Question to pro-vaxxers

originally posted by: research100
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The situation in parts of South Asia has also been dire. The World Health Organization (WHO) has said that the health situation in Kabul, Afghanistan continues to be one of the worst in the world. Despite substantial improvements in the health sector and vast investments in the form of international aid, all of the various Afghan governments have struggled to provide basic healthcare services to the public.). The country continues to be riven with infectious diseases including tuberculosis, malaria, cholera, polio, measles, rabies and typhoid fever.[2] The Covid-19 pandemic has placed a greater strain on the country’s weak healthcare system. The return of Afghans from Iran,[3] series of lethal attacks on healthcare workers and civilians and increasing insecurity has made the situation worse.[4]

As of April 8, 2021, Kabul had recorded 56,943 confirmed cases of Covid-19 and 2,516 deaths.[5] The actual numbers of cases and fatalities, however, are likely much higher due to lack of reliable data, inadequate public health system, limited testing capacity, and lack of a national death register. The exact extent of the community spread, and the scale of the pandemic has been difficult to determine.a reply to: RazorV66

and by the way enough people are not vaccinated and the more unvaccinated the more covid variants we will get....

much more info at the link

Why do you think there are varients to begin with? Because of the vaccinated! People keep blaming the unvaccinated when they are the ones at greater risk! The virus is changing because of the vaccinated. They also carry the virus with milder symptoms which means they are more dangerous! Get off the unvaccinated people. They are the courageous ones and the most at risk!

originally posted by: enjoylife
Taliban enforced ban on all vaccines. They don't wear masks, there is no social distancing and there is literally no healthcare nowadays in Afghanistan.

According to pro-vaxxers logic, Taliban should be killed by COVID-19 in a matter of weeks.

When shall we start witnessing that?

I'm dead serious and want an explanation. Thank you.

It's happening now...why do you only care about the Taliban and not Afghanistan people?

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originally posted by: GammaD

6968 Total vaccinated deaths

Numbers always make sense; it is the language of absolutes. So, if the narrative isn't following the numbers, lies are being told. WHY?

Numbers will make sense if you know what you are actually looking at. That is not "6968 Total vaccinated deaths", it is 6968 reported deaths of people who were vaccinated. Can you see the difference. You seem to miss this line in the same paragraph.

FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.

So lets follow a line of logic...

8000 people die everyday in America. Many are older high risk people right?

85%+ of older and/or high risk people in America now have been vaccinated

There is a good chance that a percentage of that 8000 people that die per day were also vaccinated and didn't die because of the vaccine, but a laundry list of other stuff.

In the last 210 days of giving vaccines since Feb 1 about 1.6 million people have died, and the CDC is saying 6968 have died while also having the vaccine. Most likely within a week or two of the vaccine.

So with 350 million doses of vaccines administered how many of those 6968 may have just died because they were old and/or high risk and were right there to die anyways with or without the vaccine?

I would bet that a few hundred may have died to the vaccine as people have bad reactions to just about anything, but we are talking 350 million doses here in the US alone. Since we do not see the old and high risk dropping like flies to the virus as they were in the beginning around the world. 15% of the population is 85%+ of the deaths and severe illness, how many people has the vaccine saved?

originally posted by: keukendeur
a reply to: enjoylife

You know....I was wondering the same about North-Korea.

What are those guys doing because Covid seems to have no grip on those guys.

They probably said they don't want any part of the NWO. Look up how many infections and cases they have. You'll find it is not just 0....its literally non existent. No data available.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: GammaD

6968 Total vaccinated deaths

Numbers always make sense; it is the language of absolutes. So, if the narrative isn't following the numbers, lies are being told. WHY?

Numbers will make sense if you know what you are actually looking at. That is not "6968 Total vaccinated deaths", it is 6968 reported deaths of people who were vaccinated. Can you see the difference. You seem to miss this line in the same paragraph.

FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.

So lets follow a line of logic...

8000 people die everyday in America. Many are older high risk people right?

85%+ of older and/or high risk people in America now have been vaccinated

There is a good chance that a percentage of that 8000 people that die per day were also vaccinated and didn't die because of the vaccine, but a laundry list of other stuff.

In the last 210 days of giving vaccines since Feb 1 about 1.6 million people have died, and the CDC is saying 6968 have died while also having the vaccine. Most likely within a week or two of the vaccine.

So with 350 million doses of vaccines administered how many of those 6968 may have just died because they were old and/or high risk and were right there to die anyways with or without the vaccine?

I would bet that a few hundred may have died to the vaccine as people have bad reactions to just about anything, but we are talking 350 million doses here in the US alone. Since we do not see the old and high risk dropping like flies to the virus as they were in the beginning around the world. 15% of the population is 85%+ of the deaths and severe illness, how many people has the vaccine saved?

Now apply your logic to covid deaths. Not all 600k have died FROM covid but rather WITH covid. only about 6% died FROM covid and covid alone, now how many of those died WITH covid but not a direct cause? How many were "presumptive"? how much was the flu since the tests couldn't differentiate from the 2? IF you're going to question vaers you should also question all the number and apply the same logic.

originally posted by: jidnum

Now apply your logic to covid deaths. Not all 600k have died FROM covid but rather WITH covid. only about 6% died FROM covid and covid alone, now how many of those died WITH covid but not a direct cause? How many were "presumptive"? how much was the flu since the tests couldn't differentiate from the 2? IF you're going to question vaers you should also question all the number and apply the same logic.

We can sure, but that wasn't the main point of the post as it was only about the vaccine. We would need to really look at how the person died. The tell tell is whether the the virus destroyed their lungs to the point they could not breath, used a ventilator etc.

If we look at one age group 85 or older we see 182,000 died and also had COVID, but only 76,000 died with COVID & pneumonia together. I do not know how many ways COVID has killed people but I would say its in the high 90% that lack of breathing was a huge part.

When we look at the total it shows 624,000 people died and also had COVID, but 308,000 people died that had both COVID & pneumonia together. I would say 308k is much closer to the real count.

293k out of the 308k were 50 years or older, so where do you think we should see the vaccine used?

The other area is how many people did the virus F up but still lived. I'm 61 and I really didn't want to mess around with the virus as a I have 3 friends in their 50s that spent weeks in the hospital and they were healthy. It is always a evaluation of risk either way you go.

I have some major questions about the effectiveness of this vaccine. I read a story that 95% of the employees that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 at the Tyson Food Plant outbreak were asymptomatic. That made me curious so I got tested for antibodies and sure enough I tested positive for the antibodies. At no time since the beginning of this pandemic did I have any symptoms whatsoever. This leads me to another question. Do they test for the antibodies BEFORE you get vaccinated? If not why don't they? Another question; if there are all of these asymptomatic people out there how could they possibly know how effective this vaccine is?

a reply to: jeffsfrye

Another question; if there are all of these asymptomatic people out there how could they possibly know how effective this vaccine is?

Two ways, mostly. By comparing the number of people who test positive in each group (vaccinated and not) and the number of hospitalizations in each group.

A bit of a caution though, a direct comparison won't work unless the two groups are equal in number but a little bit of simple math can correct for that.

a reply to: jeffsfrye

There must be a reason that "scientists" said they were unsure if those that recovered from COVID had immunity for so long, even though they know that a lot of of people were "asymptomatic." You can't tell me that scientists don't have enough common sense to think that maybe those that were infected may have had some prior protection due to some prior coronavirus infection. Maybe a multi-trillion dollar "carrot" was enough to make funding hungry laboratories ignore what was right in front of their face?

a reply to: Phage

Nope. Actually the only way you can tell is if they test positive for the antibodies. If you do a Google search you will find out that those that are vaccinated don't test positive for the antibody. Why you ask? They claim that the antibody tests don't test for the antibodies that vaccine supposedly gives you. Imagine that. So again I ask, how can they possibly know that the vaccine is 95% effective in clinical trials if they have no way to prove that it produces an immune response? How many people were already asymptomatic prior to the clinical trial?

a reply to: jeffsfrye

If you do a Google search you will find out that those that are vaccinated don't test positive for the antibody.

Incorrect.

Eight weeks after the second injection of vaccine, volunteers showed high levels of IgM and IgG anti-SARS-CoV-2 spike protein (S) and receptor-binding-domain (RBD) binding titre. Moreover, the plasma neutralizing activity and relative numbers of RBD-specific memory B cells of vaccinated volunteers were equivalent to those of individuals who had recovered from natural infection5,6.

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Here, we interrogated antibody and antigen-specific memory B cells over time in 33 SARS-CoV-2 naïve and 11 SARS-CoV-2 recovered subjects. SARS-CoV-2 naïve individuals required both vaccine doses for optimal increases in antibodies, particularly for neutralizing titers against the B.1.351 variant. Memory B cells specific for full-length spike protein and the spike receptor binding domain (RBD) were also efficiently primed by mRNA vaccination and detectable in all SARS-CoV-2 naïve subjects after the second vaccine dose, although the memory B cell response declined slightly with age.

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We describe mRNA1273-elicited binding and neutralizing antibodies in 33 healthy adult participants in an ongoing phase 1 trial,2-4 stratified according to age, at 180 days after the second dose of 100 μg (day 209).

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That still doesn't answer how many were asymptomatic PRIOR to the vaccine.

a reply to: jeffsfrye

That still doesn't answer how many were asymptomatic PROIR to the vaccine.

What does that have to do with the efficacy of the vaccines?

If proportionally more people who are unvaccinated are testing positive and if proportionally more people who are unvaccinated are hospitalized, that's a pretty good indication that the vaccines do what they are supposed to do. Perhaps not as well with the Delta but the numbers show that the vaccines work.

Because if you are asymptomatic you already have the antibodies. Maybe they got the antibodies PRIOR to the vaccine.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: jeffsfrye

That still doesn't answer how many were asymptomatic PROIR to the vaccine.

What does that have to do with the efficacy of the vaccines?

If proportionally more people who are unvaccinated are testing positive and if proportionally more people who are unvaccinated are hospitalized, that's a pretty good indication that the vaccines do what they are supposed to do. Perhaps not as well with the Delta but the numbers show that the vaccines work.

Is it okay if I choose to not get the vaccine? Based on advice from my doctor. I have various reasons as to why I shouldn't, personally. Just want to ask if it's okay if I don't.
Or will I be labeled a charlatan and a killer?

a reply to: jeffsfrye

That would be equally possible with both groups.

a reply to: Kreeate

Why are you asking me?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Kreeate

Why are you asking me?

You seem knowledgeable on the subject and I'm curious as to your opinion. Lots of "questionable" information going around.
It's a sincere question. Up to you if you want to answer it or not. Either way, I'll respect your response.

a reply to: Kreeate

I have no idea if you will be labeled a charlatan and a killer.

I'm not just asking you, I am asking anyone that might understand this enough to explain to me what is actually going on. I tested positive for the antibodies, so did many many many of my close friends and family. ALL were asymptomatic. None of us were even vaccinated. I just want people to do a little critical thinking about things before they blindly follow what is on the news.