Covid Conspiracies Endanger Life

originally posted by: nonspecific
I am concerned that such numbers of people are manipulated and led so easily.

The things they believe are very easily shown to be false and when asked for evidence to back up their claims they show YouTube videos or give links to doctors that are not doctors or scientific evidence that has been misrepresented.

If you ask them for proof they tell you the mainstream media are hiding it and claim you are a sheeple.

It's legitimately concerning.

Whom would you have us trust ?

Mass-Media™ ?
Big-Pharma™ ?
Government™ ?
Bill-Gates™ ?
The WHO™ ?

The covid conspiracy is deadly.
A lot of suicide increases now and in the future from it.

By the way op, you don't get to come on here and try and paint YOUR reality for everyone and diss pepole with non msm opinions to try and steer the conversation and influence others.
Calling people names who disagree in your convo?
You would probably get punched irl doing that to people you talk to.
Why try that on ats?
It is highly suspicious as to your motives while on a ct website, to be honest with you.

The whole covid operation stinks to high hell.
If you can't put together the research, I don't know what to tell you.

a reply to: Mandroid7

Wait for the next victims of covid mask mandates in school and the spraying of deadly sanitizers all over the school grounds.

Plus the side effects of long term wearing of mask on the lungs.

OP good grief... "covid deniers'?
Why do some people always have a packaged name for whole swathes of people that don't buy their bull# 100%.
Get lost.

Last month the CDC made Corona 19 more deadly than ever.

www.cdc.gov...

Beware!!

originally posted by: carewemust
Last month the CDC made Corona 19 more deadly than ever.

www.cdc.gov...

Beware!!

See? This is why you can't trust the CDC. Look at this list:

Adults of any age with the following conditions are at increased risk of severe illness from the virus that causes COVID-19:
Cancer
Chronic kidney disease
COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)
Down Syndrome
Heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, or cardiomyopathies
Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from solid organ transplant
Obesity (body mass index [BMI] of 30 kg/m2 or higher but < 40 kg/m2)
Severe Obesity (BMI ≥ 40 kg/m2)
Pregnancy
Sickle cell disease
Smoking
Type 2 diabetes mellitus

Notice what's missing? Covid Deniers!

What a gyp. What's the point of believing in the virus if you're belief doesn't help to protect you? That's a total ripoff! Covid Deniers should be on the list.

You know why they aren't? Donald Trump. That's right, he forced the CDC to remove Covid Deniers off the At Risk List. You know why? Because there are tens of millions of highly influential Covid Deniers in the United States. Somehow, these people can cause ordinarily rational adults to believe Covid doesn't exist. Right now, they are just as smidge behind White Supremacists as the greatest threat to this country.

How do I know this? I have a top man in the FBI who speaks to me under the condition of anonymity even though I'm not a reporter who will blab this classified information on the national news. His code name is Topp [pause] Mann. He tells me that these Covid Deniers have a dog whistle term that they use as a code for worldwide plague. It's "Boogie", as in Boogie Fever and to further link them with white supremacist's "Boogaloo".

Just remember, these Covid Deniers are everywhere and they can influence your thinking without you realizing it. If you suspect someone of being a Covid Denier, do not attempt to apprehend them yourself. If they know you are on to them, they will remove their mask and get within five feet of you. Call the FBI.

I would like to think you can trust your own ability to make rational decisions.

I would like to think you can do some pretty basic things like examining news impartiality and cross referencing to form the most valid answers.

I'd like to think that you could accept that if you distrust the government on everything then you are as flawed as someone who trusts their government on everything.

I'd like you to understand that the MSM is not wrong by defacto.


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originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: nonspecific
I am concerned that such numbers of people are manipulated and led so easily.

The things they believe are very easily shown to be false and when asked for evidence to back up their claims they show YouTube videos or give links to doctors that are not doctors or scientific evidence that has been misrepresented.

If you ask them for proof they tell you the mainstream media are hiding it and claim you are a sheeple.

It's legitimately concerning.

Whom would you have us trust ?

Mass-Media™ ?
Big-Pharma™ ?
Government™ ?
Bill-Gates™ ?
The WHO™ ?

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: djz3ro

be afraid....be very afraid

Noted will do.

Taken way out of context, I didn't say that, it was part of a quote from an external source as stated in the OP, why are you trying to make it look like I said that?

originally posted by: carewemust
Last month the CDC made Corona 19 more deadly than ever.

www.cdc.gov...

Beware!!

Revisions are made as they gather more data on it, that's normal, what's suspicious about that?

They are learning more about it week on week.

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: djz3ro

A Covid Conspiracy you say?

Who is conspiring with who? What are they conspiring to do?

Do you have any evidence that would hold up in court to support your claims, or are you just pushing another baseless conspiracy theory?

I didn't say there's a conspiracy thats from the title of the source article but whether you believe it's a hoax or not you must agree that the big problem here is the spread of misinformation?

originally posted by: nonspecific
These people claim that there is no covid-19. They claim it's just seasonal flu and not even any worse than other years.

According to them it's just a way to impose Draconian restrictions on the population to pave the way for a one world government totality.

There's enough of them to make me genuinely concerned.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: nonspecific
Sadly I know lots of people that are convinced that it's not a real virus and it's just seasonal flu but being made out to be something different for all kinds of varied nefarious reasons, most invoking the neo and such.

Covid denial is very real here in the UK.

originally posted by: network dude
A denier. Is that like a climate denier? Do these deniers deny that the virus is a virus? Or perhaps that it's a sickness? What exactly do the deniers deny?

I don't know anyone who denies the virus is real, but most of the people I know feel that the response to the virus was severely overblown and mismanaged on the global level. Which is completely different then what your OP is about. Having never met a "denier", I'm curios to learn more about them.

I suppose a virus denier would fit in with a "climate denier", where as, anyone with any sense knows the climate changes, and the only argument would be to what extent man's ability to influence it exists, I've just never come across one.

But it would seem even if they considered it more like the flu, they acknowledge it's a real virus, just arguing about the severity. (which is different in many cases, so the entire argument there is pointless)

I feel like the only actual argument that could be had, is how well the global world had dealt with the totality of it. But maybe I'm over simplifying it.

It's actually scarier than Covid itself and more dangerous as it's this misinformation that will help it spread.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: djz3ro
a reply to: Nyiah

I'm not saying that they are handling this correctly. I'm saying there is a virus, it is killing people and folk need to stop denying that.

The virus isn't killing anyone.

What it is doing is causing pre-existing serious conditions to kill them.

Those who are reasonably healthy have no symptoms, or very mild symptoms.

Even if that's true, how many people are walking around out there with undiagnosed conditions, do we just let Covid rip through the populace to find out?

ETA- Most of the stuff I've read points to there being more to it than this but it does seem to hit hardest the old and, as you say, those with pre-existing conditions. So letting this get to herd Immunity without a vaccine program is going to kill those that would have succumbed to Covid anyway, those that would have been taken by the flu and great swathes of the elderly and sick and those with unknown underlying conditions.

This is too great a cost from where I'm standing.

a reply to: djz3ro

Fauci being wrong almost every step of the way contributed to misinformation.

The cdc allowing hospitals to say covid related death when it was obvious not the reason they died contributed to misinformation.

The media trying to paint the entire nation as the killing fields for covid when vast tracts of land were hardly touched for clicks on their web site contributed to misinformation.

Lot of blame to go around.


Forgot, blaming people for looking at all information and forming a different opinion and blaming them for people dying contributed to misinformation. (Media)

originally posted by: djz3ro
We have all seen it, especially around ATS.

I'm talking about Covid-deniers or Covidiots.

I authored a thread the other day,, pointing out that British Prime Minister, Boris Johnson (or BawJaws as I prefer to call him) has said the new strain of Covid that is prevalent in the UK is more deadly than the original. The very first comment on the thread was stating that I was the problem, (not part of the problem, I was the problem. In fact this overexaggeration only served to highlight the desperation with which the poster attacked my post), though that poster got it wrong, they are, in fact, the true problem.

This is the story of Gary Matthew.

"Hard up and completely unknown", Gary came from a liberal background, he once made a living selling "Socialist Worker", not the sort of person who is part of London's anti-scientific Right.

He could never have been a Toby Young or Julia Hartley-Brewer. The Telegraph would never have let him write columns declaring with no evidence whatsoever that the common cold could provide “natural immunity” to Covid-19. Talkradio would never have paid him to shout that the “virus isn’t causing excess deaths any more” even as the corpses piled up in mortuaries. No local Conservative association would have thought of adopting Matthews in the hope he would become the next Steve Baker. None of them would have given him the time of day.

Charlie Parker, founder of the “Shropshire Corona Resilience Network” claims that Gary Matthew cofounded the group with him, though it seems there is no trace of him in their online footprint.

One of his friends had this to say about him...

Gary Matthews fell headlong into a subterranean world haunted by vicious fantasies. But he wasn’t vicious himself. “I knew him since he was 19,” his friend Peter Roscoe told me. “He was a gentle guy. He wanted a better world. I am so sorry in recent times he became convinced that Covid was some kind of hoax.”

The article doesn't specify exactly where Gary picked up on the idea that Covid is a hoax but one thing his family are sure of.

The “hoax” killed him, his relatives said. He had a positive Covid-19 test and went home to isolate. He died, aged 46, alone in his flat in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, on 13 January.

Of course, his associate, Charlie Parker and his online clique (one assumes it is online since the only protest Parker has held was on the roof of a College, he was subsequently arrested, he was the only one there) have a different story to tell...

“The cause of death is currently listed as Covid-19,” Parker told his followers. “It is now the duty of those he has left behind to ensure that his name is not used to further this gargantuan fraud.” Parker hinted that Matthews had asthma and it might have killed him. (This is news to his family.) Others suggested he took his own life. I’ve seen screenshots of a WhatsApp conversation where a Shrewsbury conspiracist says he “could have been murdered” by shadowy figures – Bill Gates, maybe, or the head of an intensive care unit – because he was “part of the movement, one of us”.

Of course this is what you would expect. Tristan, Gary Matthews' Cousin tried, in vain to get him to obey the guidelines but Gary truly believed he had to carry on as normal.

It is worth remembering Matthews and not only because so many are dying around us without even a paragraph in their local paper to mark their passing.

And this is true. Gary is not the only case I've heard like this. I have a good friend who owns a piece of land I'm setting a workshop up on, we were discussing this 2 months ago and the night before he got a call from a childhood friend who was a Covid Denier.

His friend was calling from hospital, on video call, he looked deathly pale, the enormity of what was happening to him had just set in, after all he had just had to fill out a Do Not Resuscitate order. He had contracted Covid-19 and his organs were shutting down on him and he was finding breathing hard. He was 42.

(That was spooky, my friend who told me this story just called me for the 1st time in a week)

Whether this was accidently or deliberately released from a lab in Wuhan Provence or some mad bastid ate a raw bat Covid-19 is here and it's overwhelming Health Services around the world, hell, in London they've had to convert busses into ambulances to ease the strain on the NHS!

Last summer I was talking to a very good friend of mine who is a micro biologist, he's quite anti-establishment, not a fan of authority. He told me wear a mask, stick to the guidelines and you'll be fine. He got in touch last night to send me some photos he'd edited me into for a laugh and I asked him, "What's your opinion on Covid now dude?", he said "Man, just follow the rules an we be cool by nxt xmas. Its hard, but end in sight" I trust his take on it all.

I'll finish up with a quote from the article that I think is particularly true.
Stay safe folks and keep an eye on those around you!

On Gary Matthew's...

He deserved better than to have his life endangered by a flood of fake news – and so do millions of others.

What a disturbed narrative. Authoritarianism with applause. Hitler would take notes.

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: djz3ro

A Covid Conspiracy you say?

Who is conspiring with who? What are they conspiring to do?

Do you have any evidence that would hold up in court to support your claims, or are you just pushing another baseless conspiracy theory?

I didn't say there's a conspiracy thats from the title of the source article but whether you believe it's a hoax or not you must agree that the big problem here is the spread of misinformation?

If the msm reported facts not their opinions this wouldn’t be an issue. Instead we are given hyper propaganda and partisan politics from all “sources”. The narrative they all are selling is manufactured.

I knew when in January 2020 I was hearing interviews from major sports owners discuss no attendance games and the olympics being cancelled. PlanDemic.

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: djz3ro

A Covid Conspiracy you say?

Who is conspiring with who? What are they conspiring to do?

Do you have any evidence that would hold up in court to support your claims, or are you just pushing another baseless conspiracy theory?

I didn't say there's a conspiracy thats from the title of the source article but whether you believe it's a hoax or not you must agree that the big problem here is the spread of misinformation?

I can't help but notice that no matter the cause du joir, the biggest threat to the world always seems to be people who don't believe what they are told.

Climate Change is a danger, but even more dangerous is people who don't believe in Climate Change.

Covid is dangerous, but even more dangerous are people who don't believe what they are told about Covid.

Election tampering is a danger (2016 - 2019), but people who don't believe elections are fair and honest are a danger (2020).

Misinformation is a danger, but people who don't believe what the government and MSM tell them are more dangerous.

There is a pattern, here. Wrong thinking is more dangerous than physical reality. The government may not be able to do anything about physical reality, but they can sure as heck punish people for wrong thinking.

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: djz3ro

A Covid Conspiracy you say?

Who is conspiring with who? What are they conspiring to do?

Do you have any evidence that would hold up in court to support your claims, or are you just pushing another baseless conspiracy theory?

I didn't say there's a conspiracy thats from the title of the source article but whether you believe it's a hoax or not you must agree that the big problem here is the spread of misinformation?

I can't help but notice that no matter the cause du joir, the biggest threat to the world always seems to be people who don't believe what they are told.

Climate Change is a danger, but even more dangerous is people who don't believe in Climate Change.

Covid is dangerous, but even more dangerous are people who don't believe what they are told about Covid.

Election tampering is a danger (2016 - 2019), but people who don't believe elections are fair and honest are a danger (2020).

Misinformation is a danger, but people who don't believe what the government and MSM tell them are more dangerous.

There is a pattern, here. Wrong thinking is more dangerous than physical reality. The government may not be able to do anything about physical reality, but they can sure as heck punish people for wrong thinking.

People who think this way are the most dangerous of all. These are the only people looking to assert their will over others.

a reply to: nonspecific

You're free to believe anything, or anybody you like.

Seems to me like we're talking about a picture of meat and potatoes, instead of talking about meat and potatoes.

So : an exercise if you will, for you, the OP, anyone else interested, Citizen A, Citizen B, and whomever.

Let's say you, or a loved-one is called-in for a Covid-19 vax for Wednesday morning 11AM Eastern time ( in 48 hours.)
The exercise is to take us through all of the information gathering process you would do, and then give us a yes or no decision, based on your now supposedly informed consent.

Tell us what dastardly dangerous misinformation you came across and discarded, and what you deemed trustworthy.

a reply to: carewemust
To that list I would ask just how many people on that at risk list have died WITHOUT the virus but because the hospitals have gone over the top with the few intensive care beds and stopped virtually all other treatments because they don't want people entering the hospital.
I have a degenerating eye disease and before this "virus" I was checked every 4 months. Now I have not been seen for nearly a year and half and me calling and being informed "no-one in for the foreseeable future.
I could go blind waiting. I had a close friend who died with cancer. Could he have had a longer life with chemo? Because the virus he had a couple of sessions, the none for 3 months. Then he was to far gone to do anything.
My daughters father-in-law is suffering no with spinal cancer, can't get any mri or other investigative procedures because, well covid.

a reply to: crayzeed

My mother is in that group, she had and ultrasound and a tumor was found in her liver, but because of shortage of doctors do to covid priority she is been waiting for a specialist since last year and still do not have an appointment to see one.

Yeah, hospitals full with covid patients means money from the government, people with conditions no related to covid means no income. Then people still do not see why hospitals are kept full.

And the flu season seems to magically disappear this year too, wow.