US Firearms and Todays Society

What a difference a day makes…

Now the narrative says he used an AR15 style rifle. Yesterday there was “maybe had a rifle (undeclared type) but used a handgun.” Also that there was a car chase and he somehow escaped on foot to the school as a murky description.

In the end, I just want to know which laws and rules that criminals respect and won’t violate before all the gun grabbing starts. Because I can make a good argument for all Democrats being banned because a few were caught not paying taxes when Obama was trying to get cabinet members approved…same stupidity.

a reply to: Ahabstar

I've seen a few calls for universal background checks.

The guy bought two rifles legally, with a background check.

These idiots honestly don't even know how the background check system works. It doesn't matter how "universal" you make it, if there's nothing in his record that will cause the check to fail, he'll still be able to buy the gun.

It's infuriating every time I see an anti-gun extremist launch into a diatribe about "I don't need to know [X] to know you don't need an AR-15!"

This is exactly why they should try to get educated on the issue, because their complete ignorance of the subject matter leads them to focus on nonsense that won't matter. And they prevent progress on the issue by insisting on remaining ignorant.

originally posted by: JinMI
What to do oh what to do. Another mass shooting has taken place today, the 212th this year.

Membet Freeborn indicated that an adult conversation needs to happen. I agree. So much death and today involving children will evoke strong emotions to the topic.

As an American and a supporter of the Constitution, standing behind it is where Ill be.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Where Id like to get the ball rolling is at the point of education.

Me, personally, ive always been around firearms. Long before I knew of the 2nd ammendment and what it means. This, from my experience, seems to be the exception and not the rule.

In a country built on the foundationa of free speech and arms, shouldnt they be taught in the general education cirriculum?

Let's start saving our children's lives by not mandating they take experimental poison or maybe outlaw vacuuming them out of a uterus when alive inside a woman's body.

a reply to: face23785

I especially enjoy the can kill hundreds in mins with an AR15 because they issue it in the military.

The most hysterical have never purchased a firearm, also had them tell me its because of the assault weapons ban lifting right after they admitted they couldnt think of a law that would have stopped this.

a reply to: Irishhaf

The worst I've seen so far is scum trying to link this to the abortion issue, making a sick link that because we "allow" school shootings it justifies abortion.

Whether you're pro-choice or pro-life, that's a despicable argument.

a reply to: face23785

It's infuriating every time I see an anti-gun extremist launch into a diatribe about "I don't need to know [X] to know you don't need an AR-15!"

This is exactly why they should try to get educated on the issue, because their complete ignorance of the subject matter leads them to focus on nonsense that won't matter. And they prevent progress on the issue by insisting on remaining ignorant.

That's because they (or, more likely, those they listen to) know that banning guns isn't a solution; it's an agenda. Criminals do not obey the law; that's why they are criminals. Innocent people obey the law, and it will be the innocent who pay the price for that agenda by being unable to protect themselves or those around them.

In the end, they (or again, more properly, those they listen to) do not want progress. Death, especially violent death, gets people's attention and makes for good ratings, as well as energizing the population to go along with whatever the leaders want. They are not going to give that up willingly, and they have no respect for anyone's lives... as long as they get what they want, it doesn't matter if everyone else lies rotting in the streets.

That is the evil that has invaded our leadership. And we keep electing the same tired old people pushing the same tired old narrative. So it's not what "they" are doing after all... it's what "we" are allowing them to do to us.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Freeborn

But none of that explains the huge number of mass shootings in schools - mass shootings anywhere.
So far this year there has already been 27 shootings in schools in the US....that is madness.

Madness, indeed!! I won't, can't--even if I was so inclined--argue that.

Many of these people have been bullied, or are bullies, and much of that, though not all, does, again MHO, link back to the culture of gangsta--take what you want, when you want, damn the consequences. Or, in the case of the bullied, they've simply snapped, as a result.

Does this explain all of it? Probably not. Some of 'em are just plain evil. Does it explain the frequency of the events that so horrify us all? It just might, but only might... Copycats.

I'm probably oversimplifying this by orders of magnitude, but I think I'm on the right track.

The other part is the family unit--or lack thereof--and the discipline/learning that is supposed to take place within it. If parents are, for what ever reason, unable or unwilling to provide that discipline, then the children begin to think that there's no reason to fear consequences, add to that the culture around them...and you get what we're getting today.

a reply to: seagull

In my opinion they're definitely contributory reasons for the massive upsurge in tragedies like this.

At least many people are acknowledging that there are fundamental problems that need addressing and its not just the 'they'll take my guns over my dead body' bravado that would have dominated this discussion even two years ago.

Banning guns in the US will not solve this problem.

Maybe if people demanded that their politicians go about solving core issues rather than engaging in petty partisan party politics we could get on with addressing societies problems - not just in the US, we all have our own problems and many of them will be manifestations of the same or similar root causes.

The danger is that next week when the latest sensationalist headlines hit the front pages this will be forgotten about and put on the back burner....until the next inevitable tragedy like this occurs.

We all need to stop talking and demand action.

Acts and deeds my friend.

Evidence is starting to come out that the shooter was part of the LBGT community.... apparently trans.

We will see how this narrative changes or if they start covering this up.

I guarantee if he were wearing a MAGA hat, they'd be running nonstop stories on the shooters background and how conservative ideology is the culprit. If shooter is in fact, LBGTQ, expect them to gloss over it and just focus on guns being the issue, not mental health.

a reply to: Edumakated

If shooter is in fact, LBGTQ, expect them to gloss over it and just focus on guns being the issue, not mental health.

That or they will spin it so that "Transphobia', "lbgtophiba" or any other kind of phobia they can think of, was the reason he went off due to the bullying and harassment and even more new laws should be enacted to prevent whack jobs from doing this again.

Got to get them votes, even one that don't exist.

originally posted by: Freeborn

I don't have the solutions....but as far as I can tell you guys need to start talking about finding some pretty damn quickly.

There are 75 countries with higher homicide rates than the US, so what do you want to fix here?

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Ahabstar

I've seen a few calls for universal background checks.

The guy bought two rifles legally, with a background check.

These idiots honestly don't even know how the background check system works. It doesn't matter how "universal" you make it, if there's nothing in his record that will cause the check to fail, he'll still be able to buy the gun.

It's infuriating every time I see an anti-gun extremist launch into a diatribe about "I don't need to know [X] to know you don't need an AR-15!"

This is exactly why they should try to get educated on the issue, because their complete ignorance of the subject matter leads them to focus on nonsense that won't matter. And they prevent progress on the issue by insisting on remaining ignorant.

These shooters are getting younger because as you said there isn't anything in their background to pickup on being young. Its always a slippery slope as to what to do.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Indeed. Background checks arent answer as they already exist.

Its been the consensus that its a societal/culture issue. Well, you cant legislate morality as Ive been told.

Eliminating all the guns is impossible.

So, and feel free to correct, is allowing for an equalizer.

That is 5 good guys vs 1 bad guy...with guns.

Our entire security, be it police or military is just that policy. A force greater than whats being presented.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Xtrozero

Indeed. Background checks arent answer as they already exist.

Its been the consensus that its a societal/culture issue. Well, you cant legislate morality as Ive been told.

Eliminating all the guns is impossible.

So, and feel free to correct, is allowing for an equalizer.

That is 5 good guys vs 1 bad guy...with guns.

Our entire security, be it police or military is just that policy. A force greater than whats being presented.

And yet there is no more or less gun owners since we use to take our guns to school as part of a school gun club, so we need to look at what has changed society. We might have this one shooter, but this weekend 20 to 30 people will die in gun fights in Chicago alone, a place were guns are illegal.

a reply to: Xtrozero

So background checks and laws arent helping.

Im still with you here.

a reply to: DBCowboy

There are other was of doing that than beating your kids and humiliating them. Period.

a reply to: Edumakated

Unbalancing your hormones will do it. If you're already unstable, pushing hormonal imbalance will make it worse.

originally posted by: JinMI

So background checks and laws arent helping.

Im still with you here.

There is more violent criminals (gangs) and they don't care about laws. Mass murder is somewhat different in there are more crazy people wanting to kill than lets say 40 or 50 years ago. BUT we have 1/2 the murders per year since 1993 where it slowly dropped every year to basically bottom out early 2000 between 5 to 5.5 per 100k people.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I do wonder why someone hell bent on dying, goes to take as many imnocent lives as possible first.


Innocent lives that have nothing to do with their ills. I just dont understand it.

I do understand gang culture even though its obviously absurd.

a reply to: JinMI

What are the chances that the kid was on ADHD drugs like so many of the other shootings? the casual medication which takes place in America as a fashion with regards to kids. This could be the reason why this seems to be an American phenomenon. If this is the case who is the real culprit, a drug that makes children act out their dark phantasies instead of just thinking of them?