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for the hundred time/ the vaccine CANNOT STOP OR PREVENT COVID

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posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 02:13 AM
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I think its time to BLUNTLY put out the following fact(s) about the vaccine.

the biggest is THE VACCINE CANNOT PREVENT YOU FROM CATCHING OR TRANSMITTING THE VIRUS.

the added fact to this is IT WILL NOT KILL THE VIRUS .

I have been hearing OVER AND OVER not only on posters here but in main stream media that you need to be vaccinated to ....
a. prevent the spread of the virus
b. to protect others form the virus
c. to lessen the spread of the virus.

The cold hard fact is due to the nature of the corona family of viruses (to which covid is a member) like its ability to mutate relatively quickly and its large existence in nature that you can NEVER KILL IT OFF..

the vaccine DOES NOT HAVE THIS ABLILITY.

Even the manufacture information (ALL OF THEM) on the vaccine that its main function (IF IT WORKS AS PREDICTED) is to
a. lessen the effects/symptoms from infection
b. increase the survivability from the virus

But even after all of what i have stated (facts) is this

A VACCINATED PERSON CAN TRANSMIT THE VIRUS THE SAME AS AN UNVACCINATED PERSON CAN.

Because... THE VACCINE cannot produce a persons antibodies to be lethal to all forms of the virus .
unlike say polio or small pox

more like the common flu vaccine that may or may not work .

so where does that leave us.....

we have a vaccine that for all practical purposes JUST LIKE THE COMMON INFLUENZA FLU vaccine.

it MAY if it works as predicted HELP THE BODY set up antibodies to HELP FIGHT the covid virus.
but it also may not....

that WILL NOT STOP THE SPREAD .. .its not designed to .

so what we have is a virus with
80 percent such low or no symptoms that no extensive medical intervention is needed to recover and survive
that has a 97 to 99.97 survival rate (depending on age group)
that if you have a KNOW medical compromise (like old age, obesity, immune compromise, ect or more than one), or just bad luck (no one can protect from that) your dealing with just another "flu like " disease.
if your vulnerable, YOU TAKE PROTECTION, if your infected just treat it and most of us (while filling crappy and may not feel themselves for a while) WILL RECOVER.

to be treated not feared.

BUT FOR # SAKE STOP, JUST STOP saying things like

We need to get the vaccine to stop the spread
we need to be vaccinated to protect others.
and the biggest

UNVACCINATED PEOPLE ARE PASSING THIS ON AND ARE REASON MORE ARE BEING INFECTED...

THESE ARE ALL EMOTIONAL BUT FACT LACKING RANTS.

scrounger


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posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 02:25 AM
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And almost 2 years later.....they still say they have not isolated the virus...... but they have a jab based on the protein encapsulation.....
Rainbows
Jane



posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 02:42 AM
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a reply to: scrounger

Your reasoning is weak, and faulty. If we were to use it we would arrive at the following conclusion:

1. Police does not stop terrorists with bomb belts.
2. Police just mitigate the wide spreading of terrorist attacks with bomb belts.
3. Anyone can become a terrorist, hence...
4. it is stupid and futile to combat terrorism.

Your turn.


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posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 02:53 AM
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originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: scrounger

Your reasoning is weak, and faulty. If we were to use it we would arrive at the following conclusion:

1. Police does not stop terrorists with bomb belts.
2. Police just mitigate the wide spreading of terrorist attacks with bomb belts.
3. Anyone can become a terrorist, hence...
4. it is stupid and futile to combat terrorism.

Your turn.


Let's rewind, shall we?

Polio vaccine does NOT stop polio.

Measles vaccine does NOT stop measles.

Mumps vaccine does NOT stop mumps.

Rubella vaccine does NOT stop rubella.

Rabies vaccine does NOT stop rabies.

What if that was history? Except it isn't.....all of those vaccines actually WORKED...

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Do you see a disconnect here?

One of these things is NOT like the other? (Remember Sesame Street?)

Pepperidge Farm, remembah's....F'N right it does....
edit on 10/12/2021 by MykeNukem because: bah ffs



posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 02:58 AM
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a reply to: scrounger

As long as lockdowns are lifted, and people can now mingle recreationally in groups, and gather for events, the vaccine has worked heaps good. Oh but they are expecting now major infection rates, and spreading. So we'll open borders and let everyone go where they want, as long as they are, indeed, vaccinated.

Seems to me like they wanted us to get vaccinated for other reasons, and now want to spread the virus far and wide...

hmmmm.. for our safety.



posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:00 AM
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a reply to: MykeNukem

Hmmm... let's see... You posit that polio vaccine worked, however, for that to be ascertained you need to be vaccinated with it in order for you to conclude it works, right? And in order to ascertain it is working not just for you, but for the rest of the population, you need to vaccinate the entire population, right? Now: is not that exactly the same situation as with the current covid-19 vaccine? Therefore, why the fuss?

Your turn.



posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:02 AM
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a reply to: scrounger

MSM are now calling these vaxs "Life Saving Vaxs"

I can tell you one thing. I know who some who got vaxed, got covid and nearly died.
edit on 12-10-2021 by HawkEyi because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:06 AM
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People can be identified.

The itsy bitsy strain of flu is just to elusive.

a reply to: Direne



posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:07 AM
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a reply to: Direne

How low can you go.

It's so Sad that people are using Terrorist and Pro Choice in the same Analogy.

Your a Terrorist and you killed my Nanna because your Pro Choice!



posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:10 AM
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a reply to: Jamie2018

Please, wait your turn. The discussion is not about covid vaccination or terrorism, It is about free will and how we handle one's own decision to be or not to be vaccinated, which equals to the decision of infect or not infect others.

We could ask your nanna, but she's dead.



posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:14 AM
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originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: scrounger

Your reasoning is weak, and faulty. If we were to use it we would arrive at the following conclusion:

1. Police does not stop terrorists with bomb belts.
2. Police just mitigate the wide spreading of terrorist attacks with bomb belts.
3. Anyone can become a terrorist, hence...
4. it is stupid and futile to combat terrorism.

Your turn.


nice apples to oranges comparison. that is not what the OP is saying at all.

what he is saying is that people are falling for lies and "fake news". that many governments as well as mainstream media are telling these lies and publishing fake news. the fact is, what the OP has said is true. the vaccines do not "stop the spread". even at the beginning of the vaccines honest media and even the WHO it's self, was putting the information out there that these ideas of the vaccines stopping the spread, and ending the problem "once enough people are vaccinated, it will all go away". is in fact a lie. lies that governments such as the US under democrats, and biden, and trudeau and the liberals in Canada. and the liberal/democrat leaning mass media, as well as Canada's government bought and paid for liberal leaning media, have been spreading these lies and fake news.

the vaccines DO NOT, stop te virus, and was never, ever even intended to "stop the virus". if you are vaccinated, YOU CAN, GET THE VIRUS. and thus CAN AND WILL PASS ON THE VIRUS to others. (in fact in my opinion, it is even more critical that those who are vaccinated wear masks, since if the vaccines work they are far more likely to be spreading the virus to others. since they are less likely to be suffering the effects of the virus, which would tell them they have it, and to thus quarantine themselves).

in fact ONLY THING the vaccines are supposed to do, is to hopefully stop people from suffering the worst effects, and not be as sick from the virus. that is it.

this is why the WHO has said all along, that the VACCINATED still need to WEAR MASKS. in fact the WHO was pretty much spamming that message on facebook for weeks. even using pictures so that hopefully even the most dense people could understand that. trying to counter the lies and fake news, from so much western mass media, and governments such as under biden and under trudeau had already started to spread.

this is why smart countries have never recended their laws requiring everyone, no exceptions at all, forcing everyone to at the least wear a mask (if not a mask AND face shield), whenever outside of their homes, regardless of being vaccinated or not. and still keeping in place sensible restrictions on things like gatherings and church services. because all it takes is one person, to spread it to all those around them, vaccinated or not, if these sensible restrictions are not in place, and are not followed.



posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:16 AM
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originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: MykeNukem

Hmmm... let's see... You posit that polio vaccine worked, however, for that to be ascertained you need to be vaccinated with it in order for you to conclude it works, right? And in order to ascertain it is working not just for you, but for the rest of the population, you need to vaccinate the entire population, right? Now: is not that exactly the same situation as with the current covid-19 vaccine? Therefore, why the fuss?

Your turn.


Umm, not quite.

Polio vaccines worked, period.

There was no question of that.

Unlike our current situation, we could see the positive results and make a decision accordingly, no "mandates" necessary, because the results were there. Like what the word "vaccine" used to mean, you were "vaccinated" against the disease, like the "old normal", when things made sense.

Pfft.


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posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:18 AM
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a reply to: Direne



We could ask your nanna, but she's dead.


Once again "How low can you go"

Your connection between "terrorists with bomb belts" and the unvaxxinated is "weak, and faulty".

I feel embarrassed for you.


edit on 12-10-2021 by Jamie2018 because: (no reason given)


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posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:21 AM
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originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: MykeNukem

Hmmm... let's see... You posit that polio vaccine worked, however, for that to be ascertained you need to be vaccinated with it in order for you to conclude it works, right? And in order to ascertain it is working not just for you, but for the rest of the population, you need to vaccinate the entire population, right? Now: is not that exactly the same situation as with the current covid-19 vaccine? Therefore, why the fuss?

Your turn.


80 percent vaccinated in the US and we've had more people infected so far this year than when covud first arrived

Your turn. Your logic unit is busted btw


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posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:22 AM
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a reply to: Direne

Terrorism is contagious?

There's a vaccine for terrorism?


Stupid comment is stupid.



posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:29 AM
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a reply to: generik

I see. Then the debate is about whether vaccinating the entire population or not, in order to prevent specific risk groups to be infected, and to impose some restrictions in order to mitigate the risk.

And there are those who oppose to either being vaccinated and accepting some restrictions, and those who accept the vaccine, but not the restrictions, and those who accept the vaccine and the restrictions altogether, and finally those who accept the restrictions, but not the vaccine.

And there is another group who secretly wishes the entire planet to be wiped out and who welcome any apocalypse (fortunately, a minority, some of them wearing bomb belts).

So, a decision must be made. But we first need to agree whether the covid kills or does not kill some people, because the moment we decide on this, the options are dramatically reduced to just two.



posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:30 AM
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Terrorism is contagious?
a reply to: JinMI

Uh oh, it is! Never heard of people being radicalized by simply watching videos by Daesh? Believe it or not, it happens.



posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:31 AM
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originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: generik

I see. Then the debate is about whether vaccinating the entire population or not, in order to prevent specific risk groups to be infected, and to impose some restrictions in order to mitigate the risk.

And there are those who oppose to either being vaccinated and accepting some restrictions, and those who accept the vaccine, but not the restrictions, and those who accept the vaccine and the restrictions altogether, and finally those who accept the restrictions, but not the vaccine.

And there is another group who secretly wishes the entire planet to be wiped out and who welcome any apocalypse (fortunately, a minority, some of them wearing bomb belts).

So, a decision must be made. But we first need to agree whether the covid kills or does not kill some people, because the moment we decide on this, the options are dramatically reduced to just two.


Lots of things sometimes kill people ....that doesn't mean you throw the gestapo at the problem.... again your logic unit is broken



posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:33 AM
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a reply to: CrazyWater

Please, if you wish to discuss and debate, I'm glad. But if you are going to use fake numbers and figures, you are beyond any logic. US has not an 80% vaccination rate. Official numbers are 66%.

I'll take your data as an error. Please, correct it.


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posted on Oct, 12 2021 @ 03:39 AM
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It is about free will and how we handle one's own decision to be or not to be vaccinated, which equals to the decision of infect or not infect others.

Please explain how being vaccinated stops you infecting others.

I know two families that are fully vaccinated and one person in each family got covid and infected their entire family.
I also know a 21 year old lad and 8 of his friends all caught it from each other.....all fully vaccinated.
That's 16 fully vaccinated people altogether, that caught and transmitted covid......that I actually know.


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