The Fight for Election Integrity Continues -- Audits, Criminal Investigations, Legislative Reform

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: IndieA
Here's a bunch of affidavits regarding counterfeit ballots being found in Georgia.

These are old, but I just found them on Garland Favorito's VoterGA website.

Affidavits

Sorry, those are obviously fake/invalid/lies because they've all been tossed out by the courts.

Some affidavits are not valid with possible crime cases, for a number of reasons. Just like some UFO reports are not.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: tanstaafl

I understand what you're saying. However for example an affidavit that states "something fishy" how can you possibly submit that as proof. Even if you believe something was fishy, you would have to state what occurred was fraudulent to proceed. Facts are needed. Same with a number. If they state 140% of Detroit voted(just using this as an example, not accurate) but the actual verifiable number is 80%, these affidavits are frivolous and incorrect from the jump.

To be honest, what I think actually happened is the very people conducting the fraud informed (by which I mean fed information to) Trump of their intention. But did so in a way where he would have no idea how it was going to happen.

As skillful as Trump was in certain areas, I think he lacked somewhat in emotional sophistication. He's too trusting. Like it just never occurred to him anyone would be that devious. His lack of emotional sophistication was clear in the debate with Biden, where Biden easily manipulated him into acting the part of the bully, by pretending to debate badly about the actual topics, and letting Trump get angry about it. On some levels it's actually true that Trump is emotionally a child. It's part of what endeared him to voters, but .... sadly.... it was also his downfall.

Just like everything else in those months, Trump took the bait on fraud. Thought he had "reliable information" there would be some kind of fraud, and ran with it. But in the process he pursued multiple contradictory narratives, many of which proved to be easy to refute.

Does that mean there wasn't fraud? No. But it means a lot of public credibility was lost early on, and that stuff is hard to get back.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: carewemust

Let's get the former President indicted, so he can either present that evidence, or accept the appropriate punishment.

Well, I'll be damned. I'm proud of you for this....that's the right attitude to have.

Has any evidence that could actually prove wrongdoing , even been presented yet?

So far we've got him saying people should "fight like hell".......words which other leaders have spoken on other occasions, not intending any violence to occur. So how do you prove that, this specific occasion, it meant violence?

Seriously if this were a criminal court case for any normal person, the defense attorney would have it thrown out.

There is no obligation for a defendant to present evidence if the state has failed to make its case.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

Has any evidence that could actually prove wrongdoing , even been presented yet?

Not the point. The point was, its the right attitude to have...at least be open to knowing that the former president could actually be guilty of the things being vocalized.

a reply to: alphabetaone

Because that's how beliefs are fostered?

Is this the church of TDS we are talking about?

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

Has any evidence that could actually prove wrongdoing , even been presented yet?

Not the point. The point was, its the right attitude to have...at least be open to knowing that the former president could actually be guilty of the things being vocalized.

My theory is if he were guilty at all they would have proven it by now. We would have seen some slam dunk evidence.

These guys are really determined to find something. To believe Trump could hide evidence well enough to leave them this badly in the lurch, and still be guilty. My goodness you are giving him a lot of credit!!!!

You must think he's the greatest criminal genius in all of history.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Not the point. The point was, its the right attitude to have...at least be open to knowing that the former president could actually be guilty of the things being vocalized.

That isn't what he was saying, actually...

But yeah, I can see why you would prefer to see it that way.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

But yeah, I can see why ̶y̶o̶u̶ any reasonable person would prefer to see it that way.

Fixed that for ya

originally posted by: alphabetaone
a reply to: tanstaafl

Fixed that for ya so it wouldn't trigger me

Jovan Pulitzer will be doing a forensic testimony in Arizona June 27th from 6pm to 9pm PST.

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I'm not sure how to watch it yet. Stay tuned.

The release of the documentary Selection Code, has been moved from July 16th to August 22nd.
This documentary will cover Mesa county's Tina Peters' story and document the election machine venerabilities.

Selection Code

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

Has any evidence that could actually prove wrongdoing , even been presented yet?

Not the point. The point was, its the right attitude to have...at least be open to knowing that the former president could actually be guilty of the things being vocalized.

Every one of us is INNOCENT, unless proven guilty, or we admit our guilt (like Joe Biden did in October 2020).

originally posted by: IndieA
Jovan Pulitzer will be doing a forensic testimony in Arizona June 27th from 6pm to 9pm PST.

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I'm not sure how to watch it yet. Stay tuned.

The more eyes on this, the better! Will be important when the Republican-led hearings begin next Winter. Thank-you for the head's up. BTW...I hope thread-starter Boadicea is OK.

a reply to: carewemust

What's that got to do with anything? Presumed innocence has nothing to do with being open to the possibility that someone could be guilty.

Do you really need this logic gate explained to you?

Good morning y'all -- I'm just popping in to apologize for going AWOL. Between a delayed reaction to antibiotics and an antibiotic resistant infection, I got knocked on my ass! I think the worst is behind me. I hope and pray it is. I'm now under strict orders to get plenty of rest, gain weight back and get some strength back.... and no politics!!! The first three are doctors orders... the last is from family. I don't have the energy to argue (yet!). And I sure don't want to piss off the people taking care of me.... give me some time and I'll be back.

Indie -- THANK YOU!!! I haven't caught up with the thread yet, just kinda skimmed it, but I appreciate your updates. I'll look forward to reading it all properly soon.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
a reply to: carewemust

What's that got to do with anything? Presumed innocence has nothing to do with being open to the possibility that someone could be guilty.

Do you really need this logic gate explained to you?

You have a reading/comprehension problem...

He never said he was open to the possibility that Trump. What he said was:

"Let's get the former President indicted, so he can either present that evidence, or accept the appropriate punishment."

All that means is, let's charge him so that he will have the full power of the court to compel evidence, and require that they provide all of their evidence, so that everyone can see who is telling the truth.

They will never do this for obvious reasons: it would end with them in jail and Trump vindicated.

Of course, the one other thing it means is that, yes, if.... IF... solid evidence was presented that Trump was guilty of one or more crimes, then he would also support Trump being punished according to the limits of the law.

That is all.

a reply to: Boadicea

Best wishes for a swift return to health.

Cheers

originally posted by: Boadicea
Good morning y'all -- I'm just popping in to apologize for going AWOL. Between a delayed reaction to antibiotics and an antibiotic resistant infection, I got knocked on my ass! I think the worst is behind me.

Glad you're feeling better, but...

Please research high dose IV vitamin C. It is cheap, easy, and most importantly, can save your life, even in the most extreme cases. I just wish you could do it yourself and not have to find someone qualified to administer it, but you do.

Second best is to get a bunch of real Liposomal C (from Livon Labs, available from Amazon). It will work almost as well, and almost as fast, but IV is the fastest and most effective for critical conditions.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

You have a reading/comprehension problem...

No i dont. What does indict mean? To charge someone with a purported crime or offense. That means, the core belief is that someone may have committed a crime or offense. You don't indict someone whom you don't believe has committed such offense or crime.

At least as far as the justice system is concerned.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
a reply to: tanstaafl

No i dont.

Yes, you do. You're simply too blinded by your TDS to see it.

What does indict mean? To charge someone with a purported crime or offense.

Yes... but...

That means, the core belief is that someone may have committed a crime or offense.

It could mean that, yes...

But it could also mean that the core belief is the desire for the legal system to kick in and provide the accused the tools to prove not only their innocence, but that the accusers are false, and guilty of that which they are accusing you of.

Based on cwe's posting history, which do you think is the more likely case?

You don't indict someone whom you don't believe has committed such offense or crime.

At least as far as the justice system is concerned.

Unless you want to force the issue and employ all of the tools available to one who has been indicted,

but more importantly...

What does the fact that Trump hasn't been indicted after 7+ years of being falsely accused of all kinds of heinous crimes say about those who are constantly accusing him of said crimes?

originally posted by: Boadicea
Good morning y'all -- I'm just popping in to apologize for going AWOL. Between a delayed reaction to antibiotics and an antibiotic resistant infection, I got knocked on my ass! I think the worst is behind me. I hope and pray it is. I'm now under strict orders to get plenty of rest, gain weight back and get some strength back.... and no politics!!! The first three are doctors orders... the last is from family. I don't have the energy to argue (yet!). And I sure don't want to piss off the people taking care of me.... give me some time and I'll be back.

Indie -- THANK YOU!!! I haven't caught up with the thread yet, just kinda skimmed it, but I appreciate your updates. I'll look forward to reading it all properly soon.

Thanks for the update.

It's good to hear from you. Sorry to hear that you had gotten so sick, but glad to hear that you are on the mend. Get fully well soon.