HUGE victory for Ukraine, Lyman captured

a reply to: TritonTaranis

Ukraine acquired 730,000 recruits/troops that have been training for near on 6/7 months all across NATO training camps

Ironical much the same NATO countries in EuroZone now facing

-High Rising Inflation, which is not coming back down.
-Rising costs of living, rise of costs in Food Prices due to the sanctions agaisnt Russia and preventing farmers of using Russian made fertilizer exports for their farming seasons.

I suppose you can call that a win in a way.

As for NATO traning.

NATO countries had being training Afgan Army and its military for the past 20 years and they still couldn't bunch of taliban despite NATO countries training the local military and local police forces.



That Ukraine acquired 730,000 recruits seems a bit of a PR. But whatever seeing how you believe whatever you are believing when it comes to the issue of Ukraine.

When it comes to issue of Ukraine you know nothing and considering these childish memes are proven of that.

a reply to: TritonTaranis

You are forgetting.

Russia has fought agaisnt chechnya.
Lost the first war and won the Second Chechen war.

Russia has so far refused to send in Chechen fighters onto the Ukrainian conflict.
That is a difference.

But i dont expect any logical posts coming from you.

a reply to: vNex92

a reply to: TritonTaranis

But what we do know is Russia is sending its own troops straight to the front without ANY TRAINING at all?

Russia has only thus far only allowed the militia separatists to do the fighting in those areas Lyman is not an exception. Russia has not even send yet the harden battle vets from the Syrian conflict.

a reply to: tamusan
More childish memes ok..

a reply to: tamusan

2. Draft Age Males.

And Ukraine doesn't?
They at least if anything have their blackwater mercenaries to fight along their side. At least former blackwater.

a reply to: vNex92

I don't want to get ahead of the news with actual info. I will write you letters when they send you to the front.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: putnam6

Indeed as study of war points Russian mobilization still needs another month or so..
Unlike Ukraine. Russia is careful on their loses.


Its a given why Ukraine has never released any actual losses to their public in Kiev or Western Ukraine i would assume they want to avoid likely protests.

I don't know if I'd classify Russia as being careful with their losses. Personally think both sides are burning through troops at a huge rate. The only difference Russia has a larger population to pull from for troops than Ukraine.

It's obvious that Zelenskyy needs NATO participation and it's just as obvious Russia doesn't want that at all. I don't think either country can hold Luhansk without the other making it extremely difficult for the other country trying to hold it.

a reply to: TritonTaranis

You made a whole thread about Ukraine doing a national mobilization

The Ukrainian national mobilization which also mobilized prisoners from Jails.. But that's fine..

a reply to: putnam6

's obvious that Zelenskyy needs NATO participation

Of course because NATO/US are the ones behind the operational if not planning for most of the battles that had being taking place that should be obvious.

The NATO side doesn't Russia just defeated.
They want to see it break up.

Which is why Russia is serious about this conflict and why they viewed NATO as a threat.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: putnam6
a reply to: TritonTaranis

For perspective here is the Lyman bulge as it was

and here is what remains to be recaptured and held btw Lyman bulge is that tiny little pink blip above Kramatorsk

It's fine if everybody wants them to join NATO and throw billions at them and even send our troops etc. however let's not act like this isn't more than a victory in a specific local area.

No Perspective there mate

You playing the wrong game

Look at the other maps, the important critical ones

Road/Rail

Means Russia only has one route into Kherson & Crimean

Means DNR & LNR regions only have two

Gonna be easy work for the satellites and ATACM to deal server damage to Russian Logistics, you cant fight without it and the world is watching every inch of it 24/7

No need to get sensitive, comrade, just trying to see your perspective and learn here

So with this huge victory, we can assume what exactly? How soon till Russia loses the Luhansk oblast totally and more importantly can Ukraine hold it if Russia pulled out completely and regrouped?

If Russia can hold on for more than a month or 2 and/or Ukraine can't hold the area or suppress Russian separatists located there, is it really a huge victory?

on top of finding it difficult to find anywhere else claiming encircling Lyman is restricting supply routes anywhere except locally. FWIW here is the Study of War key points I'll highlight the take on the Lyman bulge. No mention of it being so crucial and huge.

www.understandingwar.org...

Key Takeaways

Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the illegal Russian annexation of four Ukrainian territories on September 30 without clearly defining the borders of those claimed territories.
Putin announced that Russia’s usual autumn conscription cycle will start a month late on November 1, likely because Russia’s partial mobilization of Russian men is taxing the bureaucracy of the Russian military commissariats that would usually oversee the semi-annual conscription cycle.
Russian officials could re-mobilize last year’s conscripts when their terms expire on October 1.
Ukrainian forces will likely capture or encircle Lyman within the next 72 hours.
Ukrainian military officials maintained operational silence regarding Ukrainian ground maneuvers in Kherson Oblast but stated that Ukrainian forces continued to force Russian troops into defending their positions.
Russian troops continued ground assaults in Donetsk Oblast.
Russian authorities continued efforts to coerce Russian participation in mobilization efforts, but will likely struggle to coerce participation as Russians continue to flee Russia for border states who welcome them.
Russian officials are accepting bribes and engaging in other preferential treatment to prevent or ease the economic burden of mobilization on the wealthy.
Russian authorities are continuing to deploy mobilized personnel to Ukraine without adequate training or equipment, and personnel are unlikely to be able to afford to provide their own supplies.
Russian forces conducted a missile strike on a Ukrainian humanitarian convoy and attempted to blame the Ukrainian government.

Firstly i apologize if that is how you took it, please accept my apology, no offence was ever meant

I think i come across the wrong way a lot on here when im being sarcastic and just bantering, at least thats how i see it... which is why i'll apologize... obviously its hard to put expression in text ? if it was video or audible perhaps you would have seen it

People take it as an insult but really im just laughing my arse of 90% of the time while responding because claims are so unbelievably stupid. especially to the Pro Russian Imperialists, lets be honest since the Kyiv assult theyve been claiming all sorts of stupid stuff yet here we are, in a position just like we told them, YOU GETTING SPANKED - THE END, or the Far left tankies & MAGA christian extremists, there really is no point in trying to be reasonable with entrenched ideologues and extremists they're gone forever and irretrievable by anything you put in-front of them, therefore banter is the best course of action, the mental gymnastics is very impressive though

Anyway, dont take it to heart, next time read my post with a little bit of sarcasm and humor, again completely apolgise to you bud sorry

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe
A picture is worth a thousand words, a meme, typically, is a picture with words. Something to think about. Have to have a good head on your shoulders and an above room temperature IQ to understand the bulk of them.

We'll never know exactly what's going on over there. When it's over we'll have a better idea of what went on, though. We're fed soo much bull scheisse from both sides that I take everything I hear/read with a grain of salt. I would recommend everyone else do the same. O

We (my family and I) have a family friend in Eastern Ukraine, she's happy as can be at the moment and has been for months. Shes sharing selfies, memes and just regular run of the mill posts that 20-somethings post on social media. You wouldn't know she's in a "war" zone in Ukraine if you didn't know her.

Note: I put the word "War" in parentheses because not all Nations consider this as a war but as military operations.

a reply to: vNex92

Russia has so far refused to send in Chechen fighters onto the Ukrainian conflict. That is a difference.

maybe regular chechen troops but he using the hell out of Kadyrovites you know the chechen mercs i should say terrorists. they've been fighting there a while.

there have been reports of them being there back at the begaining of april, and the leader himself says that they deployed 1000 in mid Mar,

How many of the Chechen forces are in Ukraine?
Kadyrov himself said in mid-March around 1,000 of his men were there. There is no way to verify the figure.

Kadyrov's men: a brutal force serving Putin in Ukraine

The Russian Defense Ministry does not disclose the exact number of the Kadyrovites in Ukraine. At the start of the invasion, Kadyrov, Putin’s “foot soldier” as he often describes himself, declared that more than 70,000 Chechen “volunteers” were ready to fulfill the order of Russia’s Supreme Commander-in-Chief to cleanse Ukraine of “Bandera scum, Nazis and Shaitans” (devil). On February 26, on the main square of the region’s capital, Grozny, he blessed 12,000 Chechen soldiers for “holy jihad” in Ukraine. However, in reality, only about 2,000 Chechen military personnel of the Akhmad Kadyrov Special Motorized Regiment of Russia’s National Guard, ‎Rosgvardia’s 249th Separate Special Motorized Battalion Yug (“South”‎), and the Defense Ministry’s Special Battalion Vostok (“East”) are currently operating on the frontline in Ukraine, rotating periodically.

Chechen Kadyrov’s ‘Holy Jihad’ in Ukraine and Anti-Americanism

a reply to: vNex92

Russia has not even send yet the harden battle vets from the Syrian conflict.

Russia sent troops from Syria to Ukraine 5 months ago, and Hezbollah have taken over Russian bases that have been abandoned.

Come on, i thought you knew what was going on ?

The game is well and truly up for Putin.

Days ago I read that the estimated numbers UA was throwing at Liman were around 15K which was being held by 2K. There still must have been some failures by RU command for it to fall because they see those numbers regularly in the Kherson region and are handling it.

As for the mobilization they are still going through readiness drills and are being staged. Few if any have yet to enter Ukraine.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: putnam6

's obvious that Zelenskyy needs NATO participation

Of course because NATO/US are the ones behind the operational if not planning for most of the battles that had being taking place that should be obvious.

The NATO side doesn't Russia just defeated.
They want to see it break up.

Which is why Russia is serious about this conflict and why they viewed NATO as a threat.

Why does it feel like I'm in between Zelenskyy and Putin here? but it's why I am asking questions though

If Russia was serious about this conflict why did it line up unproven conscripts and throw them in initially? They seriously underestimated Ukraine's resolve and the amount of support they would get too, this isn't the only mistake they made. While I'm not pushing for regime change like others are, I don't want the destabilization it would cause, the only reason it's on the table at all is because of the poor performance of the Russian military, which makes it seem achievable to some

I think it's highly unlikely, if it happens it will be completely for internal reasons, no matter how paranoid the Ruskies are.

There could be completely unknown consequences if Putin was toppled now. That said I can easily see there is no way there will be peace in the region any time soon, whoever gets control will be hampered and pestered by the other, no matter how many billions is sent there

a reply to: putnam6

Good questions.

Maybe it’s to wear down and downsize the number of uke troops? Use up their ammo supplies on cannon fodder? Who’s going to backfill lost uke soldiers?

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: putnam6

's obvious that Zelenskyy needs NATO participation

Of course because NATO/US are the ones behind the operational if not planning for most of the battles that had being taking place that should be obvious.

The NATO side doesn't Russia just defeated.
They want to see it break up.

Which is why Russia is serious about this conflict and why they viewed NATO as a threat.

Only russia thinks NATO wants russia to 'break up'.

That kind of instability is the 2nd to last thing we want, with nuke hurling being the last.

But thanks for reminding us of russia's 24x7 propaganda.

a reply to: vNex92

The difference is will to fight. The Afghanis didn't have it, the Ukrainians do. As important as training is, will to fight is as important for any group to win. The Afghanis decided collectively they didn't really want to fight for the country that was left to them, they were ok with whatever country the Taliban decided Afghanistan would be. The Ukrainians have said they are willing to fight for their land and their right to self determination.

And lol at the they haven't sent their best. It always brings a smile when I hear that argument.

a reply to: putnam6


"If Russia was serious about this conflict why did it line up unproven conscripts"


They didn't, except in absurd russian propaganda.