What are the average survival rates for Covid ?

That's exactly what they do.

Did you not read the part I just posted about my friends grandad dying of lung cancer but the cause of death being listed as covid ??

I'm sorry but the rest of your post doesn't really make sense, well, not in any sense of a reply to mine.

When you said "but you just said yourself" that doesn't make any sense as I have said the same thing all along, deaths with covid (dying within 28 days of a Positive test) are being used to increase the numbers.
For you to start your post with an incorrect reference to what I was talking about, isn't the best start.

You claimed it was interpretation, but I've just demonstrated in that link that it isn't about "interpretation" they are literally classing every death within 28 days of a positive test as a death with covid, which then gets added to the offical figures increasing the death count.

reply to: nonspecific

I think the real question is how many peopled died of covid and not with covind. against cases.. CDC say 5% of death certs have only covid as the cause. The other 95% had 4 other conditions attached to it.

So whatever figure you get, I would say 5 % of that would be covid death. They rest are recatagorisedas covid

a reply to: OwenTrousers

Death with covid.

If they died and they had covid at the time of death then how is that false?

I will say again that it's down to interpretation, if you look at the big number and no further then that's down to a total lack of effort on your part.

If you look into how and why the figures are presented the way they are then you will be able to understand.


It's always going to be tricky when you've got a huge number of people uneducated in a certain area who think that watching a few videos and reading a few articles makes them an expert on the subject and then playing at "investigate reporter" and taking everything out of context due to lack of understanding to find a conspiracy that isn't actually there.

Add to that the world of social media and confirmation bias and we end up where we are today.



a reply to: OwenTrousers

You can only use that figure if you know that those existing conditions would have killed the person regardless of if they had covid or not.

If you've had a condition for five years and then you get covid 19 and three weeks later your dead would you really be confident saying that it was the existing condition that was the actual cause of death?



a reply to: lSkrewloosel

How is it false ?
Very simply, and I fear you are pretending you don't know this...
Because Covid was not the cause of death. They died of other unrelated things, but are listed as a death from covid. They say "died with" but their figures go on the overall tally and are inflate the numbers, even though covid diddnt kill them, they just had a positive test.
So no, it's not interpretation at all is it.

a reply to: nonspecific

So how many people do you estimate died with covid 19 but of totally unrelated cause that covid played no part in?

I'm sure you can use existing data for previous years, the percentage of people who had confirmed cases etc.

I'm interested too see how much of an impact it has made if what you claim is true.



a reply to: OwenTrousers

It's not a claim, I've shown you the official source showing they are counting deaths within 28 days of a positive test.Do you not believe that source ? It's from an official Government website so not sure what else I could show you.

Have you not even asked yourself why they would need to do that in the first place ? I mean if the person had the virus but diddnt die from it, why include it in the deaths from covid figures ?

a reply to: nonspecific

originally posted by: OwenTrousers
apologies, here is the link showing they are classing all deaths within 28 days of positive test as being a death due to covid.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk...

So I ask you (again) do you think this could have inflated the death figure somewhat ?

Here is an example : My friends 86 year-old grandpa died of lung cancer, smoked 60 cigs a day, but because be tested positive for Covid, guess what, they put covid 19 as the cause of death.

So what effect does this have on the numbers of people "dying from covid" Do you think it isn't pushing the numbers higher ??

a reply to: chr0naut

On the same page, they are also enumerating deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate. In no way are they only counting deaths 'with' COVID-19.

The reason for recording separate details is that there is a delay in the determination of cause of death, and submission of death certificates, where there isn't such a delay when someone is just recording a death of someone who has tested positive.

Obviously the people publishing this data here wanted to have an idea of those who died of any cause, and were COVID-19 positive, in comparison to those that specifically died of COVID-19 and its complications.

They need that sort of information to plan and allocate hospitalization, healthcare, and quarantine resources specifically for dealing with COVID-19 medically, so it actually makes some sense to include both figures.

But deaths 'with' COVID-19 aren't deaths 'from' COVID-19, and the inclusion of both measures on the same information page indicates that they know the difference, and are being very clear and open about it.

Do you think that they publish these numbers in some sort of propagandist oneupmanship game for political purposes? Get real!

Also, your friend who had lung cancer and also contracted COVID-19 probably died of COVID-19 if they put it on the death certificate. It was probably recorded as a contributing cause. Can you say that someone with lung cancer and with COVID-19 didn't die of COVID-19?

Cancer kills by metastasizing and spreading through the body, ultimately causing multiple organ failure, so if someone died of a pneumonia and was COVID positive and the cancer had not metastasized, then what would your diagnosis be?

I never said they were ONLY counting deaths with covid. You can't answer can you. I'll give up. It was nice while it lasted.
a reply to: chr0naut

the published rates are all manipulations.

first the word survival. what does that mean? what, that you lived?
because living with one of the numerous side affects is still living?
anything that holds you back by a breath from death is survival?

and then there is the idea of whether you died from corona or died with corona.
Motorcycle got hit by a Mack Truck and rider died but tested for corona?

and then there is the idea that no one died from the flu during this pandemic.

the death numbers are suspect but here they are - 616,000.

but in order to define the rate, you must quantify the population.
And "they" identify the population as "Cases of corona".
but we know that the tests they used had false positives and probably false negatives.
And then you have the asymptomatic which never got tested.
so we do not actually know the number of cases of corona.

And there is another factor. The lock downs and the mask wearing and the social distancing and the stimulus and the non essential workers and businesses.

So, the population, as quantified by the government, is everyone. The entire population of the US because YOU are all assumed to be in quarantine and so YOU are all infected.
333,188,423.

And so 616,000/333,188,423=0.00184
But that is the rate of death.
The rate of survival is 99.816

And this is why the economy is shut down for 332.5 million people
Make sense?


(This is the fall of the Holy Roman Empire in case you were wondering)

originally posted by: OwenTrousers
I never said they were ONLY counting deaths with covid. You can't answer can you. I'll give up. It was nice while it lasted.
a reply to: chr0naut

Take your question based on an unrealistic and misunderstood premise, and your government conspiracy fantasy, and go.

This thread was about the survival rate from COVID-19 and most responses are to reject the best figures that we have, and replace that with pure speculation.

People seem to want the doom-porn to be real so much, they turn off their reasoning. Common sense is less so in the Internet age where emotive BS beats rationality.

originally posted by: sraven
the published rates are all manipulations.

first the word survival. what does that mean? what, that you lived?
because living with one of the numerous side affects is still living?
anything that holds you back by a breath from death is survival?

and then there is the idea of whether you died from corona or died with corona.
Motorcycle got hit by a Mack Truck and rider died but tested for corona?

More than 4 million have died from COVID-19. That's a lot of motorcycle accidents all of a sudden.

and then there is the idea that no one died from the flu during this pandemic.

That's BS too. Fewer people died from flu, but that could easily have been the masks, social distancing, sanitization, and lockdowns having an effect.

Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales: deaths occurring between 1 January and 31 August 2020

Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season

the death numbers are suspect but here they are - 616,000.

but in order to define the rate, you must quantify the population.
And "they" identify the population as "Cases of corona".
but we know that the tests they used had false positives and probably false negatives.
And then you have the asymptomatic which never got tested.
so we do not actually know the number of cases of corona.

And there is another factor. The lock downs and the mask wearing and the social distancing and the stimulus and the non essential workers and businesses.

So, the population, as quantified by the government, is everyone. The entire population of the US because YOU are all assumed to be in quarantine and so YOU are all infected.
333,188,423.

And so 616,000/333,188,423=0.00184
But that is the rate of death.
The rate of survival is 99.816

And this is why the economy is shut down for 332.5 million people
Make sense?

(This is the fall of the Holy Roman Empire in case you were wondering)

But not everyone has been infected with COVID-19. People who don't have a disease, cannot die from it. So your calculations are based on a faulty assumption because you are including people who have not had the disease in a discussion about how survivable the disease is.

LOL.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: sraven
the published rates are all manipulations.

first the word survival. what does that mean? what, that you lived?
because living with one of the numerous side affects is still living?
anything that holds you back by a breath from death is survival?

and then there is the idea of whether you died from corona or died with corona.
Motorcycle got hit by a Mack Truck and rider died but tested for corona?

More than 4 million have died from COVID-19. That's a lot of motorcycle accidents all of a sudden.

and then there is the idea that no one died from the flu during this pandemic.

That's BS too. Fewer people died from flu, but that could easily have been the masks, social distancing, sanitization, and lockdowns having an effect.

Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales: deaths occurring between 1 January and 31 August 2020

Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season

the death numbers are suspect but here they are - 616,000.

but in order to define the rate, you must quantify the population.
And "they" identify the population as "Cases of corona".
but we know that the tests they used had false positives and probably false negatives.
And then you have the asymptomatic which never got tested.
so we do not actually know the number of cases of corona.

And there is another factor. The lock downs and the mask wearing and the social distancing and the stimulus and the non essential workers and businesses.

So, the population, as quantified by the government, is everyone. The entire population of the US because YOU are all assumed to be in quarantine and so YOU are all infected.
333,188,423.

And so 616,000/333,188,423=0.00184
But that is the rate of death.
The rate of survival is 99.816

And this is why the economy is shut down for 332.5 million people
Make sense?

(This is the fall of the Holy Roman Empire in case you were wondering)

But not everyone has been infected with COVID-19. People who don't have a disease, cannot die from it. So your calculations are based on a faulty assumption because you are including people who have not had the disease in a discussion about how survivable the disease is.

LOL.

Four million is world wide. There are 8 billion in the world.
That is .0005
The survival rate is 99.95.

On a global scale, 4 million is nothing.
4.5 million die on the planet every month.

originally posted by: sraven

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: sraven
the published rates are all manipulations.

first the word survival. what does that mean? what, that you lived?
because living with one of the numerous side affects is still living?
anything that holds you back by a breath from death is survival?

and then there is the idea of whether you died from corona or died with corona.
Motorcycle got hit by a Mack Truck and rider died but tested for corona?

More than 4 million have died from COVID-19. That's a lot of motorcycle accidents all of a sudden.

and then there is the idea that no one died from the flu during this pandemic.

That's BS too. Fewer people died from flu, but that could easily have been the masks, social distancing, sanitization, and lockdowns having an effect.

Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales: deaths occurring between 1 January and 31 August 2020

Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season

the death numbers are suspect but here they are - 616,000.

but in order to define the rate, you must quantify the population.
And "they" identify the population as "Cases of corona".
but we know that the tests they used had false positives and probably false negatives.
And then you have the asymptomatic which never got tested.
so we do not actually know the number of cases of corona.

And there is another factor. The lock downs and the mask wearing and the social distancing and the stimulus and the non essential workers and businesses.

So, the population, as quantified by the government, is everyone. The entire population of the US because YOU are all assumed to be in quarantine and so YOU are all infected.
333,188,423.

And so 616,000/333,188,423=0.00184
But that is the rate of death.
The rate of survival is 99.816

And this is why the economy is shut down for 332.5 million people
Make sense?

(This is the fall of the Holy Roman Empire in case you were wondering)

But not everyone has been infected with COVID-19. People who don't have a disease, cannot die from it. So your calculations are based on a faulty assumption because you are including people who have not had the disease in a discussion about how survivable the disease is.

LOL.

Four million is world wide. There are 8 billion in the world.
That is .0005
The survival rate is 99.95.

On a global scale, 4 million is nothing.
4.5 million die on the planet every month.

8 Billion haven't 'survived' COVID-19 because most of them have never had it.

If you want to figure out the survival rate, you divide the number of deaths, by the number that have had the disease, not by the biggest unrelated number you can think of.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: sraven

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: sraven
the published rates are all manipulations.

first the word survival. what does that mean? what, that you lived?
because living with one of the numerous side affects is still living?
anything that holds you back by a breath from death is survival?

and then there is the idea of whether you died from corona or died with corona.
Motorcycle got hit by a Mack Truck and rider died but tested for corona?

More than 4 million have died from COVID-19. That's a lot of motorcycle accidents all of a sudden.

and then there is the idea that no one died from the flu during this pandemic.

That's BS too. Fewer people died from flu, but that could easily have been the masks, social distancing, sanitization, and lockdowns having an effect.

Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales: deaths occurring between 1 January and 31 August 2020

Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season

the death numbers are suspect but here they are - 616,000.

but in order to define the rate, you must quantify the population.
And "they" identify the population as "Cases of corona".
but we know that the tests they used had false positives and probably false negatives.
And then you have the asymptomatic which never got tested.
so we do not actually know the number of cases of corona.

And there is another factor. The lock downs and the mask wearing and the social distancing and the stimulus and the non essential workers and businesses.

So, the population, as quantified by the government, is everyone. The entire population of the US because YOU are all assumed to be in quarantine and so YOU are all infected.
333,188,423.

And so 616,000/333,188,423=0.00184
But that is the rate of death.
The rate of survival is 99.816

And this is why the economy is shut down for 332.5 million people
Make sense?

(This is the fall of the Holy Roman Empire in case you were wondering)

But not everyone has been infected with COVID-19. People who don't have a disease, cannot die from it. So your calculations are based on a faulty assumption because you are including people who have not had the disease in a discussion about how survivable the disease is.

LOL.

Four million is world wide. There are 8 billion in the world.
That is .0005
The survival rate is 99.95.

On a global scale, 4 million is nothing.
4.5 million die on the planet every month.

8 Billion haven't 'survived' COVID-19 because most of them have never had it.

If you want to figure out the survival rate, you divide the number of deaths, by the number that have had the disease, not by the biggest unrelated number you can think of.

There is no known accurate method of determining the number of people that have had the disease.
There are people that are asymptomatic. They present no evidence of the disease.
There are people who have had the disease who have never been tested.
There are people who have been tested positive who did not have the disease.
There are people who tested negative who did have the disease.

With all of these incongruities, any statistics provided by the government are suspect.

All you can actually go by is the way the government is treating the population.
The government ordered universal masking, universal social distancing, universal lock down, universal stimulous.
The actions of the government created an effective universal quarantine.

Quarantine is the isolation of those who are sick or suspected to be sick. You do not isolate the healthy.

Therefore all are assumed to be infected.
All 8 billion.

originally posted by: sraven

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: sraven

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: sraven
the published rates are all manipulations.

first the word survival. what does that mean? what, that you lived?
because living with one of the numerous side affects is still living?
anything that holds you back by a breath from death is survival?

and then there is the idea of whether you died from corona or died with corona.
Motorcycle got hit by a Mack Truck and rider died but tested for corona?

More than 4 million have died from COVID-19. That's a lot of motorcycle accidents all of a sudden.

and then there is the idea that no one died from the flu during this pandemic.

That's BS too. Fewer people died from flu, but that could easily have been the masks, social distancing, sanitization, and lockdowns having an effect.

Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales: deaths occurring between 1 January and 31 August 2020

Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season

the death numbers are suspect but here they are - 616,000.

but in order to define the rate, you must quantify the population.
And "they" identify the population as "Cases of corona".
but we know that the tests they used had false positives and probably false negatives.
And then you have the asymptomatic which never got tested.
so we do not actually know the number of cases of corona.

And there is another factor. The lock downs and the mask wearing and the social distancing and the stimulus and the non essential workers and businesses.

So, the population, as quantified by the government, is everyone. The entire population of the US because YOU are all assumed to be in quarantine and so YOU are all infected.
333,188,423.

And so 616,000/333,188,423=0.00184
But that is the rate of death.
The rate of survival is 99.816

And this is why the economy is shut down for 332.5 million people
Make sense?

(This is the fall of the Holy Roman Empire in case you were wondering)

But not everyone has been infected with COVID-19. People who don't have a disease, cannot die from it. So your calculations are based on a faulty assumption because you are including people who have not had the disease in a discussion about how survivable the disease is.

LOL.

Four million is world wide. There are 8 billion in the world.
That is .0005
The survival rate is 99.95.

On a global scale, 4 million is nothing.
4.5 million die on the planet every month.

8 Billion haven't 'survived' COVID-19 because most of them have never had it.

If you want to figure out the survival rate, you divide the number of deaths, by the number that have had the disease, not by the biggest unrelated number you can think of.

There is no known accurate method of determining the number of people that have had the disease.
There are people that are asymptomatic. They present no evidence of the disease.
There are people who have had the disease who have never been tested.
There are people who have been tested positive who did not have the disease.
There are people who tested negative who did have the disease.

With all of these incongruities, any statistics provided by the government are suspect.

All you can actually go by is the way the government is treating the population.
The government ordered universal masking, universal social distancing, universal lock down, universal stimulous.
The actions of the government created an effective universal quarantine.

Quarantine is the isolation of those who are sick or suspected to be sick. You do not isolate the healthy.

Therefore all are assumed to be infected.
All 8 billion.

They have been using the numbers of people who have tested positive for COVID-19 as the source of their numbers. It is absolutely the most accurate measure we have and is likely to be very close to the truth. Speculation and especially the inclusion of everything in the known universe 'just in case', is invalid.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: sraven

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: sraven

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: sraven
the published rates are all manipulations.

first the word survival. what does that mean? what, that you lived?
because living with one of the numerous side affects is still living?
anything that holds you back by a breath from death is survival?

and then there is the idea of whether you died from corona or died with corona.
Motorcycle got hit by a Mack Truck and rider died but tested for corona?

More than 4 million have died from COVID-19. That's a lot of motorcycle accidents all of a sudden.

and then there is the idea that no one died from the flu during this pandemic.

That's BS too. Fewer people died from flu, but that could easily have been the masks, social distancing, sanitization, and lockdowns having an effect.

Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales: deaths occurring between 1 January and 31 August 2020

Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season

the death numbers are suspect but here they are - 616,000.

but in order to define the rate, you must quantify the population.
And "they" identify the population as "Cases of corona".
but we know that the tests they used had false positives and probably false negatives.
And then you have the asymptomatic which never got tested.
so we do not actually know the number of cases of corona.

And there is another factor. The lock downs and the mask wearing and the social distancing and the stimulus and the non essential workers and businesses.

So, the population, as quantified by the government, is everyone. The entire population of the US because YOU are all assumed to be in quarantine and so YOU are all infected.
333,188,423.

And so 616,000/333,188,423=0.00184
But that is the rate of death.
The rate of survival is 99.816

And this is why the economy is shut down for 332.5 million people
Make sense?

(This is the fall of the Holy Roman Empire in case you were wondering)

But not everyone has been infected with COVID-19. People who don't have a disease, cannot die from it. So your calculations are based on a faulty assumption because you are including people who have not had the disease in a discussion about how survivable the disease is.

LOL.

Four million is world wide. There are 8 billion in the world.
That is .0005
The survival rate is 99.95.

On a global scale, 4 million is nothing.
4.5 million die on the planet every month.

8 Billion haven't 'survived' COVID-19 because most of them have never had it.

If you want to figure out the survival rate, you divide the number of deaths, by the number that have had the disease, not by the biggest unrelated number you can think of.

There is no known accurate method of determining the number of people that have had the disease.
There are people that are asymptomatic. They present no evidence of the disease.
There are people who have had the disease who have never been tested.
There are people who have been tested positive who did not have the disease.
There are people who tested negative who did have the disease.

With all of these incongruities, any statistics provided by the government are suspect.

All you can actually go by is the way the government is treating the population.
The government ordered universal masking, universal social distancing, universal lock down, universal stimulous.
The actions of the government created an effective universal quarantine.

Quarantine is the isolation of those who are sick or suspected to be sick. You do not isolate the healthy.

Therefore all are assumed to be infected.
All 8 billion.

They have been using the numbers of people who have tested positive for COVID-19 as the source of their numbers. It is absolutely the most accurate measure we have and is likely to be very close to the truth. Speculation and especially the inclusion of everything in the known universe 'just in case', is invalid.

the tests have repeated been shown to be inaccurate

so, what happens when you test positive?
they tell you to go home, take ibuprofen, and call when you have organ failure and need a hospital bed.

That is not the response of an accurate test . . . or a pandemic.

in a pandemic, they usher you off to a quarantine facility . . . unless the assumption is the entire population in already infected.

originally posted by: sraven

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: sraven

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: sraven

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: sraven
the published rates are all manipulations.

first the word survival. what does that mean? what, that you lived?
because living with one of the numerous side affects is still living?
anything that holds you back by a breath from death is survival?

and then there is the idea of whether you died from corona or died with corona.
Motorcycle got hit by a Mack Truck and rider died but tested for corona?

More than 4 million have died from COVID-19. That's a lot of motorcycle accidents all of a sudden.

and then there is the idea that no one died from the flu during this pandemic.

That's BS too. Fewer people died from flu, but that could easily have been the masks, social distancing, sanitization, and lockdowns having an effect.

Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales: deaths occurring between 1 January and 31 August 2020

Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season

the death numbers are suspect but here they are - 616,000.

but in order to define the rate, you must quantify the population.
And "they" identify the population as "Cases of corona".
but we know that the tests they used had false positives and probably false negatives.
And then you have the asymptomatic which never got tested.
so we do not actually know the number of cases of corona.

And there is another factor. The lock downs and the mask wearing and the social distancing and the stimulus and the non essential workers and businesses.

So, the population, as quantified by the government, is everyone. The entire population of the US because YOU are all assumed to be in quarantine and so YOU are all infected.
333,188,423.

And so 616,000/333,188,423=0.00184
But that is the rate of death.
The rate of survival is 99.816

And this is why the economy is shut down for 332.5 million people
Make sense?

(This is the fall of the Holy Roman Empire in case you were wondering)

But not everyone has been infected with COVID-19. People who don't have a disease, cannot die from it. So your calculations are based on a faulty assumption because you are including people who have not had the disease in a discussion about how survivable the disease is.

LOL.

Four million is world wide. There are 8 billion in the world.
That is .0005
The survival rate is 99.95.

On a global scale, 4 million is nothing.
4.5 million die on the planet every month.

8 Billion haven't 'survived' COVID-19 because most of them have never had it.

If you want to figure out the survival rate, you divide the number of deaths, by the number that have had the disease, not by the biggest unrelated number you can think of.

There is no known accurate method of determining the number of people that have had the disease.
There are people that are asymptomatic. They present no evidence of the disease.
There are people who have had the disease who have never been tested.
There are people who have been tested positive who did not have the disease.
There are people who tested negative who did have the disease.

With all of these incongruities, any statistics provided by the government are suspect.

All you can actually go by is the way the government is treating the population.
The government ordered universal masking, universal social distancing, universal lock down, universal stimulous.
The actions of the government created an effective universal quarantine.

Quarantine is the isolation of those who are sick or suspected to be sick. You do not isolate the healthy.

Therefore all are assumed to be infected.
All 8 billion.

They have been using the numbers of people who have tested positive for COVID-19 as the source of their numbers. It is absolutely the most accurate measure we have and is likely to be very close to the truth. Speculation and especially the inclusion of everything in the known universe 'just in case', is invalid.

the tests have repeated been shown to be inaccurate

Which tests? Please provide supportive links?

Rt-PCR tests are highly accurate and are held to be the gold-standard of COVID-19 testing. It's rate of false positives is between 0.8% and 4.3%

False positivity rate of the COVID-19 PCR test

The false negative rate is higher but reduces as the infection spreads, being lowest (@ 21%) at day 8 after assumed first exposure to the virus.

False-Negative Rate of RT-PCR SARS-CoV-2 Tests

Many of the cheaper tests are antibody tests and will only show positivity once your body has developed antibodies, which in the case of a novel virus like SARS-CoV-2 means that they will not return a positive in early infections. Similarly, antibody tests will also return a positive when people have overcome COVID-19 and are no longer infectious.

so, what happens when you test positive?
they tell you to go home, take ibuprofen, and call when you have organ failure and need a hospital bed.

That is not the response of an accurate test . . . or a pandemic.

in a pandemic, they usher you off to a quarantine facility . . . unless the assumption is the entire population in already infected.

If that is the response to a positive test, then it is unlikely that the authorities are doing anything effective to stop the spread of the disease in your area.

In most countries, immediate quarantine occurs.

Don't even bother trying. The BS has really gotten to this one. Unfortunately there is no hope.
A good sign of totalt devotion to Covid is repeated long blocks of text that attempt to skirt round the issue and confuse with multiple "sources" and repeated denial of even offical sources showing the survival rate is indeed that high.

For these people the truth cannot be true. They have spent that long with maaks on doom mongering, that it cannot be anything other than what the media tells them.

"It's easier to fool someone, than it is to convince them they have been fooled"

Let them take the untested MRNA that the developer themselves warned against. But don't try telling them that, they will call it fake news. Even though he did invent it, and he did say that 😂


reply to: sraven

Do you believe your Goverment has ever lied to you ?

a reply to: chr0naut