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originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone
Yet here you are!
Im here because i want to read something different then the MSM garbo spewed at me on a daily basis.. This whole thing has stunk from the very start.. This site is one of the few places that bits of decent info gets posted to.. Everywhere else is white washed with MSM bs.. Please stop adding your "opinion" and let the people who want to talk about it do so..
Maybe if you don't like the "doom porn" then don't click on it?
Vaccine adverse reaction information should not be in the doom porn or misinformation categories.
I think the reality has hit you hard.
Florida considers the mRNA products not safe and not effective, and potentially hazardous. And so many other scientists around. That's the reality of the situation.
In Florida they are not recommended for 18-39 year old males and soon they will not be recommended for anyone.
A few days ago Professor Levi from MIT has argued that all mRNA vaccines should be suspended as the products are dangerous and the most failing medical product in history.
You need to come to terms with reality.
So far all your sources are not credible.
Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus
This Surgeon General in Florida obviously does not know how to use VAERS data.
originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: Asmodeus3
Dude i know... Im just trying to throw some logic at these people but all i've got in response is " If i didn't see it with my own eyes it never happened" and "a death following the covid shot is not cause and effect its everything else but the shot" Yes im sure some people have died randomly after they get the shot.. but with these numbers and the time frame that its happened in.. I just don't get how they continue to say its anything but the shot with the record big pharma has...
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone
Yet here you are!
Im here because i want to read something different then the MSM garbo spewed at me on a daily basis.. This whole thing has stunk from the very start.. This site is one of the few places that bits of decent info gets posted to.. Everywhere else is white washed with MSM bs.. Please stop adding your "opinion" and let the people who want to talk about it do so..
Maybe if you don't like the "doom porn" then don't click on it?
Vaccine adverse reaction information should not be in the doom porn or misinformation categories.
I think the reality has hit you hard.
Florida considers the mRNA products not safe and not effective, and potentially hazardous. And so many other scientists around. That's the reality of the situation.
In Florida they are not recommended for 18-39 year old males and soon they will not be recommended for anyone.
A few days ago Professor Levi from MIT has argued that all mRNA vaccines should be suspended as the products are dangerous and the most failing medical product in history.
You need to come to terms with reality.
So far all your sources are not credible.
That is your own unsubstantiated opinion.
Speaking about credibility may I remind you
Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus
If you still believe you have credibility after the comments and claims you made in various threads then you need to become more realistic for once.
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: Asmodeus3
Dude i know... Im just trying to throw some logic at these people but all i've got in response is " If i didn't see it with my own eyes it never happened" and "a death following the covid shot is not cause and effect its everything else but the shot" Yes im sure some people have died randomly after they get the shot.. but with these numbers and the time frame that its happened in.. I just don't get how they continue to say its anything but the shot with the record big pharma has...
Yes, they are vaccine apologists and denialists of reality as well as defenders of the Pharmaceuticals. Nothing new or surprising.
Their arguments are in a turmoil. Not only they are making the most unbelievable claims that have been refuted everywhere but they now accuse Dr Ladapo and his team for incompetence.
They have no evidence obviously and their arguments are self refuted.
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: Asmodeus3
Dude i know... Im just trying to throw some logic at these people but all i've got in response is " If i didn't see it with my own eyes it never happened" and "a death following the covid shot is not cause and effect its everything else but the shot" Yes im sure some people have died randomly after they get the shot.. but with these numbers and the time frame that its happened in.. I just don't get how they continue to say its anything but the shot with the record big pharma has...
Yes, they are vaccine apologists and denialists of reality as well as defenders of the Pharmaceuticals. Nothing new or surprising.
Their arguments are in a turmoil. Not only they are making the most unbelievable claims that have been refuted everywhere but they now accuse Dr Ladapo and his team for incompetence.
They have no evidence obviously and their arguments are self refuted.
Your Ladapo source is not credible and I offered many sources from experts in the field and his university colleagues who will be reviewing his cherry picking nonsense.
In its new report, a task force of the University of Florida College of Medicine’s Faculty Council cites numerous deficiencies in the analysis Ladapo used to justify his vaccine recommendation. A summary said the work was “seriously flawed.” The report’s authors say Ladapo engaged in “careless, irregular, or contentious research practices.”
The faculty panel does not suggest Ladapo committed classic research misconduct, such as falsifying data or plagiarism. Instead, its report zeroes in on what it describes as methodological flaws in the analysis, which was presented to the public without any named authors — much less their credentials. The analysis relies on data that is not statistically significant, the task force concluded, and it fails to compare the risks of vaccination with the benefits, such as limiting covid-19 deaths and reducing hospitalizations. Finally, the analysis claims deaths are cardiac-related without sufficient evidence to support that, the task force stated. As a result, it adds, Ladapo’s guidance may have violated a section of UF’s research integrity policy that concerns “questionable research practices.”
Paul Offit, a professor of vaccinology and pediatrics at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, said that Ladapo has put people at risk through his vaccine guidance. The university needs to stand up and say that, Offit said.
“If people are making statements that are incorrect and with the potential to do harm,” Offit said, “then I think it’s incumbent upon the university to bring that person who speaks to task.”
originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone
lol you read a random yahoo link and all of a sudden this highly accredited man is just a quack and is just making things up.. just stop posting bro... you're making yourself look like a fool.
originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone
lol you read a random yahoo link and all of a sudden this highly accredited man is just a quack and is just making things up.. just stop posting bro... you're making yourself look like a fool.
originally posted by: quintessentone
More on your Lapado source.
In its new report, a task force of the University of Florida College of Medicine’s Faculty Council cites numerous deficiencies in the analysis Ladapo used to justify his vaccine recommendation. A summary said the work was “seriously flawed.” The report’s authors say Ladapo engaged in “careless, irregular, or contentious research practices.”
The faculty panel does not suggest Ladapo committed classic research misconduct, such as falsifying data or plagiarism. Instead, its report zeroes in on what it describes as methodological flaws in the analysis, which was presented to the public without any named authors — much less their credentials. The analysis relies on data that is not statistically significant, the task force concluded, and it fails to compare the risks of vaccination with the benefits, such as limiting covid-19 deaths and reducing hospitalizations. Finally, the analysis claims deaths are cardiac-related without sufficient evidence to support that, the task force stated. As a result, it adds, Ladapo’s guidance may have violated a section of UF’s research integrity policy that concerns “questionable research practices.”
Paul Offit, a professor of vaccinology and pediatrics at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, said that Ladapo has put people at risk through his vaccine guidance. The university needs to stand up and say that, Offit said.
“If people are making statements that are incorrect and with the potential to do harm,” Offit said, “then I think it’s incumbent upon the university to bring that person who speaks to task.”
www.washingtonpost.com...
originally posted by: LordAhriman
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
this is the reality
It is not. It never is, and never will be with you obsessive quacks.
Ahriman
Ahriman, the principle of evil in Persian mythology, was personified as Angra Mainya, “the destructive spirit,” who introduced death into the world.
He led the forces of evil against the host of Spenta Mainya, “the holy spirit,” who assisted Ahura Mazdah, “the wise lord” and final victor in the cosmic war. “In the beginning,” said Zoroaster (see Zoroastrianism), “the twin spirits were known as the one good and the other evil, in thought, word, and deed. Between them the wise chose wisely, not so the fools.
And when these spirits met they established life and death so that in the end the followers of deceit should meet with the worst existence, but the followers of truth with the wise lord.”
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: purzelbaum
Sent you a PM with links.
Will use what the other member said.
"I just don't get how you so blindly believe a yahoo link thats obviously just a hit piece on his character." .
They obviously trying to assassinate the character and credibility of this person just like they have done with many scientists unsuccessfully.
But all you have to do is consider who is trying to do such a thing.
Users online who claim that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus....
Or that the Spanish Flu has lasted for a decade and ended because of the vaccines...
All these are ludicrous claims lacking any substance. So you know what is that you are dealing with.
It apparently didn't go especially well. The Tallahassee Democrat newspaper reported yesterday that Ladapo's former supervisor at UCLA discouraged Florida officials from hiring the controversial doctor.
"In my opinion, the people of Florida would be better served by a Surgeon General who grounds his policy decisions and recommendations on the best scientific evidence rather than opinions," the unnamed supervisor at the University of California, Los Angeles, said in the Jan. 18 report prepared by a senior crime intelligence analyst for the Senate.
According to the local report, the UCLA supervisor added that Ladapo's weird theories "created a stressful environment for his research and clinical colleagues and subordinates," some of whom believed the doctor "violated the duty in the Hippocratic Oath to behave honestly and ethically."
In the Florida Department of Law Enforcement report, Ladapo's views were described as having led to "stress and acrimony among his coworkers and supervisors."
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
So your claim is that the Surgeon General in Florida does not know how to use the VAERS data...
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Asmodeus3
So your claim is that the Surgeon General in Florida does not know how to use the VAERS data...
VAERS is a passive reporting system that has been used incorrectly many times to push a narrative. I remember in the past with the OMG! 19,000 people have been killed by the vaccine posts many here pushed as people looked at the unverified data and today its statements like VAERS is underreporting 30x who is actually dying as this all evolves into more sensationalized directions with the old narratives becoming boring and stale.
In the case of the FL SG the only reason why you defend him is because you agree with his statements. This has been discussed a number of times that he just uses the word "analysis" as if that explains everything and what we are talking about is a study that is a non-peer reviewed with anonymous authors. There has been a good number of experts that have looked at his work and found many flaws in it, so yes, his analysis sucks.
In the case of whether 18- to 39-year-old males should get vacced I lean more in the direction of saying why should they if the current virus for them is hardly a simple light flu. Now, if some new variant comes along and starts to kick everyone's butts, I will need to reevaluate it all.
originally posted by: quintessentone
More criticism of your source.
It apparently didn't go especially well. The Tallahassee Democrat newspaper reported yesterday that Ladapo's former supervisor at UCLA discouraged Florida officials from hiring the controversial doctor.
"In my opinion, the people of Florida would be better served by a Surgeon General who grounds his policy decisions and recommendations on the best scientific evidence rather than opinions," the unnamed supervisor at the University of California, Los Angeles, said in the Jan. 18 report prepared by a senior crime intelligence analyst for the Senate.
According to the local report, the UCLA supervisor added that Ladapo's weird theories "created a stressful environment for his research and clinical colleagues and subordinates," some of whom believed the doctor "violated the duty in the Hippocratic Oath to behave honestly and ethically."
In the Florida Department of Law Enforcement report, Ladapo's views were described as having led to "stress and acrimony among his coworkers and supervisors."
www.msnbc.com...
There is no lack of criticism for this guy.