Vaccines are Pushing Pathogens to Evolve

May 10, 2018 - Quanta Magazine

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The problem with leaky vaccines, Read says, is that they enable pathogens to replicate unchecked while also protecting hosts from illness and death, thereby removing the costs associated with increased virulence. Over time, then, in a world of leaky vaccinations, a pathogen might evolve to become deadlier to unvaccinated hosts because it can reap the benefits of virulence without the costs — much as Marek’s disease has slowly become more lethal to unvaccinated chickens. This virulence can also cause the vaccine to start failing by causing illness in vaccinated hosts.

originally posted by: UnRepentantHarlequin
May 10, 2018 - Quanta Magazine

www.quantamagazine.org...


The problem with leaky vaccines, Read says, is that they enable pathogens to replicate unchecked while also protecting hosts from illness and death, thereby removing the costs associated with increased virulence. Over time, then, in a world of leaky vaccinations, a pathogen might evolve to become deadlier to unvaccinated hosts because it can reap the benefits of virulence without the costs — much as Marek’s disease has slowly become more lethal to unvaccinated chickens. This virulence can also cause the vaccine to start failing by causing illness in vaccinated hosts.

Do a search for IAMTAT's thread on Marek's disease in chickens.

Good Info.

a reply to: UnRepentantHarlequin

Yeah.
Smallpox, much worse than ever.
Polio, much worse than ever.
Measles, much worse than ever.
Mumps, much worse than ever...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: UnRepentantHarlequin

Yeah.
Smallpox, much worse than ever.
Polio, much worse than ever.
Measles, much worse than ever.
Mumps, much worse than ever...

What's the difference? Like Sesame Street, one of these things are not like the other.

Those vaccines don't have the same properties as the C-Jab.

Those vaccine's gave the host almost complete immunity from the disease.

The C-Jab doesn't.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: UnRepentantHarlequin

Yeah.
Smallpox, much worse than ever.
Polio, much worse than ever.
Measles, much worse than ever.
Mumps, much worse than ever...

Is this really a real " vaccine " people are being jabbed with for the corona virus?

a reply to: MykeNukem

Those vaccine's gave the host almost complete immunity from the disease.

Not really. (and apostrophes aren't used for plurals)

One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella.

Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps.

www.cdc.gov...

Polio is better, after 3 doses it's about 99% effective.

But they all reduce the severity of infection when it does occur.

But maybe the OP should have been more specific?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MykeNukem

Those vaccine's gave the host almost complete immunity from the disease.

Not really. (and apostrophes aren't used for plurals)

One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella.

Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps.

www.cdc.gov...

Polio is better, after 3 doses it's about 99% effective.

But they all reduce the severity of infection when it does occur.

Those diseases have been practically eradicated, and the chances of being infected with Polio after being vaccinated is almost so insignificant that it isn't even worth the mention.

Are you going to sit here and tell me that you think the Vid will be eradicated with the current vaccines?

Or will we cause never-ending mutation because of break-through cases?

If we keep up with this "vaccine" we are ACTUALLY going to create a killer virus, similar to what happened with Marek's.

ETA: I can pick apart your grammar too, if you wanna play that game. Didn't expect that, lmao. Sometimes the pinky does, what the pinky does.

a reply to: MykeNukem

Those diseases have been practically eradicated,

I wonder how that happened.

Are you going to sit here and tell me that you think the Vid will be eradicated with the current vaccines?

Don't know.

If we keep up with this "vaccine" we are ACTUALLY going to create a killer virus, similar to what happened with Marek's.

Do you think that viruses only mutate when exposed to a vaccine? That's not the way it works.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MykeNukem

I wonder how that happened.

An actual vaccine that works, happened.

Don't know.

Well, don't you think it's going to be successful?

Do you think that viruses only mutate when exposed to a vaccine? That's not the way it works.

Not at all.

But most "vaccines" vaccinate people against the disease, thereby, stopping that potential.

a reply to: MykeNukem

But most "vaccines" vaccinate people against the disease, thereby, stopping that potential.

Took a long time for smallpox to go away. Lots of people died before that happened. Do you think they died because of the vaccine or because of the disease?

It was never claimed that the COVID vaccines are 100% effective. No vaccine is.

So why did the Children in India got Paralyzed after vaccinations?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MykeNukem

But most "vaccines" vaccinate people against the disease, thereby, stopping that potential.

Took a lot time for smallpox to go away. Lots of people died before that happened. Do you think they died because of the vaccine or because of the disease?

It was never claimed that the COVID vaccines are 100% effective. No vaccine is.

It did take a while to beat smallpox, but not because of the lack of vaccine. Since we know that ancient China had a homebrew vaccine for it.

More of an information and distribution problem, which we don't have now.

I wouldn't claim that a vaccine had to be 100% effective. Never have.

a reply to: MykeNukem

Since we know that ancient China had a homebrew vaccine for it.

Inoculation, not vaccination.
Yeah. Using the live virus. Good plan. You might survive the disease or not. That's the difference between inoculation and vaccination. With vaccination you don't catch the disease but your immune system reacts as if you did.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MykeNukem

Since we know that ancient China had a homebrew vaccine for it.

Inoculation, not vaccination.
Yeah. Using the live virus. Good plan. You might survive the disease or not. That's the difference between inoculation and vaccination. With vaccination you don't catch the disease but your immune system reacts as if you did.

Worked pretty good for smallpox, no?

That is where we got the name "vaccine" from, after all.

I'd rather catch the Vid, than get a C-Jab. That's how much I think I require a "vaccine" for it.

Maybe for the elderly, but this isn't smallpox, and this "vaccine" can't be compared to the smallpox vaccine, which actually did it's job.

a reply to: MykeNukem

Worked pretty good for smallpox, no?

You know that Jenner didn't use smallpox, right?

I'd rather catch the Vid, than get a C-Jab. That's how much I think I require a "vaccine" for it.

Good for you.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MykeNukem

Worked pretty good for smallpox, no?

You know that Jenner didn't use smallpox, right?

I'd rather catch the Vid, than get a C-Jab. That's how much I think I require a "vaccine" for it.

Good for you.

I thought I JUST mentioned where the word "vaccine" came from. It's all in the name.

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MykeNukem

Worked pretty good for smallpox, no?

You know that Jenner didn't use smallpox, right?

I'd rather catch the Vid, than get a C-Jab. That's how much I think I require a "vaccine" for it.

Good for you.

I thought I JUST mentioned where the word "vaccine" came from. It's all in the name.

I have no idea what your point might be.

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MykeNukem

Worked pretty good for smallpox, no?

You know that Jenner didn't use smallpox, right?

I'd rather catch the Vid, than get a C-Jab. That's how much I think I require a "vaccine" for it.

Good for you.

I thought I JUST mentioned where the word "vaccine" came from. It's all in the name.

I have no idea what your point might be.

You asked about Jenner, didn't you?

Does the word "vaccine' have anything to do with cows?

a reply to: MykeNukem

You seemed to be comparing Jenner to the Chinese practice.

Jenner's vaccine provided protection from smallpox without contracting smallpox. That's what it has to do with the word "vaccine."

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MykeNukem

You seemed to be comparing Jenner to the Chinese practice.

Jenner's vaccine provided protection from smallpox without contracting smallpox. That's what it has to do with the word "vaccine."

I was comparing, but not the points that you focused on.

The key point is that it provided protection from smallpox.

Something the C-Jab doesn't live up to, unfortunately.