Stop using the term 'Anti Vaxx'

originally posted by: NorthOfStuff

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: NorthOfStuff

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: NorthOfStuff

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: sciencelol

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: sciencelol
I Was never anti vax until this vax.

Now I am anti all vaxes. I believe they cause autism

Are you being serious? If so, that claim was thoroughly debunked about the MMR jab when that nonsense was spread.

Debunked by who? The same people who say this vax is safe and effective?

Or CNN

CNN? I'm a Brit.

By just about everyone, actually. FYI:

www.england.nhs.uk...

Have you noticed how many of these articles refer to experts and “experts” like the article you posted?

I’m not sure how we are to get to the truth of the matter with articles and “peer reviewed papers” when the only experts and peers that are taken seriously and allowed to contribute are the ones that agree with the narrative.

As soon as a peer or author step outside the narrative they are deemed to be pseudoscientists and anti-vaxers.

This is unhealthy science. True science encourages opposition to ideas and established norms. This is how progress and discovery is achieved.

Science is supposed to be one big ongoing argument that should constantly improve knowledge and innovation.

I don’t see this happening right now.

Then why don't you provide some argument about what that link says? Or anything? Scientific or otherwise?

I’m afraid that I could only provide information from “Pseudoscientists and Ani-Vaxers”. They have been deemed unreliable by their opposition in the scientific community and the media.

What’s the point as I already know that will be the counter argument?

FWIW I’m not convinced either way regarding MNRA medication causing autism but I sure would be interested in hearing open discussion from both sides without the media, big pharma, and government pushing their opinions and agenda which muddies the waters and encourages a one sided narrative.

The undisputed fact that pharma has caused a lot of damage and harm in the past would be a good starting point to develop a starting hypothesis.

After all, in the Regan era, didn’t pharma threaten to stop producing vaccines unless they could be relieved of liability due to all the law suits from damages caused?

It was MMR that I was talking about.

But I’m still interested on your take on the current scientific climate and how, by stifling experts that know far more than you and I about their field, we are ever going to get to the truth of the matter.

Very few scientific discoveries become a Law. Many remain a theory hundreds of years after their discovery.

What makes vaccine theory so different and immune to critique?

Look up Jenner, the father of vaccines. Stood the test of time.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Not everyone who choses not to get vaccinated is anti vax .

However its a convenient shorthand for those who post lies, misinformation and completely made bollocks about vaccines.

Since there are plenty of those in this site I will continue to use the term, thanks all the same.

Some folks are anti-vaxx in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
And some folks are anti- fact in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
The latter cannot make up their own minds so therefore they have to rely on government , the media , and their neighbors to tell them what to do .

Anti vaxers are anti fact. It's kind of their thing .

You can make up your own mind but you don't get to make up your own facts . Something anti vaxers seem to have an issue with.

One has to look at facts from both sides and make a decision .
Not just listen to the folks mentioned.

Help Deny Ignorance .
Become informed .

Listening to facts is good. The facts are extremely clear in favour of vaccination.

What anti vaxers are selling isn't facts.

Then you haven't spent enough time in research .

Believing fact free bitchute videos and anti vax bull# isn't research.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Not everyone who choses not to get vaccinated is anti vax .

However its a convenient shorthand for those who post lies, misinformation and completely made bollocks about vaccines.

Since there are plenty of those in this site I will continue to use the term, thanks all the same.

Some folks are anti-vaxx in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
And some folks are anti- fact in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
The latter cannot make up their own minds so therefore they have to rely on government , the media , and their neighbors to tell them what to do .

Anti vaxers are anti fact. It's kind of their thing .

You can make up your own mind but you don't get to make up your own facts . Something anti vaxers seem to have an issue with.

One has to look at facts from both sides and make a decision .
Not just listen to the folks mentioned.

Help Deny Ignorance .
Become informed .

Listening to facts is good. The facts are extremely clear in favour of vaccination.

What anti vaxers are selling isn't facts.

Then you haven't spent enough time in research .

Believing fact free bitchute videos and anti vax bull# isn't research.

Unfortunately, it seems to be regarded as such on here.

🤕🧐

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: NorthOfStuff

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: NorthOfStuff

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: NorthOfStuff

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: sciencelol

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: sciencelol
I Was never anti vax until this vax.

Now I am anti all vaxes. I believe they cause autism

Are you being serious? If so, that claim was thoroughly debunked about the MMR jab when that nonsense was spread.

Debunked by who? The same people who say this vax is safe and effective?

Or CNN

CNN? I'm a Brit.

By just about everyone, actually. FYI:

www.england.nhs.uk...

Have you noticed how many of these articles refer to experts and “experts” like the article you posted?

I’m not sure how we are to get to the truth of the matter with articles and “peer reviewed papers” when the only experts and peers that are taken seriously and allowed to contribute are the ones that agree with the narrative.

As soon as a peer or author step outside the narrative they are deemed to be pseudoscientists and anti-vaxers.

This is unhealthy science. True science encourages opposition to ideas and established norms. This is how progress and discovery is achieved.

Science is supposed to be one big ongoing argument that should constantly improve knowledge and innovation.

I don’t see this happening right now.

Then why don't you provide some argument about what that link says? Or anything? Scientific or otherwise?

I’m afraid that I could only provide information from “Pseudoscientists and Ani-Vaxers”. They have been deemed unreliable by their opposition in the scientific community and the media.

What’s the point as I already know that will be the counter argument?

FWIW I’m not convinced either way regarding MNRA medication causing autism but I sure would be interested in hearing open discussion from both sides without the media, big pharma, and government pushing their opinions and agenda which muddies the waters and encourages a one sided narrative.

The undisputed fact that pharma has caused a lot of damage and harm in the past would be a good starting point to develop a starting hypothesis.

After all, in the Regan era, didn’t pharma threaten to stop producing vaccines unless they could be relieved of liability due to all the law suits from damages caused?

It was MMR that I was talking about.

But I’m still interested on your take on the current scientific climate and how, by stifling experts that know far more than you and I about their field, we are ever going to get to the truth of the matter.

Very few scientific discoveries become a Law. Many remain a theory hundreds of years after their discovery.

What makes vaccine theory so different and immune to critique?

Look up Jenner, the father of vaccines. Stood the test of time.

The Church stood the test of time before DaVinci.

Newton stood the test of time before Einstein.

And Pasteur was already deviating from Jenner’s definition of vaccine only a few years later.

My point is that the progress of science needs checks and balances in order to maintain the right path.

This is not happening at this point.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Not everyone who choses not to get vaccinated is anti vax .

However its a convenient shorthand for those who post lies, misinformation and completely made bollocks about vaccines.

Since there are plenty of those in this site I will continue to use the term, thanks all the same.

Some folks are anti-vaxx in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
And some folks are anti- fact in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
The latter cannot make up their own minds so therefore they have to rely on government , the media , and their neighbors to tell them what to do .

Anti vaxers are anti fact. It's kind of their thing .

You can make up your own mind but you don't get to make up your own facts . Something anti vaxers seem to have an issue with.

One has to look at facts from both sides and make a decision .
Not just listen to the folks mentioned.

Help Deny Ignorance .
Become informed .

Listening to facts is good. The facts are extremely clear in favour of vaccination.

What anti vaxers are selling isn't facts.

Then you haven't spent enough time in research .

Believing fact free bitchute videos and anti vax bull# isn't research.

I expected a response as such .
One failing in a debate always resorts to the above tactics.
The WHO , the CDC , and many epidemiologists have published a list of potential side effects.
Even my GP has informed me .
If one had done their research , they would know this .

Denying ignorance.
Why ?
Why do folks resort to ignorance ?

a reply to: v1rtu0s0
To be fair, it isn't possible to talk about a group of people without using a label of some kind. Not even to agree with them. If you don't like that label, come up with and try to popularise another one.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Not everyone who choses not to get vaccinated is anti vax .

However its a convenient shorthand for those who post lies, misinformation and completely made bollocks about vaccines.

Since there are plenty of those in this site I will continue to use the term, thanks all the same.

Some folks are anti-vaxx in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
And some folks are anti- fact in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
The latter cannot make up their own minds so therefore they have to rely on government , the media , and their neighbors to tell them what to do .

Anti vaxers are anti fact. It's kind of their thing .

You can make up your own mind but you don't get to make up your own facts . Something anti vaxers seem to have an issue with.

One has to look at facts from both sides and make a decision .
Not just listen to the folks mentioned.

Help Deny Ignorance .
Become informed .

Listening to facts is good. The facts are extremely clear in favour of vaccination.

What anti vaxers are selling isn't facts.

Then you haven't spent enough time in research .

Believing fact free bitchute videos and anti vax bull# isn't research.

I expected a response as such .
One failing in a debate always resorts to the above tactics.
The WHO , the CDC , and many epidemiologists have published a list of potential side effects.
Even my GP has informed me .
If one had done their research , they would know this .

Denying ignorance.
Why ?
Why do folks resort to ignorance ?

Can you quote where I said there were zero potential side effects?

While the actual research shows the risk of serious side effects is very low and massively outweighed by the benefits of being vaccinated for the majority of people.

Deny ignorance indeed.

I do agree with the overall point, not like everyone screamed shark, hissed at someone, or went apostate hunting with all the other shots pre covid.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Not everyone who choses not to get vaccinated is anti vax .

However its a convenient shorthand for those who post lies, misinformation and completely made bollocks about vaccines.

Since there are plenty of those in this site I will continue to use the term, thanks all the same.

Some folks are anti-vaxx in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
And some folks are anti- fact in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
The latter cannot make up their own minds so therefore they have to rely on government , the media , and their neighbors to tell them what to do .

Anti vaxers are anti fact. It's kind of their thing .

You can make up your own mind but you don't get to make up your own facts . Something anti vaxers seem to have an issue with.

One has to look at facts from both sides and make a decision .
Not just listen to the folks mentioned.

Help Deny Ignorance .
Become informed .

Listening to facts is good. The facts are extremely clear in favour of vaccination.

What anti vaxers are selling isn't facts.

Then you haven't spent enough time in research .

Believing fact free bitchute videos and anti vax bull# isn't research.

I expected a response as such .
One failing in a debate always resorts to the above tactics.
The WHO , the CDC , and many epidemiologists have published a list of potential side effects.
Even my GP has informed me .
If one had done their research , they would know this .

Denying ignorance.
Why ?
Why do folks resort to ignorance ?

I like to use the analogy of a crack head mailman.

Just because he’s an unreliable crack head you won’t get very far calling your utility company to let them know you won’t be paying your electric bill because you don’t trust the delivery medium.

An unreliable delivery medium does not verify that the message is not accurate. It may contribute to the argument but it certainly doesn’t stand alone without a critique of the message.

But hey, this is the new logic that accompanies the new science.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Not everyone who choses not to get vaccinated is anti vax .

However its a convenient shorthand for those who post lies, misinformation and completely made bollocks about vaccines.

Since there are plenty of those in this site I will continue to use the term, thanks all the same.

Some folks are anti-vaxx in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
And some folks are anti- fact in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
The latter cannot make up their own minds so therefore they have to rely on government , the media , and their neighbors to tell them what to do .

Anti vaxers are anti fact. It's kind of their thing .

You can make up your own mind but you don't get to make up your own facts . Something anti vaxers seem to have an issue with.

One has to look at facts from both sides and make a decision .
Not just listen to the folks mentioned.

Help Deny Ignorance .
Become informed .

Listening to facts is good. The facts are extremely clear in favour of vaccination.

What anti vaxers are selling isn't facts.

Then you haven't spent enough time in research .

Believing fact free bitchute videos and anti vax bull# isn't research.

I expected a response as such .
One failing in a debate always resorts to the above tactics.
The WHO , the CDC , and many epidemiologists have published a list of potential side effects.
Even my GP has informed me .
If one had done their research , they would know this .

Denying ignorance.
Why ?
Why do folks resort to ignorance ?

Can you quote where I said there were zero potential side effects?

While the actual research shows the risk of serious side effects is very low and massively outweighed by the benefits of being vaccinated for the majority of people.

Deny ignorance indeed.

The post was not meant for that .
First , reread your post.
Then reread my post and learn the term research .
You spoke of bitchute .
Media is just an outlet .
It is the source of the article that counts.
Even the most ignorant amongst us can surprise with a bit of wisdom every now and then .

a reply to: oddnutz

Gobsmacked describes it nicely.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: ketsuko

Well, goose, gander, and all that.

Drug pusher is an accurate description for those trying to force others to take the Covid vaccines. I'd like to see the term become more popular.

Can you show where I have ever attempted to force others to take a vaccine?

Let's make it easy, you cant because I haven't , so you are lying

You see now why my first post was accurate.

I haven't seen anyone who is against every vaccine in existence, either. But that doesn't stop people who are opposed to taking the Covid drugs being labeled as anti-vax. At best, the term is inaccurate.

As long as that term is being used, however, I see no reason not to use the term drug pusher for those who champion using coercion to force people to take the Covid drugs.

Goose, gander, anti-vaxxer, drug pusher.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Not everyone who choses not to get vaccinated is anti vax .

However its a convenient shorthand for those who post lies, misinformation and completely made bollocks about vaccines.

Since there are plenty of those in this site I will continue to use the term, thanks all the same.

Some folks are anti-vaxx in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
And some folks are anti- fact in respect to the experimental Covid vax .
The latter cannot make up their own minds so therefore they have to rely on government , the media , and their neighbors to tell them what to do .

Anti vaxers are anti fact. It's kind of their thing .

You can make up your own mind but you don't get to make up your own facts . Something anti vaxers seem to have an issue with.

One has to look at facts from both sides and make a decision .
Not just listen to the folks mentioned.

Help Deny Ignorance .
Become informed .

Listening to facts is good. The facts are extremely clear in favour of vaccination.

What anti vaxers are selling isn't facts.

Then you haven't spent enough time in research .

Believing fact free bitchute videos and anti vax bull# isn't research.

I expected a response as such .
One failing in a debate always resorts to the above tactics.
The WHO , the CDC , and many epidemiologists have published a list of potential side effects.
Even my GP has informed me .
If one had done their research , they would know this .

Denying ignorance.
Why ?
Why do folks resort to ignorance ?

Can you quote where I said there were zero potential side effects?

While the actual research shows the risk of serious side effects is very low and massively outweighed by the benefits of being vaccinated for the majority of people.

Deny ignorance indeed.

The research you say?

But the evidence insists otherwise.

Biased research is biased.

a reply to: Gothmog

Excuse my response in haste..sippin on some
good wine

My happiness is not determined by someone else.

Love your comment. It truly invalidates and terminates
every argument towards infringement of personal
autonomy and freedoms.

I suspect your detractors subconsciously
subscribe to the following ideas..

“The end may justify the means as long as there
is something that justifies the end.” ― Leon Trotsky

I also suspect their counterpose arguments against
individual choice fail to understand FREEDOM of
individual life in how a person's chooses to live,
is an indispensable element for the functioning
of representative democracy.

These enablers are unaware the wanna-be vaccine
is a guise for destroying democracy, while
surreptitiously replacing it with a
pseudo-communistic oligarchy.

When a man or woman refuses SELF GOVERNMENT,
by default they open the door to dictatorship.

a reply to: DeathSlayer


Sorry but that is a straight up lie.

I am a Mortician who keeps in contact with many Morticians globally ( especially during this time ), As the vaccination went out in different countries ( so quite a few different ones ) there was no rise in death rates. In fact we are in a bit of a slump.

They have seemed to have killed a few people,( mainly blood clots in the first batches ) but kind of hard to tell with most as so many unhealthy people around. So really the only way to tell is do the raw figures.

IF people like you were telling the truth, we would have seen an ever increasing number of deaths overall from 12 months ago. This simply has not happened.


I mean you do realize people are going to figure out you are dishonest when they are NOT going to lots of Funerals right ? I mean they will be noticing that right now.

You do really paint yourself into corners with statements like that. As you can not say you meant something else, or you were confused. No, just good old fashioned making up lies to scare people. Pathetic.

a reply to: MrBlaq

Excuse my response in haste

No excuse needed .
I agree with most everything you stated .

But no drug has zero side effects. It is why we say we take the vaccination at our own risk ( risk being the operative word ) because we value others lives enough to take that risk.

If people ever say something is "safe".... Assuming it is an adult to adult conversation. It always mean "relatively safe " ..Like I would tell you my car is safe. Or walking to the shops is safe.

The relative part is assumed by adults because of life experience.

Only a Child would think anything is 100% safe. Because they believe in magic and other illogical / impossible principles.


So if you hear an adult complain a drug is not 100% safe, you KNOW they are not a mature reality based individual. Maybe someone with very limited engagement with the real world.




a reply to: Dalamax

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: v1rtu0s0
It is a vax, just a new kind.

When the topic of a thread is the covid and/or covid vaccines, it is a given that the term refers to those types and not necessarily others, although there are those who are against these and those.

Much ado about nothing.

Only in America will idiots change the definition of their own language.
Nobody else in the world does this.

Maybe it is because Americans took their language from other people in the world so they have zero respect for it - just like leftists w/ other people's money - and do as they please with it.

No. This injection is NOT a vaccine. I have an old school dictionary. A big ol' heavy book. IT IS NOT A VACCINE. You CANNOT change the definition of a word to fit a narrative. THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.