How the right embraced Russian disinformation about 'U.S. bioweapons labs' in Ukraine

a reply to: flice

" One can only wonder why not keep their # on their own turf. "

Because it is Illegal on U.S. Soil .

originally posted by: flice
a reply to: vNex92

Not only that... yes, the US has many biolabs around the world funded by the DoD. One can only wonder why not keep their # on their own turf.
Anyways... most of those other places are a lab here and there.

In Ukraine, why so many?

Im left wing btw... Im just sensitive to lying governments regardless of side. I think it's utterly unbecoming to not be completely transparent.

I was just remembering one minute ago, the new liberals/progressives/fake left in the US have been brainwashed to think that questioning the government, CIA, FBI, media, and now big tech/pharma are "right wing talking points." It couldn't be farther from the truth. From the 50's-70's, the CIA targeted leftist groups abroad, and the FBI targeted anti war, civil rights, and leftist groups (including the Black Panthers) through cointelpro. The hippy movement was against these wars, the media, and "big brother." Etc on and on. The LEFT used to be critical of major corporations and their influence, and now are blindly defending big tech and pharma. I'm old enough to remember the 2000's under Bush when still liberals and the left offered these critiques. The change is bizarre. Honestly, they've been psy-opped.

I find it to be one of the saddest things to me of the last few years, socially, to watch "liberals" apparently forget all of these leftist critiques, and basically embrace big brother.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit


That appears to be fauxi's reason for gof in china.

That was cdc, NOT Defense & State, and it was done secretly and lied about, DoD did what they did in Ukraine PUBLICLY.

They installed monitoring systems in Ukrainian labs.

a reply to: mcsnacks77


One, lying is NOT justification for invading anyone, or russia would have long ago disappeared.

Along with the democrat party

Bee - Check your sources, you are repeating BS propaganda.

111 - clintons and obama were utter scum, back then and still today. Put them on trial if you want, my side has been demanding exactly that for almost 30 years.. Not justification for invasion.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u


" Russia demands US explain bio labs in Ukraine "



twitter.com... _url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fposts%2Fdata-on-us-biolabs-in-ukraine-shows-instrument-of-direct-threat-russian-foreign-ministry%2F

a reply to: Zanti Misfit


Infowars?

Is this supposed to be a source on something?

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The SOURCE is Twitter . Duh ?

They are buying it because even tonight Tucker is claiming that Biden is:

"funding a number of secret bio labs in Ukraine" conducting "experiments on highly dangerous pathogens."

So, tell the right that Biden is working with Ukraine to kill everyone and the Patriots get all riled up. You know that the majority believes his words as gospel.

originally posted by: vNex92

Muh blame Russia if something happens in the world look the other way...

Right now is it OK to blame Russia for their invasion? lol

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
Russia, in the process of an unjust war of aggression killing women and kids, will not be able to distract attention from their crimes with this phony story. But they’ll try and useful idiots from the right, who only want to hurt Biden will offer themselves to help Russia. And there are useful idiots from the left too like Glen Greenwald.
Here’s a FOX News reporter, who hardly can be accused of being a lefty, straitening one of the useful idiots out
www.washingtonpost.com...

This isn’t about right or left or grudge politics, but good and evil. And some folks, even when children are dying just can’t keep things out of politics.

Shame on them, though they have no shame

Oh yeah? Prove that Russia is doing this and not Ukraine itself or that anyone is dying at the hands of Russians right now. There is zero legit proof. It is all hearsay. Ukraine is on the level of palestine right now with their fakey fakey BS. But go ahead, believe whatever they tell you because Ukraine is sooo honest and upstanding.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: mcsnacks77


One, lying is NOT justification for invading anyone, or russia would have long ago disappeared.

Along with the democrat party

Bee - Check your sources, you are repeating BS propaganda.

111 - clintons and obama were utter scum, back then and still today. Put them on trial if you want, my side has been demanding exactly that for almost 30 years.. Not justification for invasion.

Who are any of us in the states to say that Russia is not justified in 'invading' Ukraine. They have every right to defend themselves if they feel that is necessary.

And quite frankly, I am glad this is happening. A lot of dirt on Ukraine is being forced to the surface, that can no longer be ignored.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

You reference no proof of Russia lying. I referenced 30 years of it by the US and EU. What do you do to a someone that you don’t like or trust that keeps lying to you about trusting them? You keep saying stay back and they say ok but then start moving toward you. If you do nothing then by the time you realize they mean harm it’s too late and your dead. This is called a buffer zone. Another analogy: imagine you are sitting in your driveway and two dogs come up on to the road wagging their tails, but you know that the dogs are dangerous because they have attacked people in the past a lot of them. You yell and say get back and they move a little. Now would you lay down and go to sleep with those to killer dogs a few feet away from you in the road but not on your property? Or would you chase them away but that means you are going to have to go into the road to do that which is dangerous but will let you sleep better at night?
Seeing things in the right context helps you understand the world better.

a reply to: shaemac

Seems the brainwashing of them has been a success by the media. It wasn’t too long ago,2017, that the EU put a statement out that the EU couldn’t give government contracts to the Ukrainians because of rampant corruption in the government. Now they are sending this same corrupted government billions and expect a good outcome. I’ll bet the citizens will benefit from less than 5% of that money. The crooks in Ukraine government, as stated by the EU government in 2017,not me, will keep enriching themselves illegally. So many facts that people refuse to accept. I don’t support any of them, Russia, US, or the EU and the citizens of the world shouldnt either by sending money or letting it be ok their governments are doing it. People in the military should know better. Letting the US or EU militarily train citizens and officials in Ukraine always comes back to hurt their own citizens. Radicals end up getting trained who then use it to carry out attacks around the world against innocent civilians. The Vietnamese did it, the Iraqians, the Afghans, the Israelis, the Iranians, the list goes on and on.

a reply to: shaemac


While I share most of the sentiment, and don't want the U.S. involved in any way, I also don't want my country doing business with a country that neighbor invades for sport.

biden should go back to his basement and not make another statement about russia or Ukraine until it's over.

Almost seems like he's trying to drag us into it.

Same with idiots on both sides calling for no fly zone.

a reply to: mcsnacks77


You actually need examples of russia lying?

Plleeeasssssseeee.

Take a look at why we cancelled a few defense. treaties recently.

russia was lying the ENTIRE time.

Or just last month when russia promised the world that they weren't going to invade Ukraine.

a reply to: mcsnacks77

Your right your just using the wrong analogy. This would be like you and your neighbor getting in an argument. You to exchange words. Later that day you become worried that your neighbor may do something to your property. To prevent this you get a 12 gauge kick in his door and kill everyone in the house.

That is exactly what's happening here Puttin is kicking in the door and killing people.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Maybe that fear of Macron and similar about Russians getting their DNA is just another preparation in twisting the narrative.

You know, accuse the others of what you are doing. Complete gaslighting.

a reply to: dragonridr

But remember when you kick in the neighbors door the house is loaded with weapons and there’s a meth lab being used where the fence is that divides yours and his house.
Sounds like you are doing all the other neighbors a favor by killing everyone in the house. How is the neighborhood supposed to feel safe with Mr. Ukraine heavily armed and methed out of his mind? Thank you Mr. Russia now the neighborhood can sleep at night without worrying about Mr Ukraine and his buddies Mr.USA and Mr. EUROPE blowing the neighborhood up.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Russia doesn’t make promises. It makes deals. If you do this then when won’t do that. If you don’t do that then we will do this. When one side breaks their part of the deal then the other does the same.

The United States has repeatedly declared the Western Hemisphere to be off-limits to other great powers and has threatened or used force on numerous occasions to make that declaration stick. During the Cold War, for example, the Reagan administration was so alarmed by the revolution in Nicaragua (a country whose population was smaller than New York City’s) that it organized a rebel army to overthrow the ruling socialist Sandinistas. If Americans could worry that much about a tiny country like Nicaragua, why was it so hard to understand why Russia might have some serious misgivings about the steady movement of the world’s mightiest alliance toward its borders?
Russia’s doubts increased when the United States invaded Iraq in 2003—a decision that showed a certain willful disregard for international law—and even more after the Obama administration exceeded the authority of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 and helped oust Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi in 2011. Russia had abstained on the resolution—which authorized protecting civilians but not regime change—and former U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates later commented that “the Russians felt they had been played for suckers.” These and other incidents help explain why Moscow is now insisting on written guarantees.

Opponents of NATO enlargement were quick to warn that Russia would inevitably regard enlargement as a threat and going ahead with it would poison relations with Moscow. That is why several prominent U.S. experts—including diplomat George Kennan, author Michael Mandelbaum, and former defense secretary William Perry—opposed enlargement from the start.Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott and former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger were initially opposed for the same reasons, though both later shifted their positions and joined the pro-enlargement bandwagon.

Moreover, they insisted that NATO’s benign intentions were self-evident and it would be easy to persuade Moscow not to worry as NATO crept closer to the Russian border. This view was naive in the extreme, for the key issue was not what NATO’s intentions may have been in reality. What really mattered, of course, was what Russia’s leaders thought they were or might be in the future. Even if Russian leaders could have been convinced that NATO had no malign intentions, they could never be sure this would always be the case.

The next misstep was the Bush administration’s decision to nominate Georgia and Ukraine for NATO membership at the 2008 Bucharest Summit. Former U.S. National Security Council official Fiona Hill recently revealed that the U.S. intelligence community opposed this step but then-U.S. President George W. Bush ignored its objections for reasons that have never been fully explained. The timing of the move was especially odd because neither Ukraine nor Georgia was close to meeting the criteria for membership in 2008 and other NATO members opposed including them. As political scientist Samuel Charap stated: “[T]his declaration was the worst of all worlds. It provided no increased security to Ukraine and Georgia, but reinforced Moscow’s view that NATO was set on incorporating them.” No wonder former U.S. ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder described the 2008 decision as NATO’s “cardinal sin.”

The next round came in 2013 and 2014. With Ukraine’s economy staggering, then-Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych encouraged a bidding war between the European Union and Russia for economic help. His subsequent decision to reject an accession agreement negotiated with the EU and accept a more lucrative offer from Russia triggered the Euromaidan protests that ultimately led to his ousting. U.S. officials tilted visibly in favor of the protesters and participated actively in the effort to pick Yanukovych’s successor, thereby lending credence to Russian fears that this was a Western-sponsored color revolution. Remarkably, officials in Europe and the United States never seemed to have asked themselves whether Russia might object to this outcome or what it might do to derail it. As a result, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the seizure of Crimea and backed Russian-speaking separatist movements in Ukraine’s eastern provinces, plunging the country into a frozen conflict that persists to this day.
Putin is not solely responsible for the ongoing crisis over Ukraine, and moral outrage over his actions or character is not a strategy. Nor are more and tougher sanctions going to cause him to surrender to Western demands. Unpleasant as it may be, the United States and its allies need to recognize that Ukraine’s geopolitical alignment is a vital interest for Russia—one it is willing to use force to defend—and this is not because Putin happens to be a ruthless autocrat with a nostalgic fondness for the old Soviet past. Great powers are never indifferent to the geostrategic forces arrayed on their borders, and Russia would care deeply about Ukraine’s political alignment even if someone else were in charge. U.S. and European unwillingness to accept this basic reality is a major reason the world is in this mess today.

originally posted by: flice

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: vNex92

What labs? What evidence? You mean the Ukraine labs, that are under Ukraine control?

Now confirmed funded for construction and design by the US DoD in 2010 - 2012.

Notice how I didn't say "biowarfare"...

OK folks here is a CIA whistleblower on Art Bell a few years back. God rest Art's soul.



Laying out how deep the rabbit hole goes at that time.