EU just banned the internal combustion engine from 2035 on >:o

%"§"%$ THEM!

I know lot's of water down the river until then but:

EU just banned new registration of personal transport vehicles that emit greenhouse gases from 2035 on!!!

They want to kill personal transport and they are going full steam at it. First the artificially created a used car shortage by their dumb rulings and now they push to all electric, again raising the used vehicle prices in times of chip and part shortages. Where's the energy coming from?? From the offline nuclear reactors? Renewables? There is no answer yet! First my country cancels nuclear energy and now we build new coal power plants WTF???

This is indeed clown world!!!!

I love my EV but I know it's just a in-between technology that is necessary to develop, it's not a solution to replace ICE as it currently stands. Not as longs as we do not have energy source that is suitable to eliminate battery technology. Like BTTF's Mr. Fusion or a safe nuclear battery up to the demand that EV and EV trucks and all kind of machines will have.

# THEM!
THAT'S ALL!

a reply to: TDDAgain

When are spaziergangen going to change into molotov werfen?

a reply to: TDDAgain

I don't suppose they explained how they will have the support structure in place to charge all these vehicles?

a reply to: TDDAgain

EU just banned new registration of personal transport vehicles that emit greenhouse gases from 2035 on!!!

Making a commitment to do something and keeping it are two separate things , I believe petrol / diesel hybrids will still be being produced in 2036.

a reply to: chris_stibrany

I hope not, terror and arson is not the solution. I speak up against it just like I did with what Antifa did here and in the US and elsewhere.

Does the US have that on their agenda?

a reply to: TDDAgain

Not personally; but the people do need to start fighting back somehow besides words and votes. In my opinion.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: TDDAgain

I don't suppose they explained how they will have the support structure in place to charge all these vehicles?

Solving problems is the bread and butter of government and if the solution creates even more problems, that's just an added bonus!

Any fool can see how a policy is going to be a major crisis in years to come, but I've come to believe it's viewed as 'job security' by policy makers.

Or they're all just dumber than a box of rocks.

Electric vehicles are never ever going to happen. I read a long reasoning on this but I don't know how to "translate2 it here. One basic comment among others :- when you fuel up a petrol car you in the fuel station approx. 3 minutes filling up. Electric car approx. Half an hour to a full hour. Now take a busy fuel station does an average 12 cars per pump per hour. A small station may have 20 nozzles, that's 240 cars per hour. BUT, that's fuelled up and gone.

Now take 240 electric cars taking up a much larger space for at least half an hour, now multiply that up to how many cars will be in the area when everybody's been forced to go electric. The area alone makes it unfeasible never mind the electric infrastructure.

a reply to: gortex

Ah you speak of commitment. It's not them making the commitment or is it? We've all made enough commitments lately, I don't know about you but I don't like it when people that are not reliant on real work, want to make decisions that directly attack my freedom to travel and everyone else's.

And diesel is even worse treated than gasoline. A few years ago they had a program to discard diesel and give up to 8000€ incentive money for buying a new gasoline car!

Just by pure randomness, I happen to carry the (ICE) vehicle master mechanic degree. I tell you the gasoline engine was completely developed to technical possibilities in the early 2000s. Since then the industry and state laws just keep adding bolt ons of different variety and keep changing the goal posts when it comes to the trade-offs between fuel efficiency, fine particles, CO2 and durability in general.

And forget hybrids, with hybrid system you also get weight and part trade-offs, that also generates CO2 and energy waste down every station of the supply chain. Makes the car heavier and there are only a few solutions that really work well. Recuperation being one but it's also a tradeoff between gliding mode.

a reply to: crayzeed
I agree part ways but consider my EV recharges to 80% in 18 minutes. I use my EV daily and also for long trips and for the current under-usage of charging stations that are capable of squeezing in the electrons so quickly, I travel surprisingly without much hassle and trouble. In warp mode how I call it, it beats 800-1000hp AWD ice 0-200kmh, again and again. While ICE cars would long have overheated or risk damage, my battery still has plenty of charge to do that and then drive home without any angst.

I do love combustion engines, or else I would not run a shop but the EV tech is here and it's getting better. I question the process of charging though, once there are more and more EV. We will see if development of infrastructure catches up. Do not believe in it, though.

a reply to: TDDAgain

I'm sure EV, or some other form of zero emission car will be our future, but we must have the infrastructure in place to deal with EVERYONE having that kind of vehicle. And imaging rolling out charging stations all over the world, getting it all done just before 2035, and then having some new tech happen that is better with less waste. (those batteries have to go somewhere when they die)

But if we are to get off the gas, we need all the stuff in place BEFORE we do. And it needs to work. Right now, we may see rolling blackouts due to excessive strain on the grid. And most don't have a car plugged in yet. We got some work to do.

a reply to: TDDAgain
Yeah, I'll give you that, but you're one of a very few minority of vehicles. Now in 2020 there were 286.90 million cars on US roads, now translate those into electric cars and you WILL have a SH## storm of vehicles wanting to be charged. Take a city like New York, they have approx. 1.5 million cars, think on all those hitting the electric grid every day. Plus the supply there are using on living etc.. It aint gonna work

a reply to: TDDAgain

The technology of combustion engines is ancient. Actually most car manufacturers are/ have been planning to stop producing them before 2035. 2030 or something.
So your outrage is apparently more with the tides of time, if I may put it poetically.
I don't know what country you're from that'd be building new coal power stations? Because Germany doesn't.

Look on the bright side: the way things are developing with the competent gouvernment we are globally enjoying we'll all be dead long before 2030 anyways





a reply to: crayzeed

But why do people living in NY need private cars? That's just a waste of space and resources anyways.

a reply to: TDDAgain

Unless the EU is about to start creating a new infrastructure such as Electric roads, more readily available public transport network's and cheap or free transit of freight into and out of city's to all necessary distribution centres then this is an instant recipe for economic and social disaster.

BY BY EU, you have spelled your own end, it was not Russian gas prices but your own short sighted and damned idiotic nonsense as you demote your citizens back to living like prisoners within there city's and town's, what next EU owning them like serf's?.

Rather the EU should have declared as a matter of EU wide national emergency a program of new power stations, electric charging stations, new tram, train and bus travel services and specialised freight corridors and subsidised distribution points for industry and retail sector's.

Idiot's.

And I am a Brit so I would like to our Government get there shoes on and do the same here NOT BLOODY BAN people's freedom to get out and about.

a reply to: Peeple

It indeed is, there were Electric cars BEFORE there were Petrol ones but there range was extremely limited back then and still earlier there were several attempts at steam cars, we even had steam lorry's over here in the UK that were still running during WW2 in many instances.

And yes there ARE too many cars on the roads, it is a damned nuisance for some people as well if they have one car and there greedy selfish neighbours have several and keep taking there place on the street where they live or blocking there drive way.

But in general we need transportation, if they have a viable alternative that is freely available and if it is viable (remember China is putting the squeeze on rare earth minerals needed for many of these electric cars and they are possibly even more ecologically damaging to make than a petrol car is?) then fine BUT only if they have a viable alternative and a fully realized infrastructure to replace the Lorry's and Cars or otherwise how can they even run there nations never mind the European Union itself.

Will private jets owned by climate preachers fall under “personal transport vehicles that emit greenhouse gases”?

Or will they manage language to specifically exempt themselves?

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: TDDAgain

I don't suppose they explained how they will have the support structure in place to charge all these vehicles?

No man, you just follow your dreams and let the money roll in.

Shoot for the moon! Even if you miss it, you still end up among the stars... or among the other failing western nations getting high on their own farts to save the world. There's really no downside to planning as an afterthought.

a reply to: TDDAgain

It's enough to make Enzo turn in his grave!

They want me to go electric? Well, here's my reply:

a reply to: LABTECH767


And for rainy days

But instead of the parking cars you got all green and trees, conquering back public spaces for humans and dogs and kids...
Wouldn't it be nice?

a reply to: Peeple

I will definitely agree to that BUT transport is essential for the economy, for job's and for food distribution, we did used to to it a better way in the past.

Old style omni bus (in Liverpool to this day though most have forgotten the origin of the phrase a robust lady is said to be like a Bus Horse haha) that was horse drawn but look at New Zealand they have decided to put a TAX on sheep and cow farts, seriously I am not kidding taxing animals by how much they fart when there is more bloody hot gas coming out of the politician's mouth's.

Europe has or once had some treasures such as electrified monorails and tram's (people were always having accidents with those overhead tram cables frying there poor arses).

But to do what they are calling for reasonably and in a reality we can actually live in then instead of an outright ban that is too soon they need to get these old infrastructure projects rebuilt, modernised and made as efficient as possible.

And there is still a good argument for high performance emergency vehicles such as Ambulance, Police and Fire services.

I believe it would have been far more sensible to force manufacturers in the interim to create alcohol powered engines until electric vehicles overtake them in performance which will some day become real but not by 2035.

Alcohol burn's far more cleanly, produces far less pollutants but requires special work on the engines as it will destroy a petrol engine and of course we get to GROW the basic ingredient instead of mine it, vertical hydroponic farming of fuel crop's could then become the oil derrick analogue of the alcohol powered transportation sector, sky scrapers to create food and fuel instead of having to ship it in from far and wide would also limit sea pollution caused by those massive diesel powered cargo ship's that probably cause far more pollution than all of Europe's and Britain's cars combined.

But green spaces I am all for that, pedestrianized areas certainly, proper cycle lanes yes BUT we have to be realistic, even if we knew or think we know that if we were the ones calling the shots we could solve the worlds problems in fact politics is a game of snakes and ladders and sometimes it is the cunning fool's that have no brains outside there political careers that are the ones that get to call the shots over our poor tiny insignificant lives.