Florida Health Department: Health Alert on mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine Safety

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone

Yet here you are!

Im here because i want to read something different then the MSM garbo spewed at me on a daily basis.. This whole thing has stunk from the very start.. This site is one of the few places that bits of decent info gets posted to.. Everywhere else is white washed with MSM bs.. Please stop adding your "opinion" and let the people who want to talk about it do so..

Maybe if you don't like the "doom porn" then don't click on it?

Vaccine adverse reaction information should not be in the doom porn or misinformation categories.

I think the reality has hit you hard.
Florida considers the mRNA products not safe and not effective, and potentially hazardous. And so many other scientists around. That's the reality of the situation.

In Florida they are not recommended for 18-39 year old males and soon they will not be recommended for anyone.

A few days ago Professor Levi from MIT has argued that all mRNA vaccines should be suspended as the products are dangerous and the most failing medical product in history.

You need to come to terms with reality.

So far all your sources are not credible.

That is your own unsubstantiated opinion.

Speaking about credibility may I remind you

Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus

If you still believe you have credibility after the comments and claims you made in various threads then you need to become more realistic for once.

a reply to: quintessentone

This Surgeon General in Florida obviously does not know how to use VAERS data.

So your claim is that the Surgeon General in Florida does not know how to use the VAERS data...

But a random user online who argues that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus, knows well how to use VAERS data and knows better than Dr Ladapo and his team.

That is really interesting. Perhaps you should write to them and express your concerns. It will be good to also remind them the difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2.

I am still waiting to hear what part Dr Ladapo and his team have confused when dealing with VAERS

Just in case someone jumps in at the end of the thread...it is getting derailed into an argument. Go back to the beginning of the thread. Read it and look at the chart.

We all come here to this site for a reason and we bring our beliefs with us (not being arrogant, I'm new, but this is how we come here).

I am willing to admit that maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the vaccines were innocent and not given as part of a program or agenda or for profit to companies.

No matter what the reason for the almost and sometimes actually forced vaccinations, they were not harmless. And the extent of the harm is slowly coming out.

I also admit that I am one of the people who wonder if coronavirus was as "bad" as they say it was/is.

All that said....there is clearly reason for concern about the recent forced and coerced vaccination that was basically worldwide.

Florida Man isn't understood outside the US. And only trolls would use Florida Man to try to degrade or impeach valuable information about vaccine reactions and risks.

a reply to: quintessentone

Ladapo received a MD from Harvard Medical School and a PhD in Health Policy from Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences in 2008. Ladapo completed clinical training in internal medicine at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, a teaching hospital of Harvard Medical School

When a person with this type of back ground goes against the narrative does this not set off red flags for you?
Why would he risk his entire life if he did not in his expert opinion believe something was wrong?
Why would a state try and turn giving the vax into a misdemeanor if they did not have 100% proof that its causing harm?

I just don't get how you so blindly believe a yahoo link thats obviously just a hit piece on his character.

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Dude i know... Im just trying to throw some logic at these people but all i've got in response is " If i didn't see it with my own eyes it never happened" and "a death following the covid shot is not cause and effect its everything else but the shot" Yes im sure some people have died randomly after they get the shot.. but with these numbers and the time frame that its happened in.. I just don't get how they continue to say its anything but the shot with the record big pharma has...

Yes, they are vaccine apologists and denialists of reality as well as defenders of the Pharmaceuticals. Nothing new or surprising.

Their arguments are in a turmoil. Not only they are making the most unbelievable claims that have been refuted everywhere but they now accuse Dr Ladapo and his team for incompetence.

They have no evidence obviously and their arguments are self refuted.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone

Yet here you are!

Im here because i want to read something different then the MSM garbo spewed at me on a daily basis.. This whole thing has stunk from the very start.. This site is one of the few places that bits of decent info gets posted to.. Everywhere else is white washed with MSM bs.. Please stop adding your "opinion" and let the people who want to talk about it do so..

Maybe if you don't like the "doom porn" then don't click on it?

Vaccine adverse reaction information should not be in the doom porn or misinformation categories.

I think the reality has hit you hard.
Florida considers the mRNA products not safe and not effective, and potentially hazardous. And so many other scientists around. That's the reality of the situation.

In Florida they are not recommended for 18-39 year old males and soon they will not be recommended for anyone.

A few days ago Professor Levi from MIT has argued that all mRNA vaccines should be suspended as the products are dangerous and the most failing medical product in history.

You need to come to terms with reality.

So far all your sources are not credible.

That is your own unsubstantiated opinion.

Speaking about credibility may I remind you

Covid-19 came from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus

If you still believe you have credibility after the comments and claims you made in various threads then you need to become more realistic for once.

You refuse to accept facts and if experts say your sources misuse data and explain exactly how they misuse data then common sense prevails.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Dude i know... Im just trying to throw some logic at these people but all i've got in response is " If i didn't see it with my own eyes it never happened" and "a death following the covid shot is not cause and effect its everything else but the shot" Yes im sure some people have died randomly after they get the shot.. but with these numbers and the time frame that its happened in.. I just don't get how they continue to say its anything but the shot with the record big pharma has...

Yes, they are vaccine apologists and denialists of reality as well as defenders of the Pharmaceuticals. Nothing new or surprising.

Their arguments are in a turmoil. Not only they are making the most unbelievable claims that have been refuted everywhere but they now accuse Dr Ladapo and his team for incompetence.

They have no evidence obviously and their arguments are self refuted.

Your Ladapo source is not credible and I offered many sources from experts in the field and his university colleagues who will be reviewing his cherry picking nonsense.

a reply to: quintessentone

lol you read a random yahoo link and all of a sudden this highly accredited man is just a quack and is just making things up.. just stop posting bro... you're making yourself look like a fool.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Dude i know... Im just trying to throw some logic at these people but all i've got in response is " If i didn't see it with my own eyes it never happened" and "a death following the covid shot is not cause and effect its everything else but the shot" Yes im sure some people have died randomly after they get the shot.. but with these numbers and the time frame that its happened in.. I just don't get how they continue to say its anything but the shot with the record big pharma has...

Yes, they are vaccine apologists and denialists of reality as well as defenders of the Pharmaceuticals. Nothing new or surprising.

Their arguments are in a turmoil. Not only they are making the most unbelievable claims that have been refuted everywhere but they now accuse Dr Ladapo and his team for incompetence.

They have no evidence obviously and their arguments are self refuted.

Your Ladapo source is not credible and I offered many sources from experts in the field and his university colleagues who will be reviewing his cherry picking nonsense.

That only in your imagination and nowhere else.
You seem to get very concerned with what is going on in both Florida and Idaho.

One state is trying to ban on he mRNA products the other is trying to criminalise their administration.

More on your Lapado source.

In its new report, a task force of the University of Florida College of Medicine’s Faculty Council cites numerous deficiencies in the analysis Ladapo used to justify his vaccine recommendation. A summary said the work was “seriously flawed.” The report’s authors say Ladapo engaged in “careless, irregular, or contentious research practices.”

The faculty panel does not suggest Ladapo committed classic research misconduct, such as falsifying data or plagiarism. Instead, its report zeroes in on what it describes as methodological flaws in the analysis, which was presented to the public without any named authors — much less their credentials. The analysis relies on data that is not statistically significant, the task force concluded, and it fails to compare the risks of vaccination with the benefits, such as limiting covid-19 deaths and reducing hospitalizations. Finally, the analysis claims deaths are cardiac-related without sufficient evidence to support that, the task force stated. As a result, it adds, Ladapo’s guidance may have violated a section of UF’s research integrity policy that concerns “questionable research practices.”

Paul Offit, a professor of vaccinology and pediatrics at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, said that Ladapo has put people at risk through his vaccine guidance. The university needs to stand up and say that, Offit said.

“If people are making statements that are incorrect and with the potential to do harm,” Offit said, “then I think it’s incumbent upon the university to bring that person who speaks to task.”

www.washingtonpost.com...

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone

lol you read a random yahoo link and all of a sudden this highly accredited man is just a quack and is just making things up.. just stop posting bro... you're making yourself look like a fool.

Yes the Yahoo source has proven that Ladapo is a quack according to the member...

Take a look at your PMs. I sent you a message with links.

originally posted by: tacoman101
a reply to: quintessentone

lol you read a random yahoo link and all of a sudden this highly accredited man is just a quack and is just making things up.. just stop posting bro... you're making yourself look like a fool.

LOL won't work with me.

originally posted by: quintessentone
More on your Lapado source.

In its new report, a task force of the University of Florida College of Medicine’s Faculty Council cites numerous deficiencies in the analysis Ladapo used to justify his vaccine recommendation. A summary said the work was “seriously flawed.” The report’s authors say Ladapo engaged in “careless, irregular, or contentious research practices.”

The faculty panel does not suggest Ladapo committed classic research misconduct, such as falsifying data or plagiarism. Instead, its report zeroes in on what it describes as methodological flaws in the analysis, which was presented to the public without any named authors — much less their credentials. The analysis relies on data that is not statistically significant, the task force concluded, and it fails to compare the risks of vaccination with the benefits, such as limiting covid-19 deaths and reducing hospitalizations. Finally, the analysis claims deaths are cardiac-related without sufficient evidence to support that, the task force stated. As a result, it adds, Ladapo’s guidance may have violated a section of UF’s research integrity policy that concerns “questionable research practices.”

Paul Offit, a professor of vaccinology and pediatrics at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, said that Ladapo has put people at risk through his vaccine guidance. The university needs to stand up and say that, Offit said.

“If people are making statements that are incorrect and with the potential to do harm,” Offit said, “then I think it’s incumbent upon the university to bring that person who speaks to task.”

www.washingtonpost.com...

Their own unsubstantiated claims without any evidence to support them. Finding links from the internet isn't the best possible way to support your claims by arguing on the basis of opinions by others.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
this is the reality

It is not. It never is, and never will be with you obsessive quacks.

So you think you live in reality? I think not, and your Avatar, more or less, proves it.

www.themystica.com...

Ahriman
Ahriman, the principle of evil in Persian mythology, was personified as Angra Mainya, “the destructive spirit,” who introduced death into the world.

He led the forces of evil against the host of Spenta Mainya, “the holy spirit,” who assisted Ahura Mazdah, “the wise lord” and final victor in the cosmic war. “In the beginning,” said Zoroaster (see Zoroastrianism), “the twin spirits were known as the one good and the other evil, in thought, word, and deed. Between them the wise chose wisely, not so the fools.

And when these spirits met they established life and death so that in the end the followers of deceit should meet with the worst existence, but the followers of truth with the wise lord.”

You live in a fantasy world.

a reply to: purzelbaum

Sent you a PM with links.

Will use what the other member said.

"I just don't get how you so blindly believe a yahoo link thats obviously just a hit piece on his character." .

They obviously trying to assassinate the character and credibility of this person just like they have done with many scientists unsuccessfully.
But all you have to do is consider who is trying to do such a thing.

Users online who claim that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus....

Or that the Spanish Flu has lasted for a decade and ended because of the vaccines...

All these are ludicrous claims lacking any substance. So you know what is that you are dealing with.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: purzelbaum

Sent you a PM with links.

Will use what the other member said.

"I just don't get how you so blindly believe a yahoo link thats obviously just a hit piece on his character." .

They obviously trying to assassinate the character and credibility of this person just like they have done with many scientists unsuccessfully.
But all you have to do is consider who is trying to do such a thing.

Users online who claim that Covid-19 has come from SARS-CoV-2, both being virus....

Or that the Spanish Flu has lasted for a decade and ended because of the vaccines...

All these are ludicrous claims lacking any substance. So you know what is that you are dealing with.

There are many different links to many different experts in the field and the professor's colleagues at the university, it's not the sources that matter it's what these experts and those who expect integrity within their fields who are critcizing him.

More criticism of your source.

It apparently didn't go especially well. The Tallahassee Democrat newspaper reported yesterday that Ladapo's former supervisor at UCLA discouraged Florida officials from hiring the controversial doctor.

"In my opinion, the people of Florida would be better served by a Surgeon General who grounds his policy decisions and recommendations on the best scientific evidence rather than opinions," the unnamed supervisor at the University of California, Los Angeles, said in the Jan. 18 report prepared by a senior crime intelligence analyst for the Senate.

According to the local report, the UCLA supervisor added that Ladapo's weird theories "created a stressful environment for his research and clinical colleagues and subordinates," some of whom believed the doctor "violated the duty in the Hippocratic Oath to behave honestly and ethically."

In the Florida Department of Law Enforcement report, Ladapo's views were described as having led to "stress and acrimony among his coworkers and supervisors."

www.msnbc.com...

There is no lack of criticism for this guy.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

So your claim is that the Surgeon General in Florida does not know how to use the VAERS data...

VAERS is a passive reporting system that has been used incorrectly many times to push a narrative. I remember in the past with the OMG! 19,000 people have been killed by the vaccine posts many here pushed as people looked at the unverified data and today its statements like VAERS is underreporting 30x who is actually dying as this all evolves into more sensationalized directions with the old narratives becoming boring and stale.

In the case of the FL SG the only reason why you defend him is because you agree with his statements. This has been discussed a number of times that he just uses the word "analysis" as if that explains everything and what we are talking about is a study that is a non-peer reviewed with anonymous authors. There has been a good number of experts that have looked at his work and found many flaws in it, so yes, his analysis sucks.

In the case of whether 18- to 39-year-old males should get vacced I lean more in the direction of saying why should they if the current virus for them is hardly a simple light flu. Now, if some new variant comes along and starts to kick everyone's butts, I will need to reevaluate it all.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

So your claim is that the Surgeon General in Florida does not know how to use the VAERS data...

VAERS is a passive reporting system that has been used incorrectly many times to push a narrative. I remember in the past with the OMG! 19,000 people have been killed by the vaccine posts many here pushed as people looked at the unverified data and today its statements like VAERS is underreporting 30x who is actually dying as this all evolves into more sensationalized directions with the old narratives becoming boring and stale.

In the case of the FL SG the only reason why you defend him is because you agree with his statements. This has been discussed a number of times that he just uses the word "analysis" as if that explains everything and what we are talking about is a study that is a non-peer reviewed with anonymous authors. There has been a good number of experts that have looked at his work and found many flaws in it, so yes, his analysis sucks.

In the case of whether 18- to 39-year-old males should get vacced I lean more in the direction of saying why should they if the current virus for them is hardly a simple light flu. Now, if some new variant comes along and starts to kick everyone's butts, I will need to reevaluate it all.

Yes we know what VAERS is. But there is no evidence it is now misused to propagate an agenda. If anything there is massive underreporting when it comes to vaccine injuries.

There is very strong correlation between the excess deaths (non Covid) the lockdowns and the rolling of these products.

You are mistaken about Dr Ladapo. He is not acting on his own accord and it is the Department of Health in Florida has taken these decisions. There is no evidence either that their data is flawed or is lacking good analysis.

What is flawed is the absurd vaccine campaign.

Florida is actively trying to ban these products and Idaho is trying to make their administration illegal.

originally posted by: quintessentone
More criticism of your source.

It apparently didn't go especially well. The Tallahassee Democrat newspaper reported yesterday that Ladapo's former supervisor at UCLA discouraged Florida officials from hiring the controversial doctor.

"In my opinion, the people of Florida would be better served by a Surgeon General who grounds his policy decisions and recommendations on the best scientific evidence rather than opinions," the unnamed supervisor at the University of California, Los Angeles, said in the Jan. 18 report prepared by a senior crime intelligence analyst for the Senate.

According to the local report, the UCLA supervisor added that Ladapo's weird theories "created a stressful environment for his research and clinical colleagues and subordinates," some of whom believed the doctor "violated the duty in the Hippocratic Oath to behave honestly and ethically."

In the Florida Department of Law Enforcement report, Ladapo's views were described as having led to "stress and acrimony among his coworkers and supervisors."

www.msnbc.com...

There is no lack of criticism for this guy.

Just criticism with plenty of politics and unsubstantiated opinions. No much evidence provided that this guy his team are incompetent and/or quacks. Your links don't show anything.