Pennsylvania Democrat introducing legislation to sterilize "inseminators"...

This sounds very racist to me. In our area, most of the inseminators are black and the recipients are basically 50/50 black and white women. That would mean most of the black fellows would be sterilized and the recipients wouldn't be able to get pregnant by normal means.

The 50/50 black/white women would have to find another way to live off the federal/state money that they get for having a black baby. This happens in our area, I am not familiar with other states and how they handle single mom pregnancies. Its well known in our state that if one is a woman and can't find work or is dumb as a rock, to find a black man who will inseminate them and impregnate them, they will get up to (I last heard) $5000.00 a month after the baby(s) is(are) born. To tell the truth it is extremely hard to get accurate information about this.

ETA: the $5K is the top dollar payed after 3, 4, or maybe 5 children are born, can't find the accurate number, yet. It also increases with disabilities, etc.

Therefore, I will be introducing legislation that will require all inseminators to undergo vasectomies within 6 weeks from having their third child or 40th birthday, whichever comes first.

Further, this legislation will allow Pennsylvanians to take civil action for unwanted pregnancies against inseminators who wrongfully conceive a child with them.

Are political officeholders included? Or will they find language to specifically exempt this group?

Just asking.

Flipside to Texas..lol

Not going to happen anyway.

a reply to: dawnstar

Well I disagree because I do not live a consumption based lifestyle. Life gets much cheaper if you don't buy, buy, buy. For example, we use cloth diapers. Expense up front to get good ones but have saved SO MUCH not buying disposable diapers. Also breastfeeding and making my own organic baby food has saved us so much money on formula and baby food than people who use disposable, expensive, "easy quick fixes".

The boys might get brave enough to actually try to start a family. But as is is, the gals had better be able to do everything a man can because the man is gonna need their help to support a family!

So we are excusing men to just run away from their responsibilities when they impregnate a woman because being a real man is just too hard? I mean, obviously men are still starting families despite not having jobs or enough money or this situation would never exist to begin with.

a reply to: Chalcedony
Gee. I don't know. I just drilled into my sons head not to make the babies till they find someone they can see themselves spending the rest of their lives with and are financially secure enough to take care of them.. I screwed myself out of having grandkids me thinks.

a reply to: vonclod

Apples to oranges. Would be somewhat equal if women were required to be sterilized after their abortions. Also can and probably will happen since there is already legal precedent for involuntary sterilization to protect "public health". Remember the 1930s and the eugenics movement in America?

a reply to: dawnstar

So are they celibate? What happens if they accidentally impregnate someone? Would you advocate to abort your own grandchild?

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Chalcedony
Gee. I don't know. I just drilled into my sons head not to make the babies till they find someone they can see themselves spending the rest of their lives with and are financially secure enough to take care of them.. I screwed myself out of having grandkids me thinks.

The way things are today he should think long and hard about getting married. Most of the benefits for men are gone.

originally posted by: Chalcedony
a reply to: vonclod

Apples to oranges. Would be somewhat equal if women were required to be sterilized after their abortions. Also can and probably will happen since there is already legal precedent for involuntary sterilization to protect "public health". Remember the 1930s and the eugenics movement in America?

It's not a perfect analogy, but it still lives in the realm of control over other people reproductive rights.

a reply to: Chalcedony
I had my kids and I have lived with the consequences of my decisions. My kids are adults, as are any women they might get serious with. I would only offer my support for whatever decision they came up with. And, my kids are rather picky, they aren't screwing around with women that they wouldn't want to spend their lives with. So, ya, they prefer celibacy to child support hell.

a reply to: vonclod

I think one thing everyone can agree on is that the government should probably just back out of everybody's personal business. That is really not their job, right? And I just read a news story about a 17 year old boy who tried to convince his girlfriend to get an abortion and she wouldn't so he just shook their baby to death. I think the baby was only 24 days old.

So let's face it, if somebody really doesn't want a baby, whether it is abortion or just outright murder, they will get rid of it one way or another and laws the government makes aren't going to stop them. Before abortion was legal there were backalley abortions as well.

a reply to: Bluntone22
What benefits are those?

I’m visualizing a campaign...oh wait.

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Wrong?

a reply to: dawnstar

I am glad you have instilled common sense in your children. It is far too rare these days. There are very few good role models for young guys these days. I wish everyone would do as you have done and say "just don't have sex if you don't want a baby" would solve a lot of problems. But most people think the idea of just not having sex is ridiculous. I have made that comment before and been ridiculed as being "old fashioned".

a reply to: dawnstar

Years ago it was a homemaker but that's long gone.

But for me in my marriage it's the support and partnership between my wife and myself.

a reply to: Chalcedony

I think one thing everyone can agree on is that the government should probably just back out of everybody's personal business. That is really not their job, right?

I would tend to agree with that.

And I just read a news story about a 17 year old boy who tried to convince his girlfriend to get an abortion and she wouldn't so he just shook their baby to death. I think the baby was only 24 days old.

I imagine he will be facing charges, I hope he gets raped in prison!

So let's face it, if somebody really doesn't want a baby, whether it is abortion or just outright murder, they will get rid of it one way or another and laws the government makes aren't going to stop them. Before abortion was legal there were backalley abortions as well.

Well, I'm not sure the instance of the 17 year old is anywhere near a common thing, and he will face consequences. And yes, there have been women who were not ready to have a baby, figure out how to end it, going waaaaaaaay back.

My stance is, it's not for me to say. I do not support that in a late term viable situation though

a reply to: Chalcedony
The law won't go anywhere but I see it has prompted the intended response..
Who deserves to have children who doesn't, and just whom should decide?
We don't have work houses anymore with mass graves holding poor kids. Or Indian schools. And we ain't pulling thousand of babies out of our rivers. For the most part, our children, e vfc enough our poor children are better cared for than they ever have been. They aren't being sold off in slavery or working in coal mines of textile mills. They are in schools, getting a better education than they ever were.
It wasn't mass sterilization of those society thought deserved to be wiped out that improved things it was women being given the knowledge and ability to control their own birth rate.
So, we have a negative population growth or close to it along with healthier moms and babies.

Along with an abortion rate that has been steadily dropping.

a reply to: Bluntone22
For many, it never really was an option. The idea that all the wives got to stay home and play Suzy homemaker never really was. It was just that before the industrial revolution, the wives could often earn extra money in their homes making stuff. My grandmother along with my great grandmother managed to hold onto the family home and raise my father by seeing and even my father was put to work making quilts after school during the depression. And, there were plenty of ladies in the workforce when I was growing up. In the food processing plant, in the resturants, in the offices... including my mom.
Now days, ya, marriage has become more of a partnership. But, no so much in the past.

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