New EO regarding gender identity jeopardizes female sports

originally posted by: Bunch

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: Bunch

Nope. You're right. We don't. I bet you don't have a daughter that has worked her ass off all through school winning medal after medal and suddenly in her junior or senior year, she's faced with competing against a guy that identifies as a female and has skills to match.

With all due respect...I'm pretty sure that if my daughter was ever in that situation she would take it very differently than maybe yours...given our arguments we have probably raised families very differently.

How do you suppose she would take the situation? Which way did you raise her to take it?

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: queenofswords

But, a closer evaluation closes the door on any discussion regarding transgender male-to-female participation in girl's competitive sports.

knock her out Johnette

Fallon Fox was a UFC fighter, born and raised a man, went through puberty as a male, then converted, got into mma, causing some devastating injuries to at least one opponent.

I'm a live and let live guy..but I have to draw the line here!

originally posted by: operation mindcrime

originally posted by: slatesteam

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: slatesteam
a reply to: infolurker

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Peace

So which is it?

Peace

Well if you really want to get into the nitty-gritty of my reply..

Yes, I think "men" competing in some women's sport is bs, they have an advantage that makes it unfair.

But.....it's school sports. I know you Americans take your sports real serious and all...even to the point where you can use your educational institute to advance your athletic ambitions or use your physical abilities to advance your education.

But I will never understand how somebody can get a scholarship because they can throw or catch a ball better than somebody else. Sport, although important for education, is not a primary objective of education.

Peace

What sports can do especially at a younger age give a kid confidence, discipline, and in a team sport social skills all important aspects to surviving in society in general. That is just to start with.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: FinallyAwake

Biden probably doesn't even think about that aspect, or, if he does, it's not in a good way. "C'mon, man...it's just kids."

For Biden, that's a plus ... so much sniffing and leg hair petting.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: Bunch

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: Bunch

Nope. You're right. We don't. I bet you don't have a daughter that has worked her ass off all through school winning medal after medal and suddenly in her junior or senior year, she's faced with competing against a guy that identifies as a female and has skills to match.

With all due respect...I'm pretty sure that if my daughter was ever in that situation she would take it very differently than maybe yours...given our arguments we have probably raised families very differently.

How do you suppose she would take the situation? Which way did you raise her to take it?

Probably be the one behind the scenes amping her with testosterone like the East German competitors used to do.

originally posted by: putnam6

What sports can do especially at a younger age give a kid confidence, discipline, and in a team sport social skills all important aspects to surviving in society in general. That is just to start with.

Don't get me wrong, like I said, sport is an important part of education but it shouldn't be the main purpose of an education.

My objection was with scholarships based on athletic achievement. Their is something very wrong with this concept.

Somebody is paying for your education, not because they want you to develop confidence or discipline but because you are an investment.

Sport is healthy, top sport is not...for most.

Some succeed but most do not, they break and at 25 are left by the side of the road with nothing to fall back on.

Peace

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: queenofswords

Wait....why is it only males who identify as females?

Last time I checked soccer is nr.5 popular school sport in the US and US women soccer are a hell of lot better/tougher than the men.

Peace

Why'd they lose against the male school boy team?

Are you really this delusional?

Edit to add: Was a under 15 boys team lol. Wow just wow at your statement about being stronger and better than the male team. So delusional it isn't even funny. Go see a doctor.

On the one hand Biden is being praised by putting the science back into the Covid crisis, and on the other they are just ignoring the science to pander for the (very small) trans community, their celebrity backers and bullying lobby groups and interests.

Irrespective of your view on trans rights, there are real issues in sport and real issues with the impact on (real) women’s rights.

I know rugby may not be a big sport in the USA, but World Rugby puts player safety first and has introduced tough new rules on trans. This impacts trans women playing in the women's game, precisely because of the dangers to women players by (essentially) having a person with the bone and muscles of a man participating.

What happens when US law comes up against the sporting regulations of the sport in question? What happens when women stop playing the sport (any sport) because it has become unfair and dangerous?

It's a man's world, eh?

Source World Rugby

a reply to: Analbumcover

I think my initial post in this thread went over most people's head...

Of course the main objection is that men have a physical advantage over woman.

I just wanted to point out that women aren't some fragile creature that always get the short end of the stick.

Most women have much higher tolerance for pain and are way more disciplined than men.

By the way, most "men" who indentify as women don't identify as women (how could one identify as "woman", there isn't one unique feature that could make one feel that way) they feel feminine.

An interpretation of certain stereotypical aspects that they identify with. Mostly those stereotypes don't include dominating in a certain sport.

My best quess would be that the "men" who identify as woman and competing in a certain sport aren't focussed on feeling feminine but focussed on wanting to win and found a loophole to achieve this feeling of succes after falling short with their own gender.

Peace

originally posted by: Bunch

If I was concerned about my daughter getting injured while practicing sports she wouldn’t play any and I’ll just had her at home plugged to an iPad like many parents do.

You would keep her at home plugged into an ipad when she was an adult professional athlete if you were worried a shemale might crush her skull? Weird family.

ETA Injuries are inevitable in most sports.. even wothout making bio females compete against bio males.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Bunch

There was a recently a study done where it was concluded that men taking hormone treatment to transition still retained their biological advantages in muscle and bone even after having their testosterone levels reduced to the levels the Olympic committee required for the requisite year meaning they were still innately superior physically to the females in the same sports.

So, yeah, this erases women's sports if you are unlucky enough to be in an area where a boy suddenly decides to transition and compete against you.

As a woman who is getting back into the competitive venue again, this bothers me because I could run up against it.

I wouldnt worry to much its not the muscle bound jocks that would transition. As for unfair competition id say not really it was unlikely a woman would get a scholarship anyway. Colleges just dont put a priority on womens sports no money in it. So arguing they wont get a scholarship because some guy is participating wont work. Because in the sports colleges do care about they wont want a guy anyway. Behind the scenes attitudes wont change they just get hidden.

originally posted by: operation mindcrime


My objection was with scholarships based on athletic achievement. Their is something very wrong with this concept.

Somebody is paying for your education, not because they want you to develop confidence or discipline but because you are an investment.

Sport is healthy, top sport is not...for most.

Some succeed but most do not, they break and at 25 are left by the side of the road with nothing to fall back on.

Complete nonsense. If you excel in a sport (or art or music) it demonstrates you already have attributes like discipline, teamwork, creativity, willingness to work your azz off etc. and these attributes carry over to academics and professional life.

a reply to: Ringsofsaturn777

Of the 53 college players tested, a staggering 48 had CTE, a rare disease that is a risk factor for memory loss and dementia. The study attributes this trend to the repeated blows on the head caused by the rough sport, which leaves players particularly vulnerable to concussion and brain trauma. The ratio was higher in the National Football League, where a staggering 110 of the 111 NFL players tested were found to have CTE

That's a cool attribute to build a career on...

Peace

And some painters get brain damage from toxic paint so lets pretend becoming a brillant artist doesnt require or develop any positive attributes.. did the good athletes in school hurt your feelings or something?

Educate yourself..

www.washingtonpost.com...

a reply to: Ringsofsaturn777

That is a pretty ignorant comparison don't you think?

The only painters who get braindamage from toxic paint are painters who weren't properly educated on how to use their tools..see where this is going?

Peace

originally posted by: operation mindcrime

That is a pretty ignorant comparison don't you think?

The only painters who get braindamage from toxic paint are painters who weren't properly educated on how to use their tools..see where this is going?

Peace

It isnt a "comparison" its a way of showing how silly your "logic" is. Claiming some people get injured playing sports etc. does not refute anything i said about the other attributes required and developed in the course of becoming an accomplished athlete.

Your stats about CTE are nonsense.. there isnt even any agreed upon/reliable method of diagnosing it.

a reply to: Ringsofsaturn777

No, my point was that topsport is in no way healty. Not physically or mentally.

Allowing commercial institutions to invest in your education should worry you more than it obviously does.

I already agreed that sport is a very valuable part of a persons education. Developing discipline, teamworking, leading, confidence are all very important but anybody investing in your education will want to see a return on their investment.

And when this investment is based a physical ability they are going to expect that you push your body to the limit, which usually results in permanent injury or premature death.

Peace

a reply to: queenofswords

I say go ahead with this. Double down even.

I want to see the Liberal snowflakes and the radical feminists Duke it out.

Let's see who is more of a man, Biden with his inclusive non binary pronouns or an angry feminist with a prison shank.

If this gets the left to turn on its own, I'm all for it

If people are looking for an analogy for trans women in women's sport, here's one.

Letting an 18 year old participate against 12 years olds, and then saying the 12 year olds are just bad losers if they complain, or that they should just stay at home, is just the wrong way to think about it. Why can't the 12 years olds play with their peers?

- The physiology of an 18 year old is completely different to a 12 year old.
- The physiology of a trans woman (ex man) and a woman is completely different.

Women's sport is being ruined.

originally posted by: operation mindcrime

No, my point was that topsport is in no way healty. Not physically or mentally.

I dont know what you mean by topsport or what evidence you are looking at.. do you have any studies showing that participation in athletics is on balance physically and mentally unhealthy? Because there are stacks of studies showing just the opposite.

originally posted by: [post=25726143]operation mindcrime[/post
Allowing commercial institutions to invest in your education should worry you more than it obviously does.

What do you mean by invest in your education? Scholarships? Why should it bother me at all? It doesnt.

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
I already agreed that sport is a very valuable part of a persons education. Developing discipline, teamworking, leading, confidence are all very important but anybody investing in your education will want to see a return on their investment.

And when this investment is based a physical ability they are going to expect that you push your body to the limit, which usually results in permanent injury or premature death.

Peace

Most elite athletes push themselves to the limit because that is just how they are wired. No one is obligated to play collegiate sports if they fear permenant injury and premature death will be the likely result.. (most arent drama queens like yourself) there plenty of other ways to finance school.

How about when an employer pays someone to do a physical task.. are you concerned theyll inevitably be pushed to permenantly injure themselves or to an early grave because the "investor" wants to maximize their return?

Hell, sitting at a desk all day is proven to cause premature death.