for the hundred time/ the vaccine CANNOT STOP OR PREVENT COVID

originally posted by: Direne

Terrorism is contagious?

a reply to: JinMI

Uh oh, it is! Never heard of people being radicalized by simply watching videos by Daesh? Believe it or not, it happens.

Is there something you wish to share with the class?

I can tell you one thing. I know who some who got vaxed, got covid and nearly died.. How does that make them "Life Saving?"

a reply to: HawkEyi
Did they die?

a reply to: angelchemuel

Accept that the virus has been isolated many times.

fullfact.org...

You are obviously new to the forum op. Everyone already knows all this, it's been discussed so many times it's getting very boring now.

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

one's own decision to be or not to be vaccinated, which equals to the decision of infect or not infect others. 

Clearly not...

a reply to: scrounger

These Covid-19 shots give "vaccines" a bad name. Like you said, they don't do a good job of preventing Covid, and even worse, they kill more children than the (Covid) disease itself does.

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: scrounger

Your reasoning is weak, and faulty. If we were to use it we would arrive at the following conclusion:

1. Police does not stop terrorists with bomb belts.

a good factual point

2. Police just mitigate the wide spreading of terrorist attacks with bomb belts.

true. another factual point

3. Anyone can become a terrorist, hence...

another good point... but the end of forboding for going off the rails

4. it is stupid and futile to combat terrorism.

And off the rails it goes.. not only off the rails.. but FULL SPEED off the logical cliff leaving "deny ignorance" far and willingly behind


Your turn.

Im sorry but EXACTLY WHERE did I EXACTLY or even imply (outside of your own mind) that vaccines "is stupid and futile" .
much less the LAUGHABLE IN ITS IGNORANCE to compare it or what i said or that vaccine is "terrorism"

all i stated (quite clearly if i do say myself) that what the CLAIMS OF WHAT THE VACCINE DOES is NOT WHAT IT DOES.

now care to debate on my op or is ranting and downright ignorant comparisons all you really have?

scrounger

a reply to: MykeNukem
Which vaccines have actually STOPPED their respective diseases ?
None.
Within the last 10 years , most of those have had an alert about potential outbreaks again .
One DOES NOT get vaccinated against rabies .
Your point is moot .

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: Jamie2018

Please, wait your turn. The discussion is not about covid vaccination or terrorism, It is about free will and how we handle one's own decision to be or not to be vaccinated,

first i see you have forgotten or ignored that YOU SPECIFICALY STATED these things in your posts. now you say it isnt about WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP.. wow either your forgetfull or hope we are to your comments because they have been shown for the assininity they are.. then you ignore IT IS ABOUT THE VACCINE.. the claims of what its for/not (you can re read my OP) vs THE FACTS of what it can/cannot do.. NOT ONCE have you mentioned "free will" to which INCLUDES using FACTS to make a decision..


which equals to the decision of infect or not infect others.


Im sorry but which part THE VACCINE WILL NOT PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING AND PASSING TO OTHERS (INFECTING TO USE YOUR WORD) . A "vaccinated" person CAN AND HAS passed covid as an "unvaccinated" person can.

We could ask your nanna, but she's dead.

Oh now thats a clear childish personal attack emotional but NOT FACTUAL in the least rant.

but it does clearly show you have ZERO intent on adult discussion
so either your a FOOL , willfully ignorant to anything that FACTUALLY destroys your argument, or a troll

scrounger

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Please explain how being vaccinated stops you infecting others.

It doesn't. It only reduces the viral charge you could potentially transmit to others, together with social restrictions. But the question is that even if it does, should it be mandatory? The problem with the so-called covid is not whether it is a highly infectious disease or not (is not), or whether it kills a large percentage of the population or not (it does not), or whether it poses an existential problem for the world population or not (it does not).

The problem is that, given it is not a highly infectious disease, given that the casualties are clearly below an extinction level event, and given that it does not pose a global existential danger at all, the measures taken to fight the disease are clearly exaggerated, without we finding an explanation about the irrationality involved.

So yes, there are obscure reasons for having initiated the global drill using a proxy pandemics. But my interest lies not in how people react to be or not to be vaccinated (and controlled). My interest lies in what's the logic that clearly distinguishes a terrorist with a bomb belt and a guy infected with covid as two separate non-related situations.

See, the disease is not lethal: the lack of respirators is. Most likely, the vast amounts of money invested in the several ineffective vaccines, if invested in respirators instead, would have saved lives without needing to impose social restrictions to individual's rights.

The debate is not about vax versus anti-vax. It never was. It is about what health system do you have that lacks means enough to counter a mild disease. The discussion is about why the wealthy ones and the few rich are not forced to put their money there where we all need it: health, and education. That's the debate. Not about vaccines, masks, or social distancing.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
You are obviously new to the forum op. Everyone already knows all this, it's been discussed so many times it's getting very boring now.

if "everyone knows this" and "discussed so many times" then why do people STILL MAKE THE SAME CLAIMS that the vaccine can do what it cant?

oh and last i checked you can be "bored" by it...
then DONT READ OR RESPOND.

problem solved and you can go about your day with no "inconvenience"

scrounger

a reply to: Direne

What are you on about, mate?

Shouldn't posts trying to de-rail get removed? You've done nothing but try and de rail the thread since the first reply. What gives? Too obvious bro. At least try to be be more subtle or clever sheesh.

a reply to: Direne

it is really very simple. there needs only be one choice. and that is to allow those who wish to be vaccinated, and those who do not wish to be vaccinated, not to be vaccinated. so very simple. since the vaccines only do anything for the specific person who is vaccinated, and have absolutely ZERO EFFECT for anyone else. so it should be up to the individual to decide for themselves if the want such a vaccine put into them. and while not as big of a risk as the virus, the vaccines do still pose a risk, however slight.

masks are a completely separate issue. masks do in fact help protect others from the wearer, unlike the vaccine. and is completely harmless to the wearer. i get that a mask is a minor inconvenience, but that is it, just a minor inconvenience. and as such should be mandated and enforced, exactly because it is a perfectly safe way to actually protect others. now admittedly there should be some standards put into place about mask materials and such, but that is something that could be done easily if they actually decided to do the right thing and make them mandatory. but the fact is, even a bit of a help is far better than nothing at all.

the same is true of restrictions put into place. they do no real harm, and are just an inconvenience. restrictions such as limiting numbers of people in an area, especially indoors. banning things like singing, which help spread the virus, is also nothing more than a non harmful inconvenience. fact is being a bit inconvenienced is a very small price to pay, to save lives.

so there is only really one choice. one that protects people's freedoms, while at the same time protecting the freedoms of everyone else, such as the freedom not to get sick, and possibly die. just as we are normally free to mostly do what we want, while at the same time the freedom of everyone else, by not allowing someone the freedom to murder anyone they want.

a reply to: Direne
Here is some info about the use of ventilators (April 2020).

The Italians were swiftly followed by Cameron Kyle-Sidell, a New York physician who put out a talk on YouTube saying that by preparing to put patients on ventilators, hospitals in America were treating "the wrong disease." Ventilation, he feared, would lead to "a tremendous amount of harm to a great number of people in a very short time." This remains his view, he told Reuters this week.

Special Report: As virus advances, doctors rethink rush to ventilate | Article [AMP] | Reuters
www.reuters.com...

a reply to: scrounger

FURTHERMORE...the Vaccines are too dangerous for our U.S. Congress members/staff, and their families.

They decided to go along with the "mask" mandate, but for the vaccine mandate, "No way in hell!".

www.newsweek.com...

If this doesn't send a roundly strong message to America that the benefits of these experimental vaccines are not worth their potential risk, I don't know what does.

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: MykeNukem
Which vaccines have actually STOPPED their respective diseases ?
None.

while rare there are two that come to mind. one is small pox and the other is polio.. the first has been in nature erraticated thanks to vaccine (outside of the weponized version). the second there has not been an outbreak since the vaccine has been world wide..

Within the last 10 years , most of those have had an alert about potential outbreaks again .

while there were some "outbreaks" (small and rare to be sure) the vaccine DID PROTECT almost (nothing is perfect) all from them.. along with you had PROOF that the vaccine protected and unvaccinated were not.. but NEVER ACCUSED of "infecting" the vaccinated.

One DOES NOT get vaccinated against rabies .
Your point is moot .

the last comment is another statement that is emotional fact lacking drivel..
you dont REGULARLY get vaccinated against rabies unless your an animal researcher, a vet (or vet tech) and maybe some specific animal workers (ex rescue/rehabilitation personnel).
but you WILL (again a few rare exceptions) if you get rabies the vaccine WILL SAVE YOU LIFE (if gotten in a vary narrow window)

your whole post is the opposite of ATS "deny ignorance" theme

scrounger

originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: MykeNukem
Which vaccines have actually STOPPED their respective diseases ?
None.

while rare there are two that come to mind. one is small pox and the other is polio.. the first has been in nature erraticated thanks to vaccine (outside of the weponized version). the second there has not been an outbreak since the vaccine has been world wide..

Within the last 10 years , most of those have had an alert about potential outbreaks again .

while there were some "outbreaks" (small and rare to be sure) the vaccine DID PROTECT almost (nothing is perfect) all from them.. along with you had PROOF that the vaccine protected and unvaccinated were not.. but NEVER ACCUSED of "infecting" the vaccinated.

One DOES NOT get vaccinated against rabies .
Your point is moot .

the last comment is another statement that is emotional fact lacking drivel..
you dont REGULARLY get vaccinated against rabies unless your an animal researcher, a vet (or vet tech) and maybe some specific animal workers (ex rescue/rehabilitation personnel).
but you WILL (again a few rare exceptions) if you get rabies the vaccine WILL SAVE YOU LIFE (if gotten in a vary narrow window)

your whole post is the opposite of ATS "deny ignorance" theme

scrounger

WHy ?
You just proved it spot on with yours.

a reply to: SuicideKing33

Sorry, there was a frog croaking in my window and couldn't hear your bark. Mind barking again, please?

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: scrounger

Your reasoning is weak, and faulty. If we were to use it we would arrive at the following conclusion:

1. Police does not stop terrorists with bomb belts.
2. Police just mitigate the wide spreading of terrorist attacks with bomb belts.
3. Anyone can become a terrorist, hence...
4. it is stupid and futile to combat terrorism.

Your turn.

You're quite wrong overall -- It is sketchy experimental new age TheraFlu in a vial. It is a prophylactic for your person, not others.

I question the quality of your Skull Syrup in there.

a reply to: Nyiah

Why? Because you are right?