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HUGE victory for Ukraine, Lyman captured

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posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: TritonTaranis

Apparently a lot of Russian men agree with you, that's why they're heading for other countries. They knew the word 'partial' meant nothing at all.

Cheers



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: TritonTaranis

For perspective here is the Lyman bulge as it was



and here is what remains to be recaptured and held btw Lyman bulge is that tiny little pink blip above Kramatorsk



It's fine if everybody wants them to join NATO and throw billions at them and even send our troops etc. however let's not act like this isn't more than a victory in a specific local area.



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:05 PM
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a reply to: putnam6

In terms of area, yes, it is not that big.

But some terrain is more key than others in war.

Lyman was a key part of the Russian logistical effort for their troops in Donbas. There could easily be follow-on effects. Time will tell.

Cheers



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:05 PM
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a reply to: putnam6

Financial allies are great, and are the reason that they’re still fighting. But when you’re massively outnumbered, even when your opponent is having the problems we’re seeing, you want more than “here are some more weapons” and at best a few months training on them. A well trained unit with HIMARS, that’s sat down and really figured out what it can do would do a lot more damage than we’ve seen so far.
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posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: Nexttimemaybe




posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: TritonTaranis

More Russian Nazi's kicked out of Ukraine.

Nice job.



Hopefully not kicked out, but completely obliterated spaghetti in the trees

Lots of Spetznaz & Kadyrov where holding Lymen

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posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:14 PM
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You'd think the Russian military would reinforce and defend the area while it was being attacked.

Close air support, artillery? What kind of s# show is this 😂



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: putnam6

Financial allies are great, and are the reason that they’re still fighting. But when you’re massively outnumbered, even when your opponent is having the problems we’re seeing, you want more than “here are some more weapons” and at best a few months training on them. A well trained unit with HIMARS, that’s sat down and really figured out what it can do would do a lot more damage than we’ve seen so far.


So you are ready to send NATO troops in? American troops into Ukraine?

because absent the above Ukraine being in NATO doesn't mean bupkis, unless it gets at least air support, which puts Americans in harm's way and could make Putin even more desperate.


(post by TritonTaranis removed for political trolling and baiting)

posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: Thrumbo
You'd think the Russian military would reinforce and defend the area while it was being attacked.

Close air support, artillery? What kind of s# show is this 😂



They cant, HIMARS took it all out before the offensive, and during anything they missed, their main problem is logistics, and its about to get even worst, Lyman was the critical point for rail & road replenishment
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posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: TritonTaranis

Doesn't each victory by Ukraine on the battlefield, make it more likely Russia will use a nuclear weapon to end the war, like the United States did in Japan?



Not really.
There are lines in the sand and using weapons of mass destruction definitely crosses a line. Fallout from a nuclear weapon would rain down on other countries.
Irradiating half of Europe would not end the war in Ukraine.


There are several trains of thought being passed around.

So you do not believe Putin will resort to using a nuclear weapon, even if his defeat is at hand? That is the camp you are in?



I believe Putin might very well resort to using a nuke in anger.


But, consider his options.

He could use either a strategic nuke (a "city killer"), or a tactical nuke. If he detonate a strategic nuke anywhere, in or even near Ukraine, even if over open water, with no resulting casualties, the world-wide response to such audacity would be swift and damning. Not even Putin's current allies could afford the risk of a partner who "plays" with such dangerous weapons.

And "playing" it would be, since such a demonstration would have resulted in no casualties, no diminishment of opposing forces or their resources, and therefore, no strategic Gain for Russia; in fact Russia's standing in the world as a powerful nation to be respected, would be significantly diminished.

A big "boom" that accomplishes nothing will not frighten Ukraine, or its supporters.


He could, instead resort to a smaller tactical nuke, of course, but much the same conditions exist, even then.

Use it to demonstrate his power, but avoid damage and injuries, and the world, including his allies, condemns him while he, and Russia gain nothing, and lose any moral argument.

Use it against Ukrainians, and he faces retaliation, in addition to all the above.


And let's also consider another factor with regards to that possible retaliation.


Over the past months, the entire world has had an opportunity to see how, what Russia considered a force adequate to subjugate a non-NATO opponent. It proved inadequate. The Russian military, over the course of more than half a year, then had an ongoing opportunity to revise and adapt its strategy to the existing battlefield conditions.

They did not (or could not).

And still have not.


Now, it could be argued that we haven't yet seen Russia's "best".

But, if after all this time, all these setbacks, Russia hasn't bothered to "up its military game", even just to the next level (if a next level even exists), then we have to wonder if what we've seen is all they got. And it ain't all that.

Is Putin crazy enough to launch a nuke?

Yes. It might be the only option he's got left.

And it will be the last card he ever plays.
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posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: putnam6

In terms of area, yes, it is not that big.

But some terrain is more key than others in war.

Lyman was a key part of the Russian logistical effort for their troops in Donbas. There could easily be follow-on effects. Time will tell.

Cheers


FWIW just discussing this as we are seeing war drums being beating here and in Europe. I'm not sold either way though this was posted as a huge victory, the untrained novice in me thinks those scattered pockets of partisan fighting in Luhansk are as important as the Lyman bulge it would seem those choke points probably made the bulge vulnerable.



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: Mantiss2021

What about all of these hypersonic and thermobaric weapons we keep hearing about, why is everyone going straight to the nuke option when he hasn’t even used a heavy hitter yet?

But yes I get your point, and I agree, where is all of the heavy iron RU supposedly has?



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

Doesn't each victory by Ukraine on the battlefield, make it more likely Russia will use a nuclear weapon to end the war, like the United States did in Japan?



No, it makes it more likely Putin is removed...



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: TritonTaranis

Doesn't each victory by Ukraine on the battlefield, make it more likely Russia will use a nuclear weapon to end the war, like the United States did in Japan?



Not really.
There are lines in the sand and using weapons of mass destruction definitely crosses a line. Fallout from a nuclear weapon would rain down on other countries.
Irradiating half of Europe would not end the war in Ukraine.


There are several trains of thought being passed around.

So you do not believe Putin will resort to using a nuclear weapon, even if his defeat is at hand? That is the camp you are in?


I think it comes down to his ability to accept this defeat or his preference to end Russia as the alternative.



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: 38181

What about all of these hypersonic and thermobaric weapons we keep hearing about, why is everyone going straight to the nuke option when he hasn’t even used a heavy hitter yet?

But yes I get your point, and I agree, where is all of the heavy iron RU supposedly has?


The issue is they don't have it... If they did they would have their best of the best fighting this war, and they are using 1970s tanks...
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posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: putnam6

Ukraine is doing fine on their own. I’m simply pointing out why they’re looking for allies beyond sending them weapons.



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: 38181

Like the Su-57, they’re still in very limited numbers. Production takes awhile. There’s also a huge difference between operational, and effective, which the average person doesn’t realize.
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posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

even if his defeat is at hand?


Define defeat? Worst case scenario for Russia is they gain nothing and also lose Crimea back to Ukraine. There isn't a scenario where Russia's homeland is actually invaded, so when you say defeat to the point nukes are used what are you suggesting it would be?



posted on Oct, 1 2022 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: putnam6
a reply to: TritonTaranis

For perspective here is the Lyman bulge as it was



and here is what remains to be recaptured and held btw Lyman bulge is that tiny little pink blip above Kramatorsk



It's fine if everybody wants them to join NATO and throw billions at them and even send our troops etc. however let's not act like this isn't more than a victory in a specific local area.






No Perspective there mate

You playing the wrong game

Look at the other maps, the important critical ones

Road/Rail



Means Russia only has one route into Kherson & Crimean

Means DNR & LNR regions only have two

Gonna be easy work for the satellites and ATACM to deal server damage to Russian Logistics, you cant fight without it and the world is watching every inch of it 24/7



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