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originally posted by: onthedownlow
originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: cooperton
For things to have happened as described in Genesis, that amount of fresh water wpuld have also filled the oceans and killed all sea life and wpuld have made the land inarable for generations. Nothing wpuld have survived on land, sea or fresh water. And then there's the whole incest thing if Noah amd his small family were the only lovong humans. Its a scientific impossibility for a world wide flood as described in Genesis.
Genesis is written by a man. The OP postulates that oceans are 100 miles deep on Europa, is it not fair to assume that the man who wrote of the Great flood might have postulated as well when he said the whole of the Earth was flooded?
Nah. We have proven beyond all doubt that we live in a universe dominated by causation. No magical God waving his hand.
Just to be clear you aren't saying that the universe dominated by
causation proves God does not exist?
However, the advent of quantum mechanics removed the underpinning from that approach, with the claim that (at least according to the Copenhagen interpretation) the most basic constituents of matter at times behave indeterministically. This comes from the collapse of the wave function, in which the state of a system upon measurement cannot in general be predicted. Quantum mechanics only predicts the probabilities of possible outcomes, which are given by the Born rule. Non-deterministic behavior in wave function collapse is not only a feature of the Copenhagen interpretation, with its observer-dependence, but also of objective collapse and other theories.
In physics, hidden-variable theories are proposals to provide deterministic explanations of quantum mechanical phenomena, through the introduction of unobservable hypothetical entities.
I'm sorry but I can't help noticing the infinite amount of miracles that had
to occur for us to be here and experience life. From the harmony and rhythms
and the timing of the cosmos allowing it all.There are continuous demonstrations
of precision from the atom to the universe that bare no explanation for them
occurring as they did. And if just one had failed we wouldn't be here. From DNA
to the human body and the brain that houses the soul of all men. From a spec of
sand on a beach to the stars. It's so less likely that there is no Creator and no
reason to any of this. Than it is there is a supreme being.
We are lucky, I will say that. We are lucky to not be in a star cluster, a binary system, at the center of the galaxy, and have large gas giants playing gravitational inner solar system protector, but can't conclude that is an anomaly.
edit on 6-8-2020 by Degradation33 because: (no reason given)
I am saying God is irrelevant. This is a closed system.
Even God cannot intercede here.
1Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
17 I love those who love me,
and those who seek me find me.
22“The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
GIBBS, TAM
The tao that can be talked about is not the Absolute Tao.
If it can be named, it is not an Absolute name.
That which has no name is the origin of heaven and earth;
That which has a name is the Mother of all things.
Thus, if always without desire, one can observe indescribable marvels;
If always desirous, one sees merest traces.
These two come from the same source but are differently named.
Both are called Mysterious.
The mystery of the Mysterious is the gateway to all indescribable marvels.
originally posted by: Akragon
fact is the flood didn't happen... fullstop
originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
I am saying God is irrelevant. This is a closed system.
Even God cannot intercede here.
Okay
I would agree that in general the creator is never captive to the creation.
If that makes any sense to you. Anything you create you of course have ultimate
power over it. You decide everything about it.
That control would have had to be expressed through the initial design
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: Akragon
fact is the flood didn't happen... fullstop
Polystrate fossils are tree trunks that are deposited into rock layers vertically. This indicates there was a rapid deposition process, rather than the gradual one that is popularly taught. Hydrologic sorting can account for the strata of fossilized remains that have different densities. The fact that these layers are less than 100,000 years old is confirmed by carbon dating. C-14 has been found in everything from petrified wood, coal tar, graphite and even natural gas - indicating these have formed in a much more recent past than we were told by the school system:
Carbon-14 found in "old" rock layers
Don't be biased against Hebrew history, they were matter-of-factly describing what they went through.
originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: TzarChasm
That's "the" assumption
The "conclusion"
It's a lie, it's a myth, folklore, legacy, something of our ancestors to be forgotten.
For what its worth, i am completely agnostic. I approach it from a point of science and true curiosity. If God exists, and we can prove something about that, i would be eager to explore it.
Im not averse to God at all. I've just seen no sign of anythign that would support its existence.