Seattle pretty much destroyed.. Is this the future of America?

a reply to: darkbake

I can't speak for McConnel blocking Chi-com aid, but as for the rest of your post you might be surprised to learn we largely agree. Though, I don't think it's ONLY McConnel doing it, he just happens to be right leaning. What about Bill Gates and so many others???? They are more than equal co-conspirators! Al Gore too.

Not deflecting here, just illustrating the traits you mention are not isolated to one political party or ideology.

Framing your argument as right or left is a mistake. It's a valid argument, but let's look at it in full spectrum.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

You have both presented what is called a strawman argument.

You have the constitutional right to put whatever you want into your body, whether it's drugs, halal or penis.

I'd say the burden of proof is on you to prove me wrong. Show me the law that says we don't have these freedoms.

If you're against the social programs intended to be a safety net for Americans than show some consistency and forfeit your next stimulus check.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

On one hand you have accountability problems, on the other you have rising astronomical living costs.

Rent and real estate prices are ridiculous and people are not making any more money than they used to. Even food prices going up and the value of the dollar going down. On top of that almost the totality of manufacturing anything has gone offshore. Now even office jobs, customer service jobs, everything is offshore.

You can get a #ty job somewhere but its not possible to live on. You can get 2 jobs and work 20 hours a day to make a living but who can do that? Fu*% it.. go homeless and do drugs.

If you come from a responsible family who was smart enough to encourage you to pursue something and support you through school and you land a decent job thats great, but if you come from the vast number of families who are barely getting by, and neglect their kids at home with no proper guidance.. this is what you gonna get.

If you don't like my opinion, don't star me for this, I don't care. Its just my two cents.

Many homeless are victims of circumstance. Many looked for work for a considerable amount of time and couldn't get hired regardless of skills.

Many are educated. Drug use and alcoholism is prevalent with the homeless because it is the only way they can cope with having to live in a tent on the side of the road. Having to deal with getting the necessities for sustainability, food, sanitary needs, clean clothes, etc.

How can republicans assess that it is the homeless person's own fault because they are drug addicts and lazy? Is solving the problem by having more policing and building more prisons the solution? It may be for corporatists seeking sources of free labor through corporatized prisons.

What happens when the majority of the population eventually become prisoners of the state? It evolves into a rich elite utopia, a small middle working class and a very large class of poor that work for three meals per/day and a bed to sleep in.

The credence of, "You reap what you sow", is true only if there is the opportunity to sow so there is something to reap. It is evident that the credence of republican politicians and probably many republicans at large is to reap what you can steal or get away with through authoritarian principles.

I have to agree there are many people that are lazy and exploit the government programs put into place to help the needy. There are stories of women in poor communities gathering up all the children in the area then going to the food stamp office to maximize their take or inculcating future generation on ways to exploit the system.

originally posted by: Psilocyborg
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk



You have the constitutional right to put whatever you want into your body, whether it's drugs, halal or penis.

I'd say the burden of proof is on you to prove me wrong. Show me the law that says we don't have these freedoms.

If you're against the social programs intended to be a safety net for Americans than show some consistency and forfeit your next stimulus check.

Your rights end where mine begin. You can do what you want to exercise your freedoms until the results of you exercising your freedoms infringes upon mine. Prove me wrong.

a reply to: mtnshredder

aaahhhhh, allowing others their own path as long as they are not interfering with others or free will.

Beautiful

We have been sheltering these people for way too long ... growing weaker by the day

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
Reading through this thread and the other one you started paints the picture better of what you are asking on that thread.

I tend to agree with what you are saying here.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

We're the richest country in the world whose mega-corporations and billionaires get away with paying little taxes. Yet you're suggesting we make it even harder for those with nothing. Not all homeless are drug addicts.

Some will choose to take advantage of the system but some also will benifit from the help and get back on their feet.

It's sad that you're advocating to punish the poorest and meanwhile say nothing about the corporate elite who avoid taxes and ship jobs overseas.

I don't see the mega-corporations and billionaires crapping on the street, threatening and raping people in ally-ways, or breaking into your house just to get what ever item they can hock. When you start giving unchecked help to people in need, then people who just want free stuff will show up and take advantage of the situation. Seattle has learned how to create a symbiotic partnership with many of these people. The city council gives these people tiny homes to live in, free food, and safe places to shoot up drugs and in return they get to use the "homeless" as pawns for their political and socialist agendas.

What people like you really don't get is that there are two types of homeless. There are people who are homeless and want to get out of that situation (aka Homeless), and there are people who take free services and refuse to do anything but take free services (aka Homefree). The homeless people aren't much of an issue for the general public and that if asked the general public will reach out and help. The Homefree people will break into your home, steal stuff from your car, and in general use up services and exploit those services that are set aside for the Homeless.

Seattle made it city policy to allow home less people have a basic get out of jail free card. Here read about it: My Northwest
Ballard is a community in Seattle.

Identifying herself as Lindsey, the woman walked viewers through the harrowing story of how she was violently raped in the dealership’s bathroom last May. The assailant — 24-year-old Christopher Teel — was a homeless man living in Ballard’s Nickelsville encampment.

“My assailant had been categorized as a homeless man — he was from Texas, and I found he had a warrant out for his arrest going back to 2016, which was very troubling to me,” she said. “He was using public services to survive, so I think we need to all acknowledge what we’re doing isn’t working — what we’re doing right now is actually harming the city.”

The revelation that Teel had an active warrant out had both Lindsey and the community asking why the suspect was allowed at a city homeless camp, and what the city could have done to prevent the rape.

But city-sanctioned camps are not required to do criminal background checks, so staff there did not know Teel had an active warrant.

Situations like this above are a lot of reasons these cities are falling apart. Then you have this kind of mentality going on as well:
From: My Northwest

Viktor White, former King County Sheriff’s Sergeant, has left the department and the Seattle area due to what he says is the general lawlessness and the lack of support from local elected officials.

“The most difficult part of leaving was the people that I worked with,” White told KIRO Radio’s Dori Monson Show. “There’s some amazing, amazing people within the King County Sheriff’s Office. Those men and women work so hard. And any sheriff’s office in the land, in the United States of America, we have less money for training and equipment, and resources, and all that.”

“The reason that just drove us over the edge is that we saw the lawlessness just continue to spread wildly,” White said. “And I refuse to raise my children in that kind of environment. … I will not curtail to any politician that says it’s OK to commit these crimes, and the revolving doors of people going to jail and being let right back out. It’s unacceptable and the way it’s going so rapidly, I refuse to have my family in that environment.”

He continues:

“We all want to live the American dream — freedom in our homes, freedom to walk the sidewalks without being assaulted or robbed or whatever,” White said. “And when crimes do happen to people, they must be held accountable. But what I’m seeing is there is no accountability, and I’m sorry, but the leaders, the leaders that are elected on all spectrums, they need to tow the line to protect the citizens that they swore to defend.”

“And I’m not just talking about law enforcement here. I’m talking about all the elected officials, mayors, council members, and all,” he added. “They all swore an oath to protect the people they serve. And you know what? All that has gone out the window, and it’s very sad, but it is true.”

King County is the County where Seattle resides. I would post the crap from Seattle but it would just end up looking like an index given how much messed up things are in that city.

The people that you want to protect, the ones that you call "poorest" are really a group of different types of people. Some of these people want and need help to better themselves. The other group is made up of opportunists and exploiters that will stab you in the back all because the city won't lift a finger to help the people of the city. Until people like you understand that nothing can be done.

here's a thought: "if you are standing in a group of people that are actively shooting at a bunch of kids, and you do nothing to stop it, should you really be called innocent when the police arrest you with the shooters?"

You may think that that's a bit extreme, but that is literally what is taking place in some of these cities. Murder is taking place, and you are told to not interfere because if you do the city will stop providing services to you. Complain about it, and end up in a suitcase (AS SEEN HERE).

a reply to: Guyfriday

What people like you really don't get is that there are two types of homeless. There are people who are homeless and want to get out of that situation (aka Homeless), and there are people who take free services and refuse to do anything but take free services (aka Homefree). The homeless people aren't much of an issue for the general public and that if asked the general public will reach out and help. The Homefree people will break into your home, steal stuff from your car, and in general use up services and exploit those services that are set aside for the Homeless.

This is really a GREAT explanation!! Excellent!!!

Very, very, well said!



ETA - The people who really try the hardest to blur this distinction are the people in the 'homefree' category, not the 'homeless' category. They don't want people to understand the difference. I would venture that upwards of 80% (if not more) of Seattle's problem is caused by the 'homefree' peoples, not the truly 'homeless'.

a reply to: Psilocyborg

First of all, I don't get a stimulus check! So you can have it; now get off your holier than thou' soapbox.

Secondly, no, what I have presented is the notion that you can do whatever you want until it starts to interfere with my rights as a citizen. As a citizen, my tax dollars go to building city parks and infrastructure. Therefore, it is my right to use those facilities unhindered. If your filthy tent is blocking the street, or I step on your dirty syringe or your nasty condom in the park, then my rights are being infringed upon.

I could care less what people want to do inside their own homes, on their own time. If you want to put that stuff in your body, you go right on ahead with your bad self. Makes not one single iota of difference to me. However, when you force that behavior on others by acting immature and depraved like that in a public, taxpayer paid for, place then we're going to have a problem.

Lastly, you seem to be part of the problem, not part of the solution. You are intentionally trying to blur the lines between programs designed to help those who are truly handicapped and those who intentionally handicap themselves and then abuse these same programs. In other words, you are being an obstructionist to correcting the problems in places like downtown Seattle and so many other cities across this country.

The problem with Seattle is not drugs. It is not homelessness. It is not lack of responsibility.

The problem with Seattle is capitalism.

I eyewitnessed this before; It is called "Detroit-ifacation". The only solution is to move, and take your money with you.

a reply to: nOraKat

Is this the future of America?

Well, it is the present of liberal America. And since we cannot stop the spread of this lunacy, I would say yes - this is the future of America.

In years gone by I always felt that once liberals saw the destruction in their own cities wrought by their precious liberal policies they would see the light and change their way of thinking. Instead, they saw the light, accused it of having too large a carbon footprint and extinguished it without a second thought, or a first for that matter.

When you insist upon change for the sake of change, progress for the sake of progress, you must concede that even if you do happen to find yourself in some form of utopia it will be short lived. More change is coming...and that is the great failure of liberal progressivism.

originally posted by: Meshakhad
The problem with Seattle is not drugs. It is not homelessness. It is not lack of responsibility.

The problem with Seattle is capitalism.

Don't worry. That will be gone from Seattle soon enough and things will continue to get worse there. What will you blame then?

This video addresses the issues with homelesses and the major west coast cities. It's a multi-faceted problem, but nothing will change until all the issues are untangled so that real progress can be made. Until then, they'll keep doing the same things and expecting it to magically work someday.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Don't worry. Seattle will be federally bailed out just like NYC and California...after Dems get those two Senate seats in GA.

sorry pal....every year California supplies way more federal tax money to the nation than most of the red states...red states have been the welfare queens of America...look it up

Our little small town of 20k people has tried to help and pretty much focusing efforts on relocating to wherever they would like to go. Put them on a bus and give them a few hundred on a card every month. Doesn't really work well but. It's better than having them robbing and stealing here. Atlanta seems to be popular and Seattle for the druggies. They get a chancr to go wherever will make them happy.

You can see Seattle in real time.

Seattle Skyline Cam

Take a look and see what's going on right now.

OP is promoting fake news.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
You can see Seattle in real time.

Seattle Skyline Cam

Take a look and see what's going on right now.

OP is promoting fake news.

Huh? A view of the space needle is supposed to negate the rampant homeless on the streets and neighborhoods around Seattle?

I went to Seattle about 7 or 8 years ago for a vacation and I couldn't believe how bad the homeless population was then! I can't imagine how bad it is now. Having lived / worked in big cities most of my life, seeing bums is nothing new to me. However, Seattle was on a totally different level.

IIRC you are in Atlanta. Take all the homeless hanging out on Ponce or around 10th / Peachtree or Underground. Let them camp out in Piedmont Park or imagine if tent cities were set up in Virginia Highlands. That is how Seattle felt to me.

Portland was the same way. So was San Francisco.

It is a beautiful city with good food and culture, but the rampant far left liberalism in the city government is driving the city in the ground.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
You can see Seattle in real time.

Seattle Skyline Cam

Take a look and see what's going on right now.

OP is promoting fake news.

I can see Russia from my house.👍