How Do We Know the Vaccine's Working?

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: 1947boomer

It’s not the survival rate, as such, that will be the first indicator. The best indicator will be the basic reproduction number, Rt. When Rt is greater than 1, the pandemic will grow, when Rt is less than 1, the pandemic will die out on its own.

Funny you say that.

Let's see what happens when the actual numbers of people that HAD to have the vaccine can't reproduce anymore.

Sterility.

THEN we will know that your owners don't need your vote anymore to stay in power.

Like they didn't need it in 2020.

But take heart... even dead you will still vote Democrat.

Exactly what data do you have that the vaccines produce sterility? I’m guessing the answer is “zero”.

Actually the Catholic church found excessively high levels of gonadotrophin were in Gates Foundation vaccines distributed throughout Africa...theres plenty of precedent for intentional medical malpractice.

thatll hinder/stop conception at high levels...

a reply to: Lumenari

Who needs condoms? Just make sure you're triple masked when you stick it in and you're all good.

Fauci taught me this.

a reply to: dug88

The Vaccines do work no question of that at least for now but of course virus mutate and it is only a matter of time before this virus is sufficiently mutated to need a new vaccine.

That said it is not if the vaccines work but what other affects upon the human organism the vaccine has that are the question.

Altering the human genome to produce the spike protein sounds fine on paper for example until you remember the biotech company's got protection from prosecution and that such a method may lead to infertility in woman as a result of that same spike protein molecule which there baby in there womb may then also start to produce even years after the inoculation, indeed altering the human DNA as a treatment has very long lasting, life long consequences that will cause problem's.

In a woman whom has O Rhesus Negative (the Rhesus factor is a blood molecule some - most people have but some do not) for example if her partner is O Rhesus positive her body has a high chance of rejecting her own foetus because it may have the Rhesus factor which her body does not and this molecule will trigger her immune system which will then recognize the foetus as a foreign body.

The Spike Protein is just like the Rhesus factor in this argument, it is an immune response triggering foreign body, if the mother's cells produce it and that mutation (alteration or splicing of the viral DNA into our own DNA) is then passed onto her foetus it will also produce it and that will trigger the immune response to attack the foetus in the womb.

So it does put some serious argument that this may be a very serious issue, is someone trying to kill the population by masking a birth reduction method as a treatment (which it definitely is) for the new strain of flu (which is almost definitely also genetically engineered).

Now you can not tell me that all those molecular biologists, blood specialists and other medical professionals and pharmacologists out there do not know this, likely many have been gagged and are watching impotently or told that we need to cull human numbers or some other crap to keep them quite.

Just like the Rhesus factor all it need's for the woman's body to reject her Foetus is for the father to have been given this questionable treatment as the baby may then inherit this artificial mutation and may produce the spike molecule in her womb even if she has not been vaccinated with this method.

But Vaccines do work, this method of genetically modifying the recipient is however NOT a vaccine it is part vaccine and part genetic modification while all we really needed for a vaccine was to use proxy host cell's to grow the virus, irradiate it until it was not able to reproduce or even to use some other method to destroy the viral DNA while keeping the sheath (outer virus protein including the spike protein and enzymes) intact then giving people that as an inert injection to trigger there immune response which - is - a vaccine, or to make a harmless virus that does not make us ill and give it the genes to produce the same outer shell as Covid then give that to people in the vein of the original first vaccine which was cowpox used to inoculate against small pox.

I am not an anti vaxxer but I do have very strong and very serious reservations about this new method which I think is ill founded and definitely may conceal an ulterior motive.

This is not rumour mongering just simple reason and a basic understanding.

This Indian lady clears up the problem, remember there is little difference to the immune system between a blood group difference and that spike protein if it becomes a permanent fixture of our body's which this genetically modifying approach aims to make it.

So just like the Rhesus factor causing possible infertility in mixed blood group couples the presence of the spike protein may also cause infertility issues.


Here I am using the Rhesus factor and the natural human body's response to foreign proteins in the blood and how it can affect pregnancy but that only affects though with that blood group disparity between themselves and there baby.

The danger with the spike protein is that this will cause EVERY baby whose parent has been inoculated using this gene editing method and whose antibody's are already attacking and responding to that spike protein in there blood to react much, much faster and due to the high number of anti body's to the protein in there blood even more rapidly and make pregnancy potentially even more difficult than the Rhesus factor immune response would, in fact it makes it almost definite that the mother's body WILL attack the foetus making conception very difficult indeed and likely to increase miscarriage to never before seen percentage's.

If you want to cull the human race by cutting down the number of children that survive through pregnancy this is one way of doing it and even then the children so born that survive the trauma of there mother's body attacking them in the womb may have serious issues with there health as a result of there mother's body's reactions to the protein, we have all seen this before of course and one reason the Pharmaceutical corporations were demanding protection before giving out this as they knew the likely side affects.

We dont know what the purpose of the vaccine is yet. I guess we will know when it starts doing what its supposed to do.

a reply to: visitedbythem

I assumed the purpose of a covid vaccine during a covid pandemic would be to stop us all from dying of covid...what other purpose would a covid vaccine administered during a covid pandemic have?

a reply to: dug88

Read my response and if you have any training in molecular biology you will see it is well founded.

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: visitedbythem

I assumed the purpose of a covid vaccine during a covid pandemic would be to stop us all from dying of covid...what other purpose would a covid vaccine administered during a covid pandemic have?

We dont know what the purpose of the vaccine is yet. we will know when it starts doing what its supposed to do. We do however know what scripture says happens when people receive something they shouldnt. They begin to develop boils and sores all over their bodies.

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: Breakthestreak

The defunct, unreliable, bough-and-paid-for, corrupt, incompetent and obsolete w.h.o (and their terrorist masters, cNn/CCP) will let you know when the vaccine has worked

No...I mean actually...to those people that are genuinely scared of this and actually believe the vaccine will save the world. What survival rate would you deem acceptable? Like what percentage of people who survive a bout of covid will it take for such to stop being scared of death and accept they can live without fear of covid death?

Here's an example from a 'believer' family member. "We can all go maskless now for get togethers, except for "family member" ...because they will be the only one who hasn't gotten 'the mark'. I said, "ummm but you can still get it and be a carrier, same as before" 'the mark'. Their reply, "Oh but it won't be as bad". (sat there shaking and scratching my head.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Man..you don't need to lecture me on vaccines, I.ve had plenty.

For example, I willingly went for a rabies vaccine while working with bats because the idea of dying from rabies is horrible.

I regularly get tetanus shots because dying from tetanus seems horrible.

Your explanation still doesn't explain how said covid shot compares to the above mentioned vaccines where the risk of suffering and very #ty death occurs upon contracting those diseases, pretty much no matter what...you're #ed...

So...about that covid # now...

That's my reference as far as vaccines go...

Polio, tetanus, those childhood ones you get that stop diseases that used to maim and kill kids, rabies shots that that give you the super power to play with bats and racoons with impunity.

What super powers does the covid vaccine grant me?

What kind of awful, tortuous death is it saving me from?

a reply to: Kaiju666

Maybe kindly remind said family member that if they're over the age of 18 they legally have the right to join the army and kill or be killed for their country.

Why should they need the permission of other people to live normally?

a reply to: LABTECH767

My dad is a 94 year old retired genius Microbiologist, Chemist, Parasitologist, Bacterilogolist, engineer, Director of research for a fortune 500 company. went to 4 or 5 colleges, and was very pro vaccine his whole life. Until now. He said do not take that into my body. He knows what he is talking about. He began his medical training prior to WW2, and jumped everyone in the company to become the Medical officer

a reply to: dug88

Well if it gave me back my 22 year old physique and gave me the ability to clime wall's and jump a high building in a single bound I would definitely go and get it.

This is a new type of treatment you have never had before, those were mostly traditional vaccines but this one actually alters your DNA to make it produce a protein from the shell of the virus and that protein then triggers your own immune system, because the cell's so altered then keep on producing this protein and it does not go away your immune response continued to react to the foreign protein.

The danger is that this new genetic material may then be passed on to the next generation and cause an allergic or immune response in expectant mother's even if only the father has been so inoculated.

The biggest danger of that is then miscarriage or even birth defects as a result of the mothers immune response attacking her baby, it has nothing to do with a claim made by some of it binding to the placenta though that may be true as well.

PS decades ago he also warned me against regularly getting tetanus shots, as they are not good for your body. They should only be taken when necessary. Fear is quite a motivator. Im not afraid, just very cautious with those who I have caught lying to me

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: 1947boomer

It’s not the survival rate, as such, that will be the first indicator. The best indicator will be the basic reproduction number, Rt. When Rt is greater than 1, the pandemic will grow, when Rt is less than 1, the pandemic will die out on its own.

Funny you say that.

Let's see what happens when the actual numbers of people that HAD to have the vaccine can't reproduce anymore.

Sterility.

THEN we will know that your owners don't need your vote anymore to stay in power.

Like they didn't need it in 2020.

But take heart... even dead you will still vote Democrat.

Exactly what data do you have that the vaccines produce sterility? I’m guessing the answer is “zero”.

Just from a super easy search ...an example of tetnus shot being suspicious of conferring infertilty: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

a reply to: LABTECH767

Yes...I understand what it is...the role RNA plays in the transcription of DNA, the functioning behind this experimental gene therapy...


The biggest danger is that this is a mass experiment of a novel gene therapy treatment under the guise of a vaccine for a disease that's not dangerous to 97%-99% of the population that's being forced by governments who are paying massive corporations with histories of not only negligence but down right evil practices involving thousands and thousands of deaths and countless human misery, to do this.

a reply to: visitedbythem

My old work environments for most of my adult life tended to.involve situations and things where I'd be at risk of tetanus. A lof of dirt, metal and cuts. Otherwise, I likely would have refrained until an injury or something.

a reply to: dug88

And it may cause unpredictable results in some folk's, even trigger cancers as one possible affect though that may not be the most likely result, however new and old genetic material is prone to mutate in our cell's so whom can say how it will play out in the long game.

Also those same big pharmaceutical company's now liberated from potential prosecution stand to win either way, they produce the vaccine which may cause these problems and the treatment's that will then be used to resolve these issues this vaccine may cause so both are profitable for them.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Pfizer's CEO cashed out 62% of his stocks before the vaccine was even made public. The last relatively conservative estimate I read about covid vaccine profits pegged it at $60 billion, possibly per year with, the possibly necessary booster shots.

From what I can tell, 2020 was a year of pharmaceutical marketing for a common cold shot. And their marketing scheme went off without a hitch.

OP. . 😑... Really?😏 .. You honestly, don't know?.. You probably, will never know.

As long as your fellow "citizens", aren't trying to, "bite your face" off?.. It honesty, ain't your problem, or "ours"!... "Democratically" speaking?..I couldn't give a sh*t!

You have been "safe" this whole time!.. Keep wearing your "mask"!.. Apparently?.. It keeps, "your germs",.. off of "us"!..Which is a good thing!.. Right?
Keep being, "the new normal" for "us"!

Then learn how to do, ..."tricks for treats",.. like a good pet!.. You'll probably be the "most educated" serf that ever lived!

You idiots, will scare yourselves into being slaves.
Or just by being idiots, by design...

a reply to: murphy22

As long as your fellow "citizens", aren't trying to, "bite your face" off?.. It honesty, ain't your problem, or "ours"!... "Democratically" speaking?..I couldn't give a sh*t!

I give a # the businesses I go into are forced by government to force me to tie a piece a cloth over my face, as long as I'm standing and not sitting at a table, on threat of fines over $10000 for the business and several hundred for me should I disobey the orders the government is forcing businesses to comply with.

How Do We Know the Vaccine's Working?

They tell us it is.....

(and some folk actually believe it)

originally posted by: visitedbythem
PS decades ago he also warned me against regularly getting tetanus shots, as they are not good for your body. They should only be taken when necessary. Fear is quite a motivator. Im not afraid, just very cautious with those who I have caught lying to me

You only need one tetanus shot in your life. This finding is already a few years old but they NHS do agree here in the uk about that.
Repeated teyanus injections are just to make money.