately about adverse reactions to the vaccine. It seems like you don't understand what you copy/pasted or..you are trolling. YOU (quintessestone) wrote "Again, cause and effect must be proved but it never is". THAT is absolutely false.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone

What are you even talking about? are you trolling?.. Google "is a virus alive" EVERY SINGLE link says NO They are not by definition "alive" They are obligate intracellular parasites..

Im so sick of these people...

The people you are so sick is an anti-vaxxer who stated in one of the OPs threads that virus are not alive.

You are not making any sense as usual. And you make a range of strawman arguments, as usual in your other posts.

Do you understand the limitations of the VAERS system?

Everyone understands here what VAERS apart from you apparently.

But this isn't a surprise as you seem Tu be struggling with understanding the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2....

This Surgeon General in Florida obviously does not know how to use VAERS data.

Anyone can report a concerning medical condition to the federal database. The ailment may or may not be related to vaccination.

William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Tennessee, said Ladapo’s letter “speaks (to) a misunderstanding of the VAERS data and how they are used, and that’s unfortunate.”

“Just looking at numbers of reports I think is interesting,” but it’s only the start of analyzing submissions, said Schaffner, a liaison to the federal Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, a group of independent experts who make vaccine recommendations. “You don’t draw conclusions from that. That’s actually a misuse of VAERS data.”

For example, if a death occurs four days after someone gets vaccinated, scientists can’t immediately conclude that the fatality was caused by immunization, he said.

“All you know is that you have two coincidental events,” he said. It’s a “logical fallacy” to conclude that “because ‘B’ follows ‘A,’ ‘A’ caused ‘B.’”

Ladapo is “strongly implying” a causal relationship between coronavirus vaccines and the spike in VAERS submissions, Schaffner said.

Two factors have “undoubtedly” led to a rise in reports to the database, Schaffner said: the sheer number of shots in arms during the vaccine rollout and the publicity surrounding the immunization campaign.

flvoicenews.com...

What is also unfortunate is you not doing proper research to determine whether a source is credible or not. Shameful.

a reply to: quintessentone

So what are you trying to say? That because VAERS has limitations that Its all fake?

Lets say for instance someone punches you in the head and you die a week later from a brain hemorrhage cause by blunt force trauma... IS that not cause and effect?

If someone goes and gets the shot and has a massive heart attack and dies two days later.. Is that not cause and effect?
Or is it just a "coincidence"?

Jesus you people will literally ride the line as far as you can...

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Did you read this disclaimer on the VAERS site? (of course not)

That disclaimer has always been there, and does nothing to change the facts:

1. The number of serious adverse reports in just the first 2 years of these jabs is almost DOUBLE the number for ALL OTHER JABS COMBINED over the last 30 YEARS,

2. There are an extraordinary number of reports from real, actual Doctors and Nurses describing how they were threatened and prevented from entering adverse reports into the system - which means that the real number of reports that SHOULD be in there is probably 10 to 100 TIMES the number that are in there, and

3. The numbers of excess deaths being reported in all countries is growing every day.

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone

So what are you trying to say? That because VAERS has limitations that Its all fake?

Lets say for instance someone punches you in the head and you die a week later from a brain hemorrhage cause by blunt force trauma... IS that not cause and effect?

If someone goes and gets the shot and has a massive heart attack and dies two days later.. Is that not cause and effect?
Or is it just a "coincidence"?

Jesus you people will literally ride the line as far as you can...

I absolutely don't believe adverse reactions are fake but fear mongering in the way it's done here on ATS is ridiculous.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Did you read this disclaimer on the VAERS site? (of course not)

That disclaimer has always been there, and does nothing to change the facts:

1. The number of serious adverse reports in just the first 2 years of these jabs is almost DOUBLE the number for ALL OTHER JABS COMBINED over the last 30 YEARS,

2. There are an extraordinary number of reports from real, actual Doctors and Nurses describing how they were threatened and prevented from entering adverse reports into the system - which means that the real number of reports that SHOULD be in there is probably 10 to 100 TIMES the number that are in there, and 3. The numbers of excess deaths being reported in all countries is growing every day.

It absolutely changes the facts when people don't know how to disseminate the data.

a reply to: quintessentone

Then why are you on a conspiracy website? kinda a oxymoron...