Trudeau's 'Conversion Therapy' Bill ENDS Parents' Right To Parent in Canada

Do you also think parents should be able to beat their kids with no legal repercussions.

Because that's pretty much what you're arguing for if you believe parents should be able to subject their children to conversion therapy.

Conversion therapy is psychological (and in some cases physical) torture that only succeeds in causing depression and suicidal ideation.

If we were in a state of war and a country used the techniques conversion therapy employs on their POWs they would be found in violation of the Geneva Convention. But you think parents should be allowed to use those techniques on children? If so, I really hope you don't have any kids.

The term reparative therapy has been used as a synonym for conversion therapy in general, but it has been argued that, strictly speaking, it refers to a specific kind of therapy associated with the psychologists Elizabeth Moberly and Joseph Nicolosi .Techniques that were used in the past in the United States and Western Europe have included ice-pick lobotomies; chemical castration with hormonal treatment; aversive treatments, such as "the application of electric shock to the hands and/or genitals"; "nausea-inducing drugs ... administered simultaneously with the presentation of homoerotic stimuli"; and masturbatory reconditioning.

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That's why it's being banned. Abusive conversion methods are not ok.

Since this all has to do with sexual preference, that means to be fare no parent can try to convince their kid in any way to refrain from having sex even if it is Heterosexual. If you make a rule for one you make a rule for all. Since the parents don't have control of their kids anymore since the government can twist any punishment into an act of retaliation for their sexual preference, shouldn't the government pay the people for room and board and all expenses of the kid? Or maybe the government should take their kid and put IT in an orphanage which in itself would be punishment for being gay.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

The thing about conversion therapy is that it saves lives. I'd rather see gays be permitted to seek psychological reassignment in a clinical setting than self destruct. Not everyone wants to be gay. To imagine a transvestite would be denied choice is rather unthinkable in today's 'defy you to say otherwise' political climate.

Those who have lost unhappy gay friends understand the need for life saving supports. This legislation isn't there to help the gay community.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I had my granddaughter living with us and she told me I could not go in her room one time because there were legal rules about parents or legal guardians entering a teenagers room with out permission. When she got back from school, I had taken her door off...she was shocked. She finally did start to discuss things, I said that the door being closed was the issue, if I thought she might have drugs, I was not supposed to go in and check if the door was closed if that was the case. I told her no way was that going to happen. She said she was all right in letting me go in after that discussion and I put her door back on. Kids at school were passing around BS that parents had no rights. I told her that I was her grandpa, not her parents, she could go back and live with them with their stricter rules if she wasn't going to follow the rules.

a reply to: ConcernedCanadian

Sorry but research shows that even those who willingly choose to undergo conversion therapy tend to end up suffering from depression.

a reply to: rickymouse

What does that have to do with physical and mental torture?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ConcernedCanadian

Sorry but research shows that even those who willingly choose to undergo conversion therapy tend to end up suffering from depression.

No need to apoologize to me for this genocidal anti gay legislation? I didn't write it and wouldn't endorse it as a gay man.

a reply to: TzarChasm

You

paranoia is toxic

Then what is truth?

Such as the stage oppression by Jussie Smollett?

Sorry you cannot see the bigger picture.

On a more serious note. If conversion is useless, and children are going to be who they will be. Then all this forcing children into gender neutral world is meaningless.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

You are ignoring the vague words written in the proposed law.

I personally am against conversion therapy, but I also see some brain washing going the other direction so why not write a law about brain washing children and their sexuality? (also doesnt Canada have laws about child abuse already?)

Are you ok with pushing things like little boys are just future rapists, or that young men should be ashamed of being masculine?

Lastly... anytime the Govt gets involved at a parent/child level they almost certainly dick it up and just transfer power up the chain away from families.

originally posted by: ConcernedCanadian

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ConcernedCanadian

Sorry but research shows that even those who willingly choose to undergo conversion therapy tend to end up suffering from depression.

No need to apoologize to me for this genocidal anti gay legislation? I didn't write it and wouldn't endorse it as a gay man.

I don't understand. Are you saying that conversion therapy is pro-LGBTQ? Do you think that conversion therapy supports the LGBTQ perspective?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: ConcernedCanadian

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ConcernedCanadian

Sorry but research shows that even those who willingly choose to undergo conversion therapy tend to end up suffering from depression.

No need to apoologize to me for this genocidal anti gay legislation? I didn't write it and wouldn't endorse it as a gay man.

I don't understand. Are you saying that conversion therapy is pro-LGBTQ? Do you think that conversion therapy supports the LGBTQ perspective?

You may assume from my comment whatever you like. My statement is clear. This is a brick wall and a barricade and folks are going to run into that face first. Wasn't written for gays. I'm against it 100%

a reply to: ConcernedCanadian

Cleat as mud.

Wasn't written for gays.

I think it was written for parents, raising gay kids, who might go to torturous lengths deny their child's gender/sexual identity.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ConcernedCanadian

Cleat as mud.

Wasn't written for gays.

I think it was written for parents, raising gay kids, who might go to torturous lengths deny their child's gender/sexual identity.

Cutting off a lifeline isn't ok by me.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
If you're objecting to this legislation, it's because you were planning to subject your child (or someone's children) to years of traumatising brain washing tactics. If you weren't planning to do any such thing, then this legislation has nothing to do with you and you can move on with your life.

originally posted by: DINSTAAR
My issue is that they only seem to indicate that this is a problem only if going from non-straight to straight. Children can be tricked into saying darn near anything so this definitely seems like it will hurt more than help. They assume it is abuse to brainwash a gay child into being straight but they seem to be clueless how that could happen the other way around and are preventing people from correcting that when it does.

Anyone can just proclaim any child to be gay or trans and then rip them from their parents.

When you have activists teaching kids, this will occur very often.

Canada has a long history of taking children away from their parents and brainwashing them in abusive state schools, just ask a native (first nation or whatever the hell you canucks call them now).

-D

It says "conversion therapy services" which suggests a routine aimed at a specific audience as part of a paid or community volunteer program advertised to reeducate their "patients" (in this case, children).

No.

There is such a thing as pediatric gender dysphoria, and yes it can and should be treated.
The PARENTS of those kids know BEST.


NOT YOU!!
The PARENTS that brought that kid in the world that are lovingly doing this are doing it to prevent THEIR child from being subjected to genital mutilation and years of traumatising brain washing tactics by sick members of the LGBT community.

Not YOUR KID!
YOU are just looking for self-validation, scoring political points or worse, sex grooming kids.

PARENTS love their own kids.
NOT YOU !!!

originally posted by: rickymouse
.....shouldn't the government pay the people for room and board and all expenses of the kid? Or maybe the government should take their kid and put IT in an orphanage which in itself would be punishment for being gay.

....Aaanddd full 360 degrees.
Back to Residential schools run by government.


Did not work out well the last time....

The bill doesn’t go far enough it needs to protect everyone.

So disgusting that such discrimination can exist as this law fails to protect the vast majority of kids who are not queer or trans from being turned into such.

If it protected everyone equally I could get behind it but like all modern Canadian revaluation it’s steeped in double speak discrimination.

We have to treat natives differently under the law It’s the law and we have to discriminate protections based solely on friction preference.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Using the same law, then . . .
circumcision should be made illegal. After all,
forcing a change without consent of the child . . .
They should be careful what they wish for

a reply to: DINSTAAR

One is left to wonder just how often that has happened, is happening, and will happen.

Not just in Canada, either.