Dr. Paul Marik, 2nd Most Published Doctor In The World, Fired For Questioning Narrative

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: Kurokage

good link shows for the last 400-500 years the experts stop believing in a flat earth.

Belief in a flat Earth among educated Europeans was almost nonexistent from the Late Middle Ages onward,

Let's pretend is doesn't mean that for thousands of years before then they believed in the flat earth.

Just like the Flat earthers of old your science of mRNA safety is fool proof - But without any real proof it's all guess work.

Anyone seen the results of the Sars-cov-2 challenge trials yet?

Just like the "new" flat-earthers, there complete misunderstanding of science and refusal to except known facts proves how completely worong they are, just like the anti-vaxers crowd.

a reply to: macaronicaesar

he knows exactly what he’s talking about. You fools won’t ever admit the vaccine kills and sucks, but it does.

And again, just making completely false statements without any hard evidence. Wilst incontinence suffering fools applaud..

Here are the findings from the Virginia case against Dr Marik in 2020.

Virginia.Gov Notices

Here is the global study that quashed his vitamin C treatment for sepsis

Study quashes controversial vitamin C treatment for sepsis with global trial

The global burden of sepsis is estimated at up to 19 million cases annually killing 5 million mainly in low income countries. The infection affects 1.7 million Americans a year and kills more than 250,000, making it one of the top 10 causes of death. In Australia more than 5,000 die from sepsis each year and it contributes to up to a half of all hospital deaths.

A paper published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association by Monash researchers comprehensively quashes the idea that the vitamin C-based cocktail has any positive impact on patients with sepsis.

Sepsis is the body's overreaction to a severe infection, leading to multiple organ failure and, frequently, death.

The guy is a complete quack.

a reply to: Kurokage

So the doctor is a quack because he prescribe pain medication to someone in pain. Be careful what you wish for, you just might find it.

As for Vit C, it has never been realistically claimed that it is the one drug that will cure every infection, like sepsis. It has been demonstrated many times that there is a benefit with some infections. Intravenous works a lot better than oral consumption. With a very safe risk / benifit profile it would be my pick over something like Remdesiver.

But each to their own, if you prefer to sign up to some new experimental treatment, go fo it. I will pass.

a reply to: Kurokage

Perhaps you need to look for more information from a much larger study.

Results: Six randomized controlled trials (RCTs) and seven observational studies enrolling 1,559 patients were included (762 were treated with HAT, and 797 were treated with hydrocortisone alone, standard care or placebo). HAT therapy was associated with significant reductions in duration of vasopressor use (mean differences [MD], -14.68, [95% CI, -24.28 to -5.08], P = 0.003) in RCTs, but not in observational studies (MD, 11.21 [95% CI, -44.93 to 67.35], P = 0.70). HAT therapy was associated with less organ dysfunction at 72 h both in RCTs (MD, -0.86 [95% CI, -1.32 to -0.40], P < 0.001) and observational studies (MD, -2.65 [95% CI, -5.29 to -0.01], P = 0.05). HAT therapy was associated with lower hospital mortality and higher PCT clearance in observational studies. Similar results for the primary outcome were found in the sensitivity analysis. TSA results suggested more trials to reach the required information size.

Conclusion: Among patients with sepsis and septic shock, a combination therapy of hydrocortisone, ascorbic acid, and thiamine, compared with placebo, could reduce the duration of vasopressor use and SOFA scores during the first 72 h.

Effect of Combined Hydrocortisone, Ascorbic Acid and Thiamine for Patients with Sepsis and Septic Shock: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis

Benefits of combination therapy of hydrocortisone, ascorbic acid and thiamine in sepsis and septic shock: A systematic review


Unlike the recent trend of "Settled Science can not be questioned" the trials are ongoing and have not been resolved.

You will need you to refute alot more of his work before calling him a quack because of 1 small trial.

a reply to: puzzled2

Hahahah, like they can be bothered to find the truth, its much easier to find 1 thing that suits them and pretend its the gospel. Because its about THEM, not about information or anyone else or truth. Its all ME, ME, ME look at ME, IM right! look at me!!!!!

thanks for that.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

I don't see where in the article it is mentioned that Dr. Marik was fired. I do see accounts of him resigning after suspension, which is an entirely different scenario than being fired. This is a problem because the title of this thread states that he was fired. If someone could please cite a source of statement of this doctor getting fired, that would be much appreciated.

As it stands, this whole thread is sensationalism click-bait devolving quickly into ad hominem as per usual.

a reply to: puzzled2

According to Professor Bellomo, the study provides high quality evidence that, in patients with septic shock, the combination of high dose intravenous vitamin C, thiamine and hydrocortisone is not superior to usual care with hydrocortisone alone:

He also manipulated his results as posted earlier....

a reply to: Kurokage

The guy is a complete quack.

As is every Doctor who speaks up apparently ?

Dr.Robert Malone ' The founder/inventor of MRNA technology ' speaks out against the vaccine and questions the approach of the NIH and CDC concerning the Vaccine and Covid-19 , and he is labeled a Quack.

Dr. Paul Marik a highly published highly respected Doctor speaks up and is labeled a quack ? , why because a Vitamin C study didn't go his way ? Doctors experiment , Doctors Theorize , Doctors take risk it's how we advance forward but yes lets label him a nut job for doing his Job.

Perhaps you remember Dr. Anthony Fauci ? I'm sure you've heard of him yes ? Do you recall the AZT studies back in the 80's , it was an AIDS medication that he and the NIH pushed heavily on AIDS patients and interestingly enough in turns out AZT was basically poison .

www.abovetopsecret.com...

^^ maybe that link will enlighten you , So explain to me exactly how Dr.Paul Marik is a quack but Dr.Anthony Fauci is not a quack please enlighten me I'm begging you ENLIGHTEN ME

a reply to: kwakakev

I don't want to live in some echo chamber or bubble where everyone kisses each others butt. In looking for the truth of how and why our reality is the way it is does suck at times. If there is some path out of this mess we need to know where we are and where we want to go.

your not wrong and I love the Variety of opinions on ATS it makes this place truly unique and yes 'chr0' puts in a lot of work on post I respect that .

but When your wrong and you know your wrong , I respect the ability to bend the knee and admit it .

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I think describing Dr Malone as the "founder and inventor" of MRNA tech is not completely accurate.

Here is an interesting article about the actual history of it.

Posting just because things are actually a little more complex and because it's an interesting article:


www.nature.com...

a reply to: asabuvsobelow
The difference is that Dr Marik altered and falsified results whilst also offering drugs outside his remit

Well, here's a more recent counter to the Spin article..
Snopes.com

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: asabuvsobelow
The difference is that Dr Marik altered and falsified results whilst also offering drugs outside his remit

Snopes.com

Well, here's a more recent counter to the Spin article..

I'm so far ahead of you it's not even funny with this bs.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Hmmm... Dunning Kruger?

Maybe?


You seem to have a high opinion of yourself.


Any comment on the article I posted?

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

I'm so far ahead of you it's not even funny with this bs.

That's a big no. The only thing you're ahead in, is posting doom porn for kicks.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

And yet for tens of thousands of us that were literally knocking on what seemed like deaths door and our personal physicians insisting on a redefine of ivermectin it turned us around very quickly

In my case less that 24 hours and they were threatening a forced vent on me

Glad my doc stepped in

I call BS to your 10,000s BTW. So here we are 2+ years later after the initial ivermectin push that we have now massive amounts of REAL clinical trials data that show that it really doesn't help in the end. I'm not here to change your beliefs,. but real data is real data...

You can't just cheery pick what fits your narrative like maybe some Brazilian study in the past and then not follow up on it that showed there were some big inconsistencies in the trails in how they accomplished it and incorrect reporting. I remember that one and hoped it was correct, and well over a year ago I said we just do not know yet, but trails were on going. Come forward to today and it is no longer a what if, it just doesn't help...

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

I think describing Dr Malone as the "founder and inventor" of MRNA tech is not completely accurate.

Here is an interesting article about the actual history of it.

Posting just because things are actually a little more complex and because it's an interesting article:

I think he has since backed off from that initial claim and even in his own words said he was a post grad student supporting the initial study that later became mRNA which I believe a female doctor is credited with it like 15 years later after his post grad days in around 1992. When you are a post grad student working with a team your job is not to lead anything, you crunch numbers, do the busy work etc. Basically doing all the labor intensive side of the lab work.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

And yet for tens of thousands of us that were literally knocking on what seemed like deaths door and our personal physicians insisting on a redefine of ivermectin it turned us around very quickly

In my case less that 24 hours and they were threatening a forced vent on me

Glad my doc stepped in

I call BS to your 10,000s BTW. So here we are 2+ years later after the initial ivermectin push that we have now massive amounts of REAL clinical trials data that show that it really doesn't help in the end. I'm not here to change your beliefs,. but real data is real data...

You can't just cheery pick what fits your narrative like maybe some Brazilian study in the past and then not follow up on it that showed there were some big inconsistencies in the trails in how they accomplished it and incorrect reporting. I remember that one and hoped it was correct, and well over a year ago I said we just do not know yet, but trails were on going. Come forward to today and it is no longer a what if, it just doesn't help...

Wrong.


ivmmeta.com...

•Statistically significant improvements are seen for mortality, ventilation, ICU admission, hospitalization, recovery, cases, and viral clearance. All remain significant after exclusions. 58 studies from 52 independent teams in 22 different countries show statistically significant improvements in isolation (40 primary outcome, 38 most serious outcome).

•Meta analysis using the most serious outcome shows 62% [51‑70%] and 83% [74‑89%] improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis, with similar results after exclusion based sensitivity analysis, for primary outcomes, for peer-reviewed studies, and for RCTs.
•Results are very robust — in worst case exclusion sensitivity analysis 58 of 92 studies must be excluded to avoid finding statistically significant efficacy.

•No treatment, vaccine, or intervention is 100% effective and available. All practical, effective, and safe means should be used based on risk/benefit analysis. Multiple treatments are typically used in combination, which may be significantly more effective. Only 23% of ivermectin studies show zero events with treatment.

•Over 20 countries adopted ivermectin for COVID-19. The evidence base is much larger and has much lower conflict of interest than typically used to approve drugs.

•All data to reproduce this paper and sources are in the appendix. See [Bryant, Hariyanto, Kory, Lawrie, Nardelli] for other meta analyses with similar results confirming efficacy.

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