Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

a reply to: alphabetaone

And yet, its all still ongoing.

Hot air and conjecture, id hoped more out of you.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: vkey08

If people are claiming fraud in what is suppost to be a fair, open, transparent and audible election, the people have every right to look.

The government is undermining the will of the people by obfuscuting that process, which in and of itself screams of wrongdoing.

If there is no fraud, no foul play or anything, then why not let themselves prove over and over again that they are wrong?

"People" aren't claiming fraud.

Donald Trump claimed fraud because he lost. his acolytes like Mike Lindell and Tucker Carlson ran with it and stirred up a hornets nest, all because the only way Trump could have lost is fraud...

Think about that for a second.

Nobody, absolutely nobody started shouting fraud until Trump did. In fact, he started screaming it BEFORE the election was even counted. Then he made the false claim that he won by "yugely bigly numbers". Then to make it all worse, when Congress was counting the electors votes, he chastised Mike Pence for following the law and certifying the electors, all the while riling up his supporters about all of this "fraud" and how they had to take action to get their country back.

Remember this is the same man that claimed he could kill someone on the streets of NYC and no one would care, and that all women loved him and wanted him (personally I think he's icky looking but that's just my personal opinion, certainly not my type) AND that he was an expert in all things, "Knowing more about __fill in the blank here __ than anyone else"

I also seem to remember he advocated trying to find out if there was a way to shine UV light inside the human body, barring that, if there was a way to inject disinfectants, do you see the pattern here? I won't even get into his "Grab them by the you know what" comments. I almost spewed my coffee all over my desk the day I heard that one on the news.

This, THIS is the man that started all the furor that there was fraud in the election. No one else BUT him.

Some may call this Trump Derangement Syndrome, but in reality it's IAMSICKOFTRUMP syndrome. Every time the man opens his mouth, we have weeks of stupidity and riled up people roaming around trying to do some other stupid thing, or putting down some other group of people (can we have a China Virus anyone?)

Now don't get me wrong, I have zero love for the Peoples Republic of China, I think they are a cancer on the globe for their political ideology, but the virus is a virus, whether it escaped from a lab or not, it's the evolution of the SARS-CoV-1 (SARS) and the MERS-CoV (MERS) viruses, it was bound to happen sooner or later, calling it the "China Virus" plays to the LCD.

So before you chew me out again for not having anything useful to say, remember this, Trump shoots for the LCD, the Lowest Common Denominator when he goes after a sound bite or a press release, the is hoping the people listening to him are so blinded by loyalty to him they don't question him on anything he says, and continue to blindly follow him.

These audits for supposed fraud are just another in a long line of Trump lies. If you can't see it, you're blind.

(of course Hillary is just as bad, but who's counting)

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

I break that Speed Limit law every day. People freak out when I post "I break the law every day". LOL.

And I hope someday you get nailed by an observant officer and his radar gun. (Yes I have gotten caught for speeding in my life, so I am not wishing on anyone that which I have not been guilty of myself)

a reply to: vkey08

I'm one person who believes it was fraud. I watched election night in my own state as well as AZ being called and numbers spiking etc. I'm sure I can fine one more and then we can be "people."

So before you chew me out again for not having anything useful to say

I don't recall saying that but if the shoe fits...

Some may call this Trump Derangement Syndrome, but in reality it's IAMSICKOFTRUMP syndrome.

Are you trying to convince me or yourself?

I'm here for election integrity. Why keep making it about Trump?

a reply to: vkey08

I see you.

I understand you.

I believe you are right.


You're under the mistaken premise that they care. They do not, and no matter how much you talk, how much logic you put forth, it's wasted.

The best outcome i can hope for, for you.... is that it makes you feel better to say it.

For my part, im not sure why i keep trying to get them to see reason. I used to believe i felt a shared brotherhood with people on here....my mistake.

originally posted by: vkey08

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: vkey08

If people are claiming fraud in what is suppost to be a fair, open, transparent and audible election, the people have every right to look.

The government is undermining the will of the people by obfuscuting that process, which in and of itself screams of wrongdoing.

If there is no fraud, no foul play or anything, then why not let themselves prove over and over again that they are wrong?

"People" aren't claiming fraud.

Donald Trump claimed fraud because he lost. his acolytes like Mike Lindell and Tucker Carlson ran with it and stirred up a hornets nest, all because the only way Trump could have lost is fraud...

Think about that for a second.

Nobody, absolutely nobody started shouting fraud until Trump did. In fact, he started screaming it BEFORE the election was even counted. Then he made the false claim that he won by "yugely bigly numbers". Then to make it all worse, when Congress was counting the electors votes, he chastised Mike Pence for following the law and certifying the electors, all the while riling up his supporters about all of this "fraud" and how they had to take action to get their country back.

Not "before the election was even counted"

He started talking about it before the votes were even cast.

Remember this is the same man that claimed he could kill someone on the streets of NYC and no one would care, and that all women loved him and wanted him (personally I think he's icky looking but that's just my personal opinion, certainly not my type) AND that he was an expert in all things, "Knowing more about __fill in the blank here __ than anyone else"

I also seem to remember he advocated trying to find out if there was a way to shine UV light inside the human body, barring that, if there was a way to inject disinfectants, do you see the pattern here? I won't even get into his "Grab them by the you know what" comments. I almost spewed my coffee all over my desk the day I heard that one on the news.

Why does it bother you that he advocated trying to find those things out? He didn't advocate doing them, just looking into them.

He was asking questions about a field he had little knowledge of. OMG!!! Asking a question!??!?!?!?!?!?!?

Do you want people who don't know about a topic to just guess?

This, THIS is the man that started all the furor that there was fraud in the election. No one else BUT him.

Half the reason Trump is popular is because he played to the 911 truther crowd. People who already believed dominion machines were being used to generate false tallies.

They think he's fighting against "The Deep State".

And indeed if this were true, everything he has done follows that pattern.

Saying there will be cheating prior to an election amounts to throwing an election. Your own constituents would be less likely to vote at all (believing it won't be counted anyway.) A person would only do that if they believed they were guaranteed to lose. Not while hope of winning still exists.

You saw how close the election actually was.

So why do something so desperate while there is still a high chance of winning? It doesn't add up.

So before you chew me out again for not having anything useful to say, remember this, Trump shoots for the LCD, the Lowest Common Denominator when he goes after a sound bite or a press release, the is hoping the people listening to him are so blinded by loyalty to him they don't question him on anything he says, and continue to blindly follow him.

These audits for supposed fraud are just another in a long line of Trump lies. If you can't see it, you're blind.

(of course Hillary is just as bad, but who's counting)

Both sides shoot for the lowest common denominator. They just shoot for different ones.

Dems spent the entire summer playing to the "where's my million dollar check?" crowd. Idiots who think they've been cheated if they didn't start life never having to work. (And dumb enough to believe a whole population group such as "all white people" are getting to live that life.)

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

You claimed that it was hypocritical to care about one but not the other.

Ok, so.... is it hypocritical to care about breaking one law and not another?

Yes. Because "fact the law was broken" isn't what people are mad about.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
Driving faster than 55 miles per hour in a 55 mile per hour zone on the road is also "breaking the law".

Right. And if an officer targets you for it, you get cited.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
When Rosa Parks refused to move to the back of the bus in 1955 she was also "breaking the law"

Right. And the laws got changed. At the time, would i have sided with law enforcement? Absolutely. Get the laws changed the right way, as was done.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
The law can be wrong.

See above.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
And in America, since the people are the absolute sovereign, if enough of us agree that the law is wrong, we have the absolute right to completely ignore it.

No.... you do NOT have the absolute right to "ignore the law", the rights you have are to change the laws

And what do you do when it becomes illegal to change (or even question) the law?

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
The government said it did when it refused to simply make the data on that hard drive available to people who wanted to know.

You have zero rights to private passwords and voting system integrity.

No. We have the ABSOLUTE right to those things.

The people are the voters. They are the final owners of the entire process.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
I really think you are not an American, because you keep showing yourself to be truly ignorant of our ways.

LOL im ignorant by suggesting that ignoring laws no matter what they entail is anti-American?

"No matter what they entail"? What do you mean by that?

Most Americans don't care about legal vs illegal. Only care if it is right or wrong in a moral sense. Which is why most laws are designed to align with what most of the population believes to be right and wrong.

Americans obey the law in much the same manner as the "Pirates Code" in Pirates of the Carribean. "It's really more of a guideline".

I mean: the English language itself has an exception for nearly every rule of grammer and spelling.

It probably is hard for you to understand this if you grew up in China.

You Americans that actually care about The vote in Arizona…read up on the process of voting and verification….I’ve never seen such ignorance being admitted to and celebrated as this thread clearly shows.

This isn’t rocket science, it’s the counting of marks on paper or cardboard

Also you have many precincts that are reporting at different times. That’s why you see large groups of votes being added at different times

Random precincts are pulled and those ballots go though hand counts with Witness verification

a reply to: bloodymarvelous
It did actually throw the vote in a way. Remember the "ballots in the river" false claim? The "mail in voting is unsafe" claim? It skewed the way the counting went, which then in turn led to the "but huge numbers came in when Trump was leading". He made his own supporters think mailing in the ballot was not the way to go and because the count was not a practically all in person voting. They had to go and collect and count any votes in the drop boxes after the end of the voting period.

originally posted by: vkey08

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

I break that Speed Limit law every day. People freak out when I post "I break the law every day". LOL.

And I hope someday you get nailed by an observant officer and his radar gun. (Yes I have gotten caught for speeding in my life, so I am not wishing on anyone that which I have not been guilty of myself)

I've been busted 4 times since 1988 (WI-MI-IN-IL). I'd pay for an annual speed permit like they had in Spain years ago, if it were offered here in the states.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
a reply to: vkey08

I see you.

I understand you.

I believe you are right.


You're under the mistaken premise that they care. They do not, and no matter how much you talk, how much logic you put forth, it's wasted.

The best outcome i can hope for, for you.... is that it makes you feel better to say it.

For my part, im not sure why i keep trying to get them to see reason. I used to believe i felt a shared brotherhood with people on here....my mistake.

It's sad really, that's my only real purpose now is to show how sad it has become. They can't even see that all of this was started by one man, one very whiney man who cannot accept loss in any form.

It isn't about fraud anymore, it is about screwing up the electoral process so much that no one will ever trust the results again, and the Orange One can get reelected.

I worked in Government for years, you do not know how much hatred I get now, outside of my local coffee shop where everyone knows me, I used to get people thanking me for putting my life on the line every day, now, it's "Trump and Gab say your agency is full of liars, so you must be one too" I again am oversimplifying the comments but I will NOT ever put what was really said up on this site, for fear of being banned for obscene language)

The fact that I am now retired, that means nothing to these people, it's all about how we screwed Trump, and screwed Tucker, and screwed Mike and so on.

So once again, for everyone to read

THESE AUDITS ARE NOT ABOUT FINDING FRAUD, THEY ARE ABOUT STROKING THE EGO OF ONE MAN AND ONE MAN ONLY.

If there were fraud on the level that is being claimed, every single person in the United States would have been able to see it immediately on November 4th, the 5th of it were a little more subtle. It's simply NOT THERE.

As for the voters own the election so they have the right to passwords and routers crap, no you do not. The laws are VERY clear on this point, you as a citizen do not have the right ever to demand secure passwords to secure government systems. End of statement.

Of course.. Some of those SovCit's may disagree but hey..

a reply to: vkey08

For me, it's fascinating and puzzling watching Democrats in social media, on CNN/MSNBC, in the NYTimes, Atlantic, etc, devote so much time and energy lambasting a man (Trump) who was beaten by their candidate (Biden).

Hillary Clinton complained after losing to Donald Trump in 2016, but Trump supporters didn't light up social or mainstream media over Hillary's complaints. We didn't care, because we won, and had plans to Make America Great Again.

Seeing Biden supporters complain about Trump, instead of focusing on the next 3 years of Biden Making America Great Again from the Democrat's perspective, is quite puzzling.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea
I didn't know you had surgery. Thankfully infections are easily dealt with these days.

Yes, thank Heaven infections are easily handled these days. Even MRSAs and other antibiotic-resistant strains. Nothing is perfect, but much much better than it once was!

Looking forward to your cheery return to the thread, Boadicea. It's incredibly unselfish of you to have posted the update today.

Thank-you so much!

Thank you -- and you're welcome!

And yet, not once was a hanging chad a point of debate.

This thread will last for another 3 years

originally posted by: Butterfinger
And yet, not once was a hanging chad a point of debate.

This thread will last for another 3 years

This particular thread will do an auto shut-down when 399 pages are filled, I think.

originally posted by: vkey08

It's sad really, that's my only real purpose now is to show how sad it has become. They can't even see that all of this was started by one man, one very whiney man who cannot accept loss in any form.

Ya know, if ATS, with relatively low membership, were the only fringe place where conspiracy theories that have led to what they have led to, I would say "ehhhh, whats the harm, let them have their fun" .... Capitol police losing their lives, a woman losing her life, is where fun stops and it's no longer "fringe ATS folk" having that fun.

originally posted by: vkey08

It isn't about fraud anymore, it is about screwing up the electoral process so much that no one will ever trust the results again, and the Orange One can get reelected.

I think there's about zero chance trump will get the nomination. What i DO think, is that someone with a higher degree of intellect, someone that can vocalize professionally, someone with equal or greater malintent will get the nomination with trump as "advisor". I know, it borderline conspiracy theory itself, if not full blown CT.

originally posted by: vkey08

I worked in Government for years, you do not know how much hatred I get now, outside of my local coffee shop where everyone knows me, I used to get people thanking me for putting my life on the line every day, now, it's "Trump and Gab say your agency is full of liars, so you must be one too" I again am oversimplifying the comments but I will NOT ever put what was really said up on this site, for fear of being banned for obscene language)

The fact that I am now retired, that means nothing to these people, it's all about how we screwed Trump, and screwed Tucker, and screwed Mike and so on.

Likewise, i spent many years working for various agencies during my time in the service. I know it can be tough feeling as though what you've worked for (basically for the good of every US citizen) be spat upon because some orange guy cried.

Im retired from all that now too, and honestly just seeing it here makes me wonder about Bill Irvine's take...was this his vision? I just honestly dont believe that.

originally posted by: vkey08

As for the voters own the election so they have the right to passwords and routers crap, no you do not. The laws are VERY clear on this point, you as a citizen do not have the right ever to demand secure passwords to secure government systems. End of statement.

Of course.. Some of those SovCit's may disagree but hey..

Of course.....I challenge those SovCit's to walk into a bank, claim the right to alarm system codewords, pin's, vault schedules and duress codes because they have "the absolute right to ignore the laws they disagree with"....let's see how that goes

On topic... and trying to keep focused on the real target -- the audit results -- I've been reading the supplemental report from Cyber Ninjas responding to Maricopa County's response to the preliminary audit report. I would like to give you a direct link to the report in its entirety, but I can't. The scribd link that I had been reading has been removed -- reasons not given:

Cyber Ninjas Response to Maricopa County

The best I can give you is this link from the Gateway Pundit, which still has it posted in full (at the very bottom of the post):

BREAKING: Cyber Ninjas Releases Response to Maricopa County’s Audit Analysis — Liz Harrington Points Out Damning Findings

And/or Wendy Rogers, who has posted it in full at her website:

Cyber Ninjas Responds to Maricopa County Lies

The Cyber Ninjas response addresses the Maricopa County report. I don't know if the following is the County's report in its entirety, or just part of it, but this is what I've been able to find:

Maric opa County ANALYSIS OF SENATE REVIEW -- Ballots (Section 5)

The way the reports are written, it's almost impossible to completely understand without referring back and forth from the Cyber Ninjas preliminary report, to the County response, to the Cyber Ninjas rebuttal...

However, Liz Harrington (who conducted the voter canvass in Maricopa County, and is assisting with additional voter canvasses in other counties/states) has addressed parts on Twitter here:

Liz Harrington Twitter

And someone has created a Thread Reader App post for Liz Harrington's tweets here:

Liz Harrington Thread Reader App

I will cover more from the Thread Reader App in the next post. But I wanted to get all of the above links posted for anyone with the time and courage to read all in their entirety directly from the source links.

ETA: Actually, my head is spinning and my screen is blurring, and I'm going to have to put off my "next post" for a while. I'm just not up to it right now. And I have another appointment this afternoon, so I doubt it will be today. Maybe tomorrow -- but no promises. But the source links are posted, and anyone who wants the whole truth can read it for themselves. And if someone finds a better summary of all this anywhere, do please post it!!! I would appreciate it, and I'm sure others would as well.

a reply to: carewemust

This particular thread will do an auto shut-down when 399 pages are filled, I think.

I've been expecting the same. I think that's standard, yes?

It also seems that some would like to fill those pages up with nonsense and otherwise derailing the thread from its topic -- THE AUDIT(s).

Whatever. If this thread must come to an end, I'll just have to start a new thread.

a reply to: Boadicea

Not even going to quote your whole statement, but to say this:

So, a supplemental report from a place that no experience with elections or procedures and an Arizona state senator that seems to have surrendered to Trumpian thinking, even though had there been actual fraud she wouldn't be in office, is having a back and forth with an agency that has years of experience in dealing with elections and how to audit them impartially, and within the rules,..

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that something like a 2 year old screaming at an adult?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: vkey08

For me, it's fascinating and puzzling watching Democrats in social media, on CNN/MSNBC, in the NYTimes, Atlantic, etc, devote so much time and energy lambasting a man (Trump) who was beaten by their candidate (Biden).

Hillary Clinton complained after losing to Donald Trump in 2016, but Trump supporters didn't light up social or mainstream media over Hillary's complaints. We didn't care, because we won, and had plans to Make America Great Again.

Seeing Biden supporters complain about Trump, instead of focusing on the next 3 years of Biden Making America Great Again from the Democrat's perspective, is quite puzzling.

Well as I am not a Biden supporter, and think he should probably step down at his earliest opportunity, my focus on lambasting Trump is that he just won't shut up. Seriously, yeah Hillary whined a little but that died down fast, Trump has taken it to a whole new level of crazy.

And he in no way "made America Great"

a reply to: vkey08

Compared to where we are today, president Trump made America greater than great.

Go ask the people filling up their cars at the gas station right now, in any town in america.

Or the parents who will be forced by Biden's government to inject their children with experimental drugs this winter, or withdraw from school.

You may not want things to go back to the way they were before this year, but you are in the minority...an ever dwindling minority.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.