Poland Ukraine

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Apologies. I'm not a full time propaganda machine.

Unlike some on here.

Any argument that targets the source of an opposing argument, rather than addressing the opposing argument itself, is an ad hominem argument, regardless of its exact structure.

Poisoning the well
Poisoning the well is a rhetorical technique where someone presents irrelevant negative information about their opponent, with the goal of discrediting their opponent’s arguments.

Appeal to motive (circumstantial ad hominem)
An appeal to motive (the main type of circumstantial ad hominem) is an argument that dismisses a certain stance, by questioning the motives of the person who supports it.

Association fallacy
The association fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone is attacked based on their supposed connection to something that is unrelated to the discussion at hand.

A fallacy is the use of invalid or otherwise faulty reasoning, or "wrong moves", in the construction of an argument, which may appear stronger than it really is if the fallacy is not spotted.

a reply to: Grimpachi

I am glad you understand that I am not the police nor am I in a position to bring charges against him. What I can do is look at the evidence and confidently state that Volodymyr is a drug addict.

Because you want to, Because you want to.

continuum fallacy

The fallacy causes one to erroneously reject a vague claim simply because it is not as precise as one would like it to be. Vagueness alone does not necessarily imply invalidity.

It also could be characterized as a fallacy of misdirection or a red herring

Attempting to redirect the argument to another issue to which the person doing the redirecting can better respond. While it is similar to the avoiding the issue fallacy, the red herring is a deliberate diversion

Says the boy attempting to punt spurious nonsense without a shred of real evidence about the Ukrainian president because he's butthurt over his Man Putin looking so bad.

a reply to: Grimpachi

More irony?

a reply to: andy06shake

Because you want to, Because you want to.

Because of the evidence and only because of the evidence. If the same evidence was shown about any leader I would say the same thing about them.

Says the boy attempting to punt spurious nonsense without a shred of real evidence about the Ukrainian president because he's butthurt over his Man Putin looking so bad.

It has been a long time since someone called me a boy. I am pretty sure that was intended as a straight-up ad hominem.

Abusive fallacy (abusive ad hominem)
The abusive fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when an argument attacks a person in a direct and abusive manner, instead of addressing the point that they are trying to make.

A fallacy is the use of invalid or otherwise faulty reasoning, or "wrong moves", in the construction of an argument, which may appear stronger than it really is if the fallacy is not spotted.

It looks like most of the descent people that could argue their points without resorting to fallacies and insults left. For the most part people on twitter don't even stoop that low.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Says you playing the man not the ball.

More irony.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Because of the evidence and only because of the evidence. If the same evidence was shown about any leader I would say the same thing about them.

If you think daft fake video concocted in an attempt to cast dispersions on Zelenskyy by way of drug abuse constitutes ""evidence"" that says rather a lot really.

It has been a long time since someone called me a boy. I am pretty sure that was intended as a straight-up ad hominem.

I do apologize if i have somehow caused offense by way of the "boy" comment, but if you say things that sound childish, and present and support daft spurious fake information, it's not that far a stretch to assume you are a child.

Abusive fallacy (abusive ad hominem)
The abusive fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when an argument attacks a person in a direct and abusive manner, instead of addressing the point that they are trying to make.

A fallacy is the use of invalid or otherwise faulty reasoning, or "wrong moves", in the construction of an argument, which may appear stronger than it really is if the fallacy is not spotted.

Amazing but none of the above supports your loaded claim that Zelenskyy is a coke-head or drug addict.

It looks like most of the descent people that could argue their points without resorting to fallacies and insults left. For the most part people on twitter don't even stoop that low.

"descent people" Where do they live, under the stairs?

They do say the offense has to be taken and seldom given, but good luck attempting to punt your ""childish"" Zelenskyy is a drug addict nonsense.

As to "Twitter" and the "most part" well i simply would not know, as i don't do Twitter.

I would have thought "Truth Social" would have been more your speed these days if I'm honest.

a reply to: andy06shake

If you think daft fake video concocted in an attempt to cast dispersions on Zelenskyy by way of drug abuse constitutes ""evidence"" that says rather a lot really.

Asserting that the video is fake without actually proving the video is fake is a fallacy called Proof by Assertion.

Your links may, I repeat may disprove the first clip but I have no way of knowing if they do because your sources didn't bother to translate what was shown.
Your sources did nothing to disprove the other clips in the video.

I do apologize if i have somehow caused offense by way of the "boy" comment, but if you say things that sound childish, and present and support daft spurious fake information, it's not that far a stretch to assume you are a child.

Non Sequitur, Proof by Assertion, and ad hominem all wrapped up into one.

Amazing but none of the above supports your loaded claim that Zelenskyy is a coke-head or drug addict.

The video clips do.

"descent people" Where do they live, under the stairs?

continuum fallacy

The fallacy causes one to erroneously reject a vague claim simply because it is not as precise as one would like it to be. Vagueness alone does not necessarily imply invalidity.

It also could be characterized as a fallacy of misdirection or a red herring

Attempting to redirect the argument to another issue to which the person doing the redirecting can better respond. While it is similar to the avoiding the issue fallacy, the red herring is a deliberate diversion of attention with the intention of trying to abandon the original argument.


Someday, maybe you will have a salient point and real argument.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Asserting that the video is fake without actually proving the video is fake is a fallacy called Proof by Assertion.

Your links may, I repeat may disprove the first clip but I have no way of knowing if they do because your sources didn't bother to translate what was shown.
Your sources did nothing to disprove the other clips in the video.

Accept i did provide you with 3 different sources that go into detail as to why and how the video is fake most of which is in plain English.

Non Sequitur, Proof by Assertion, and ad hominem all wrapped up into one.

Now you just sound broken.

The video clips do.

Only in that little childish Russian propaganda filled noggin atop your shoulders.

continuum fallacy

The fallacy causes one to erroneously reject a vague claim simply because it is not as precise as one would like it to be. Vagueness alone does not necessarily imply invalidity.

It also could be characterized as a fallacy of misdirection or a red herring

Attempting to redirect the argument to another issue to which the person doing the redirecting can better respond. While it is similar to the avoiding the issue fallacy, the red herring is a deliberate diversion of attention with the intention of trying to abandon the original argument.

Again you sound broken.

Someday, maybe you will have a salient point and real argument.

The salient point being, you like to call people you don't like drug addicts without any sort of tangible evidence to support your nonsense aside from fake video, which you are perfectly aware is fake.

Another thing, why would you imagine some parts of the video to be real and others fake by your own admission?

Clown shoes Grimpachi, and then some, if anything you're at least entertaining with your misplaced spurious propaganda spiel.

a reply to: Grimpachi


"Asserting that the video is real without actually proving the video is real is a fallacy called Proof by Assertion."



Fixed that for ya.

a reply to: andy06shake

All of your links only cover two video clips of which only one was in the video.

That one is where they claim Volodymyr said something different but suspiciously didn't translate the video they claimed was proof.

What is your excuse for the narcotics in the last clip?

Only in that little childish Russian propaganda filled noggin atop your shoulders.

Abusive fallacy (abusive ad hominem)
The abusive fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when an argument attacks a person in a direct and abusive manner, instead of addressing the point that they are trying to make.

The salient point being, you like to call people you don't like drug addicts without any sort of tangible evidence to support your nonsense aside from fake video, which you are perfectly aware is fake.

The video is evidence that he is a drug addict. You can't disprove it so you make fallacious arguments.

You say you don't twitter. I can understand why. It has a block and ignore function. I don't think you would do well there.

a reply to: Grimpachi


Does this 'drug addict' nonsense have anything to do with russia invading Ukraine to steal it's land and resources?


Or is it just distraction attempt #4201?

Reminder....

This is the topic:

Poland Ukraine

Let's please stick to that topic. Instead of the endless bickering.

Please keep Chit Chat to a minimum.
Use the Private Message system for private chatting.
Go after the ball not the player.

Do NOT feed the trolls!
Trolling, And What To Do About It
Ad Hominem Attacks And You
Is it TROLLING, or just a difference of opinion????



You are responsible for your own posts.
Ignoring this responsibility could include temporary POSTING BANS.




and, as always:

Do NOT reply to this post!!

a reply to: Grimpachi

Edit: Guess best to get back on topic.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
What is your excuse for the narcotics in the last clip?

Your not talking about that one with the coc aine on the table, was it?.. the video that was (and i might get this slightly inaccurate its been a while) from a live stream, and the original live streamed version of the video clearly shows nothing there... or if it wasnt from a live stream the date it was made wasnt in correlation with what the fake claimed. Cant fully remember but what i do remember was it gave me a good laugh seeing the attempt and how bad it was and so easily and quickly debunked lol.

The video that was debunked clearly and succinctly within hours of it being put up... months ago.

a reply to: BigfootNZ

Your not talking about that one with the coc aine on the table, was it?.

Nope. I am talking about the one where he videos himself spinning around in his chair acting loopy. That was back when I thought it was just rumors and it was plausible he was just fatigued. I posted it on here a few times for fun but never paid much attention to what was in the background. It was pointed out later.

h ttps://files.catbox.moe/emkmr4.mp4

a reply to: BigfootNZ

here are two links, one side by side on twitter, and the one on youtube.

Tweet

Zelensky talking to Musk

notice the phone next to his left hand, it's blurred in both side by side. now if who ever edited it and posted to where ever it was originally posted was smart enough to blur the phone, why in the hell leave the " coc aine " visible?

i'm thinking someone "Overlaid footage" or images in frames to fake it.

a reply to: Grimpachi


Did russia invade Ukraine to steal Zelinsky's imaginary coc aine?

Is that why russia thinks Poland is going to invade Ukraine?



Perhaps putin has gone even more mad than we already thought.

A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person’s argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person’s argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making.

Leading questions are asked when a preconceived answer is desired.

All these troll games are weak.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person’s argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making.

It also applies to someone ridiculing the original absurd Strawman.

Works pretty well when someone makes up stuff about coc aine in a thread about the absurd russian claims that Poland is going to invade Ukraine, for example.