How did I know and they didn't? The vaxx debacle and the participation of "educated" people.

a reply to: CyberBuddha

Dear sir/madam...

Yep, I've noticed this as well..

Not really worth trying to point out their folly anymore...

I just get carried away sometimes...





PA

originally posted by: CyberBuddha

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly
a reply to: underpass61

Incorrect, it lowers the viral load and reduces the chances of passing on the infection...

This is common knowledge...

But then it doesn't fit your already decided upon narrative does it?

PA

Good madam or sir,

Certain ATS members have made up their mind that the Covid mRNA vaccines are bad. There’s nothing you or I can do to convince them otherwise. It’s a rather widespread US phenomenon.

Certain ATS members remain skeptical, due to massive inconsistencies and outright lying by officials in the government and health organizations, along with continued manufacturer immunity from liability via EUA exemptions. What happened to Comirnaty? Why didn't they immediately switch over and start using it? Not to mention the vax exemptions for certain segments of the government and the actual employees of the pharmaceutical companies. Then add on the ridiculous incentive attempts (free donuts? $100 gift cards?) which quickly turned into threats of loss of employment and loss off the right to exist in a vaccinated society.

Observant people would call these things "red flags", some refuse to look and remain unconvinced and follow the herd.

It's a rather widespread world phenomenon.

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

Wait, you're going to trust the medical professionals that have been studying this their whole lives? Are they 2 years old? Not to mention, not only have vaccinated people been hospitalized after catching what they couldn't catch, but they've also died. Have your 2 year old medical professionals mentioned any of that to you or do they still blame the unvaccinated death devils?

Ok, your first sentence is weird, I won't respond to that...

Yes, some vaccianted people have still been hospitalised, this was known and expected, these people tend to have other health problems... IT is still possible to need the help of a hospital even if you are vaccinated... Especially if you are older... This is not new info... And does not "prove" that the vaccines don't do what they are supposed to do..

Again "catching what they couldn't catch", we were always told that it doesn't completely stop transmission, it lowers the viral load and the chance of passing it on.... I get that you were told something different in USA, but we're not all American..

Quit making straw man arguments based on out of date information and a lack of understanding... It's annoying..

PA

What out-of-date information? As for my first "weird sentence", you said you'll trust the medical professionals that have been studying this their whole lives. This, being a virus that was introduced 2 years ago. Medical professionals don't know anything more than we do about this, although they act like they're gods and we should shut our mouths and listen.

Yet you kowtow to these medical professionals and scientists that have miscalculated just about everything so far, and not just in America. I see it with my own eyes, why should I believe all these professionals who basically tell me that I'm not seeing what I'm seeing?

We were told from the beginning that if we got vaccinated, we wouldn't catch covid. When vaccinated people were still catching covid, they were told they wouldn't get as sick as the Typhoon Marys that weren't vaccinated, when they were getting just as sick as the unvaccinated, they were told they might get as sick but wouldn't be hospitalized, when the vaccinated were being hospitalized, they were told they might be hospitalized, but they wouldn't die. When the vaccinated began to die, they were told that they wouldn't die as often as the unvaccinated. It's all been one big lie from one excuse to the next. Now here you are telling me that all of those lies aren't lies, they're just out-of-date information. It's annoying..

For my "lack of understanding", what exactly is your logic here? You come across as a "believe everything, question nothing" kind of guy. A good little sheep.

originally posted by: CyberBuddha

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly
a reply to: underpass61

Incorrect, it lowers the viral load and reduces the chances of passing on the infection...

This is common knowledge...

But then it doesn't fit your already decided upon narrative does it?

PA

Good madam or sir,

Certain ATS members have made up their mind that the Covid mRNA vaccines are bad. There’s nothing you or I can do to convince them otherwise. It’s a rather widespread US phenomenon.

Not that they're bad, just that they don't work. So unless you can convince us that we don't really see exactly what we're looking at then you'd be correct. You're not going to convince any free thinking human that they don't see what they're looking at, go find a herd of sheep if that's your goal. When it comes to science, they'll believe everything and question nothing.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

Wait, you're going to trust the medical professionals that have been studying this their whole lives? Are they 2 years old? Not to mention, not only have vaccinated people been hospitalized after catching what they couldn't catch, but they've also died. Have your 2 year old medical professionals mentioned any of that to you or do they still blame the unvaccinated death devils?

Ok, your first sentence is weird, I won't respond to that...

Yes, some vaccianted people have still been hospitalised, this was known and expected, these people tend to have other health problems... IT is still possible to need the help of a hospital even if you are vaccinated... Especially if you are older... This is not new info... And does not "prove" that the vaccines don't do what they are supposed to do..

Again "catching what they couldn't catch", we were always told that it doesn't completely stop transmission, it lowers the viral load and the chance of passing it on.... I get that you were told something different in USA, but we're not all American..

Quit making straw man arguments based on out of date information and a lack of understanding... It's annoying..

PA

What out-of-date information? As for my first "weird sentence", you said you'll trust the medical professionals that have been studying this their whole lives. This, being a virus that was introduced 2 years ago. Medical professionals don't know anything more than we do about this, although they act like they're gods and we should shut our mouths and listen.

Yet you kowtow to these medical professionals and scientists that have miscalculated just about everything so far, and not just in America. I see it with my own eyes, why should I believe all these professionals who basically tell me that I'm not seeing what I'm seeing?

We were told from the beginning that if we got vaccinated, we wouldn't catch covid. When vaccinated people were still catching covid, they were told they wouldn't get as sick as the Typhoon Marys that weren't vaccinated, when they were getting just as sick as the unvaccinated, they were told they might get as sick but wouldn't be hospitalized, when the vaccinated were being hospitalized, they were told they might be hospitalized, but they wouldn't die. When the vaccinated began to die, they were told that they wouldn't die as often as the unvaccinated. It's all been one big lie from one excuse to the next. Now here you are telling me that all of those lies aren't lies, they're just out-of-date information. It's annoying..

For my "lack of understanding", what exactly is your logic here? You come across as a "believe everything, question nothing" kind of guy. A good little sheep.

It's called mass formation. We live under a medical apartheid where doctors cannot be questioned. And if any doctors step out of line, they lose their license. This some some tyrannical sh# right now and a lot of people are starting to wake up to and ask why are we still playing this game after 2.5 years? Why are people driving in cars alone with a mask on? Why are they forcing unlimited doses of a mRNA drug for an extinct virus on people who are telling you it's hurting them. Why would they make that sh# up? They're not, big pharma is making record profits like they always do at the expense of their client victims. Big pharma was always the enemy until they got a 1 billion dollar PR campaign for the "vaccine."

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
I did my own research. Made up my own mind. Got both vaccines AND the booster, and I DO NOT have buyer's remorse.

What exactly did you think the vaccine was supposed to do? Cure Covid?

You were either mislead or didn't listen closely enough.

a reply to: incoserv

Me too.

It was made very clear from the beginning that it was about not spreading the virus.

Spock says, “Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.”

Meanwhile, back in reality, everyone else heard Biden say that the vaccine will keep you from catching covid, even the Delda variant, and Fauci said once you're vaccinated, you no longer have to wear a mask or social distance because you'd be protected from catching covid.

Is Biden an immunologist or scientist in any field?

Fauci also said: “You’ve Got to Evolve with the Science. Science Is a Self‑Correcting Process”

Biden is the president who told us what the doctors, immunologists, and scientists told him. Their information was and continues to be inaccurate but we're supposed to believe it without question.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

Wait, you're going to trust the medical professionals that have been studying this their whole lives? Are they 2 years old? Not to mention, not only have vaccinated people been hospitalized after catching what they couldn't catch, but they've also died. Have your 2 year old medical professionals mentioned any of that to you or do they still blame the unvaccinated death devils?

Ok, your first sentence is weird, I won't respond to that...

Yes, some vaccianted people have still been hospitalised, this was known and expected, these people tend to have other health problems... IT is still possible to need the help of a hospital even if you are vaccinated... Especially if you are older... This is not new info... And does not "prove" that the vaccines don't do what they are supposed to do..

Again "catching what they couldn't catch", we were always told that it doesn't completely stop transmission, it lowers the viral load and the chance of passing it on.... I get that you were told something different in USA, but we're not all American..

Quit making straw man arguments based on out of date information and a lack of understanding... It's annoying..

PA

We were told from the beginning that if we got vaccinated, we wouldn't catch covid. When vaccinated people were still catching covid, they were told they wouldn't get as sick as the Typhoon Marys that weren't vaccinated, when they were getting just as sick as the unvaccinated, they were told they might get as sick but wouldn't be hospitalized, when the vaccinated were being hospitalized, they were told they might be hospitalized, but they wouldn't die. When the vaccinated began to die, they were told that they wouldn't die as often as the unvaccinated. It's all been one big lie from one excuse to the next.

It's astounding how quickly and unquestioningly they will move from one scenario to the next once their original claims fall apart. They now deny that it was ever said that the jab provided immunity. If that was true, where did the term "breakthrough infection" come from? If they always expected the jabbed to still contract covid, then why "breakthrough"? I remember the panicky headlines and MSM reports when the vaxxed started getting sick, now the goalposts have been moved again to, "It was never said you couldn't contract the virus". Now they are getting repeat infections (unlike the unvaxxed) and it's all normal, nothing to see here.

This is not a "some of us are being lied to" situation. We are ALL being lied to, some just can't face it.

a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

I don't have to go back and read anything. Everything I stated are things we've been told by the medical professionals, I've kept up with it all along. It's absurd how many times these medical "professionals" have moved the goalposts and stated something different because their previous statement didn't pan out. The most accurate statement I've heard about masks, distancing, sanitation, and vaccines is that it's all political theater. Oddly enough, that statement was accidentally caught on a hot mic by a news media very popular among the left.

Does any of this matter anymore anyways? People catching covid and the media making it a big deal has began to fade anyways. What a coincidence that it faded after the money making vaccine peaked. Now we're moving on to the next big money maker... Monkeypox. Currently 0.001%, or 5,800 people out of 360,000,000 have it and the fear is beginning to be pushed.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
I did my own research. Made up my own mind. Got both vaccines AND the booster, and I DO NOT have buyer's remorse.

What exactly did you think the vaccine was supposed to do? Cure Covid?

You were either mislead or didn't listen closely enough.

a reply to: incoserv

Me too.

It was made very clear from the beginning that it was about not spreading the virus.

Spock says, “Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.”

Meanwhile, back in reality, everyone else heard Biden say that the vaccine will keep you from catching covid, even the Delda variant, and Fauci said once you're vaccinated, you no longer have to wear a mask or social distance because you'd be protected from catching covid.

Is Biden an immunologist or scientist in any field?

Fauci also said: “You’ve Got to Evolve with the Science. Science Is a Self‑Correcting Process”

Biden is the president who told us what the doctors, immunologists, and scientists told him. Their information was and continues to be inaccurate but we're supposed to believe it without question.

I don't think we're supposed to be stupid.

That can go both ways.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Bingo. Those who are getting or have gotten vaccinated has reached it's peak and suddenly we don't hear near as much as we used to. Now they're moving on to monkeypox, another money grab on the innocent. We'll see how many sheep believe this without question.

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: ARM1968
The lie was so big that they believed it. I’m still not sure that the vaccine was the real reason behind it all, or maybe a way to accelerate the spread of the spike. I dunno. What I do know is that the vaccines were and are dangerous and again I am sure they cannot be easily unpicked from the chaos consuming us all so quickly.

No, still not what I'm asking. Yes, the lie was so big that many believed it. But I didn't believe it.

The question is, why did uneducated people like me "get it" when so many of the "educated" inteligentsia did not.

In my circle I am in a Scientific setting. The people were divided. It was 50/50 with us at the office agreeing to disagree. Yes, most those that took it have had CV several times. The rest of us not at all or just once. Most of those who did take it are not getting the boosters after the 2nd shot due to our in house observable data of each other. We quit wearing the masks in the building officially, but a few still do.

The science is coming back to prove the series of vaccinations are dangerous and common sense is ruling the day in our office now. The tide has turned. Monkey pox is not going to be taken to be a "hetero" disease. Keeping one partner, and not going to all night gay orgies is how to stay safe. Will the media tell us that?

a reply to: carewemust

be vewy vewy afwaid

originally posted by: underpass61

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

Wait, you're going to trust the medical professionals that have been studying this their whole lives? Are they 2 years old? Not to mention, not only have vaccinated people been hospitalized after catching what they couldn't catch, but they've also died. Have your 2 year old medical professionals mentioned any of that to you or do they still blame the unvaccinated death devils?

Ok, your first sentence is weird, I won't respond to that...

Yes, some vaccianted people have still been hospitalised, this was known and expected, these people tend to have other health problems... IT is still possible to need the help of a hospital even if you are vaccinated... Especially if you are older... This is not new info... And does not "prove" that the vaccines don't do what they are supposed to do..

Again "catching what they couldn't catch", we were always told that it doesn't completely stop transmission, it lowers the viral load and the chance of passing it on.... I get that you were told something different in USA, but we're not all American..

Quit making straw man arguments based on out of date information and a lack of understanding... It's annoying..

PA

We were told from the beginning that if we got vaccinated, we wouldn't catch covid. When vaccinated people were still catching covid, they were told they wouldn't get as sick as the Typhoon Marys that weren't vaccinated, when they were getting just as sick as the unvaccinated, they were told they might get as sick but wouldn't be hospitalized, when the vaccinated were being hospitalized, they were told they might be hospitalized, but they wouldn't die. When the vaccinated began to die, they were told that they wouldn't die as often as the unvaccinated. It's all been one big lie from one excuse to the next.

It's astounding how quickly and unquestioningly they will move from one scenario to the next once their original claims fall apart. They now deny that it was ever said that the jab provided immunity. If that was true, where did the term "breakthrough infection" come from? If they always expected the jabbed to still contract covid, then why "breakthrough"? I remember the panicky headlines and MSM reports when the vaxxed started getting sick, now the goalposts have been moved again to, "It was never said you couldn't contract the virus". Now they are getting repeat infections (unlike the unvaxxed) and it's all normal, nothing to see here.

This is not a "some of us are being lied to" situation. We are ALL being lied to, some just can't face it.

That's exactly right, and I don't understand why they don't mind being lied to. It boggles the mind.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
I did my own research. Made up my own mind. Got both vaccines AND the booster, and I DO NOT have buyer's remorse.

What exactly did you think the vaccine was supposed to do? Cure Covid?

You were either mislead or didn't listen closely enough.

a reply to: incoserv

Me too.

It was made very clear from the beginning that it was about not spreading the virus.

Spock says, “Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.”

Meanwhile, back in reality, everyone else heard Biden say that the vaccine will keep you from catching covid, even the Delda variant, and Fauci said once you're vaccinated, you no longer have to wear a mask or social distance because you'd be protected from catching covid.

Is Biden an immunologist or scientist in any field?

Fauci also said: “You’ve Got to Evolve with the Science. Science Is a Self‑Correcting Process”

Biden is the president who told us what the doctors, immunologists, and scientists told him. Their information was and continues to be inaccurate but we're supposed to believe it without question.

I don't think we're supposed to be stupid.

That can go both ways.

No I don't believe it's about being stupid, it's about being obedient and question nothing. It's seems to be that way for everything they promote, from AGW to green energy to vaccines. If you question any of it, you're labeled a science denier.

How about this. Let the big science brains battle the big legal brains. They are both highly educated. Lets repeal the PREP act here in the USA at least and see what plays out. If the jab is so safe, indeed beneficial even, then what could be the problem? This no liability stuff has to stop. No accountability what so ever is a free money printing press to these people. If all these heart issues and clotting issues and reproduction issues are all phony what can be the harm? Big pharma used to be right up there with big oil as public enemy #1 and 2. Discovery should be very interesting if law suits would ever be allowed to play out. I know I am dreaming but maybe some BOLD member of congress or senate will push for this. I am sorta looking at you Rand Paul. MTG might go for it in the house. I will admit to not being highly credentialed myself so my general skepticism on most things just isn't as valid I know.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: ARM1968
The lie was so big that they believed it. I’m still not sure that the vaccine was the real reason behind it all, or maybe a way to accelerate the spread of the spike. I dunno. What I do know is that the vaccines were and are dangerous and again I am sure they cannot be easily unpicked from the chaos consuming us all so quickly.

No, still not what I'm asking. Yes, the lie was so big that many believed it. But I didn't believe it.

The question is, why did uneducated people like me "get it" when so many of the "educated" inteligentsia did not.

In my circle I am in a Scientific setting. The people were divided. It was 50/50 with us at the office agreeing to disagree. Yes, most those that took it have had CV several times. The rest of us not at all or just once. Most of those who did take it are not getting the boosters after the 2nd shot due to our in house observable data of each other. We quit wearing the masks in the building officially, but a few still do.

The science is coming back to prove the series of vaccinations are dangerous and common sense is ruling the day in our office now. The tide has turned. Monkey pox is not going to be taken to be a "hetero" disease. Keeping one partner, and not going to all night gay orgies is how to stay safe. Will the media tell us that?

Y'all weren't divided, you didn't see what you think you saw. Ask two of the people in this thread, they'll tell you, you SCIENCE DENIER!

originally posted by: 25shadesofgraybeard
How about this. Let the big science brains battle the big legal brains. They are both highly educated. Lets repeal the PREP act here in the USA at least and see what plays out. If the jab is so safe, indeed beneficial even, then what could be the problem? This no liability stuff has to stop. No accountability what so ever is a free money printing press to these people. If all these heart issues and clotting issues and reproduction issues are all phony what can be the harm? Big pharma used to be right up there with big oil as public enemy #1 and 2. Discovery should be very interesting if law suits would ever be allowed to play out. I know I am dreaming but maybe some BOLD member of congress or senate will push for this. I am sorta looking at you Rand Paul. MTG might go for it in the house. I will admit to not being highly credentialed myself so my general skepticism on most things just isn't as valid I know.

You're not allowed to be skeptical no matter how valid your credentials are anyways, you only get to be labeled like the rest of us.

a reply to: LSU2018

They said “you have to put this in your body, no we’re not %100 how it’s going to work because you’re the experiment, and we’re not going to show you the results of this experiment for 75 years”

And then “smarter” people waste their precious time on a conspiracy site to tell us we’re being paranoid, just give in and comply you dirty neckbeards

I wish Rod Sterling could see this

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Notabot12345666
a reply to: incoserv

Yeah, if you look at a box of masks, it says right on the box the masks it do NOT provide any protection from covid 19.

But you know....cults

MAYO CLINIC -- but what do they know, right?

Mayo Clinic Minute: Study shows masks can prevent COVID-19 -- July 29, 2021
Mayo Clinic researchers recently published a study that shows the proper use of masks reduces the spread of respiratory droplets. The findings strongly support the protective value and effectiveness of widespread mask use and maintaining physical distance in reducing the spread of COVID-19.

"We found objectively that masks are critically important. They're very effective at protecting the people around you. If you're wearing a mask, you're protecting others. If they're wearing masks, they're protecting you," says Dr. Matthew Callstrom, a Mayo Clinic radiologist and one of the study's auth

newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org...

If that was true the manufacturers of the masks should put it on the box; they would surely sell more....except they can’t put that on the box- because it’s not true and they would be sued out of business.
If you’re as old as you say you are, you should be explaining this to me, not the other way around.

a reply to: incoserv

Hey. I'm assuming you can understand fairly complex concepts, without having a degree in them? I know it's a shocking concept...
"hey, do you know what the definition of a scientist is? someone with a paper saying that they know something about a subject, that gets paid to work on that subject".

Take a look at this: academic.oup.com...
this very early paper was ATTACKED for about 5 months, then very, very quietly it was admitted to be, um, "true" in September.

and think back to what was known in the early stages; videos of people dropping in the street in china, huge numbers dead, etc.

Tell me what conclusion you reach. privately might be good.