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Statues are sacred.

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posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 03:34 AM
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a reply to: charlyv
Fair enough, so you're a statue absolutist.

At least you're consistent.

I think you're probably right.
I just get weak when it comes to the extremes of the argument.

Is this simply a free speech and preserving history argument?

If the whole "racist statue" issue was more than appeasing white guilt it might mean something.

But the dangers of ignoring the past are far more dangerous than offending some rich white kids.
edit on 29-6-2020 by Krahzeef_Ukhar because: Editing is fun



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 04:01 AM
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originally posted by: ZeussusZ

originally posted by: continuousThunder
ah yes, statues are sacred and important and we wouldn't know history without them, that's why nobody remembers what happened in Germany in the 40's


We know what the winners wrote about it


dude are you
are you defending the nazis?

maaan only on ats hey, i'm gonna miss this gaping black maw



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 04:30 AM
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Was thinking .......maybe they could leave the statues and add new ones right nest to it depicting the awful atrocities the original person did. For instance I saw recently (cant remember where)this amazingly well done statue of some African slaves in chains *I think*, anyway it was an incredible life like statue if an extremely sad time.

Then people might learn from the past.
Just a thought. ......maybe



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 04:35 AM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Would you like to see saddam husseins statue still up?
There's definitely a point where its silly, but there's also a point when it's justified.



Did pulling it down alter his evil legacy?

He put his statue up as a self aggrandising gesture while he was still alive.


Most statues are put up after death as a celebration gesture of what that

person did during their lifetime.



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 04:50 AM
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a reply to: charlyv




Statues are part of history and are sacred


Depends on who or what the statue represents.

Pedophile Jimmy Saville had his statue demolished. Nothing sacred about him or his bloody statue.



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 05:35 AM
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a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

they should be they are a symbol of your country it should be a law that you don't destroy that symbol imyop



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 05:37 AM
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a reply to: alldaylong

thats true but if anybody tried that with the union flag near me i would punch him in the friggin head
jimmy savile was a sick piece of #
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posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 07:30 AM
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a reply to: charlyv




See, this is ancient, but the precursor of things to come if it is continued. No one has the right to remove any history from this world, irregardless, for ANY reason.


You should be scared.

Fear should be your over all motivation. It should guide you and your families major decisions. Let the fear wash over your body and soul. Feel it course through your veins like the cold steel of a Dr's stethoscope pressed against your skin.

For if Biden wins, they are COMING for you. You and your family. Even the dog, or other small furry mammals.

After they are done destroying history, they may destroy TIME ITSELF!!!



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: continuousThunder

Star for you, just for common sense.

Refreshing around these parts.



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 08:18 AM
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originally posted by: eletheia
Did pulling it down alter his evil legacy?


Absolutely!

It's the photo op we all remember.

It had a clear effect on his legacy, I remember it clearly how ever many years after the fact.

I'm not sure anyone can dictate the value of a statue.

There's so many beautiful and profound works of art, I'm an idiot who only appreciates statues outside of corporately named arenas.

edit on 29-6-2020 by Krahzeef_Ukhar because: Editing is fun



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: charlyv

People's headstones will be destroyed next.
Desecration of graves of our dearly departed are now fair game.
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posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 09:40 AM
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Statues are art, someone created them. smashing them and Tearing them down is an atrocity of society. The people tearing them down neither created them or paid for them, their ancestors paid for them and they do not have the right to tear them down. Now if a lot of older people, in their seventies or above, wanted to tear them down, I would say go for it, they paid for them. But I bet not many of those who paid lots of taxes in those days wants to see the statues destroyed, they are part of our heritage.



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
Statues are art, someone created them. smashing them and Tearing them down is an atrocity of society. The people tearing them down neither created them or paid for them, their ancestors paid for them and they do not have the right to tear them down. Now if a lot of older people, in their seventies or above, wanted to tear them down, I would say go for it, they paid for them. But I bet not many of those who paid lots of taxes in those days wants to see the statues destroyed, they are part of our heritage.


Where do you draw the line?

The problem is that public statues are government property so there is an element which doesn't exist in your backyard.

If you tear down my personal backyard statue to Hitler I have every right to be upset.

Perhaps if the government truly represents the people then government property is at the peoples mercy.



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 10:13 AM
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A symbol of racism is not sacred. Tearing it down does not erase history.



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 11:11 AM
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Then why do it. This "offence" is in the minds of the beholders, which virtually non of them have had to endure being enslaved. It is HISTORY, it will always be there, if they care about it they would remember it every day not when only looking at an "offending" statue.
What do they really, really want, cos they certainly are NOT going about it the right way to change the law.
Now ,if they really want to do something about slavery, go demonstrate in front of the UN. Break their windows, trash their building. Because the UN is protecting the most racial, slave owning countries in the world. The Arabic countries have been importing slaves for centuries and still do to this day. Not the US and European countries that did it for a couple of hundred years.
ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO STOP MODERN DAY SLAVERY AND FREE THE SLAVES NOW.
But I wont hold my breath.



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 11:41 AM
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Put the statues in an open air museum or something of that nature. I agree that statues need to be up and in your face telling what the person did. Because we as Americans are dumb and have the attention span of a fruit fly.

But the statues are not sacred. They are just a rock or metal likeness. That's it.



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 12:29 PM
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Statues are part of history and are sacred.


Define sacred please
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posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Since we destroyed all statues about Nazi-Germany and Adolf Hitler, we know nearly nothing about those times,too.

Shouldn't have done that. Should really not have done that. We know next to nothing now.

/s


Doesn't Germany have two classes of statue? (paraphrased) 1 - here is a good guy we commemorate with this statue and 2 - here is a bad guy so we don't forget? Perhaps former East Germany and former West Germany do these things differently?



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

It had a clear effect on his legacy, I remember it clearly how ever many years after the fact.



Had his statue been left with a new plaque with the true information on it

he would have been noted for being the *butcher of Baghdad and for all

the actrocities he had committed.......a token reminder to anyone else who

might chance their arm in following in his footsteps.


NOW.....within two to three generations he will be forgotten and history will

repeat itself with another dictator




I'm not sure anyone can dictate the value of a statue.



The value is in that it will be a reminder, for as long as it is seen and a deterrent

to anyone who would want to be another *butcher of Baghdad*

People in general have short memories........



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

Depends on who or what the statue represents.
Pedophile Jimmy Saville had his statue demolished. Nothing sacred about him or his bloody statue.



True....but if the plaque was replaced informing of his crimes it would be

a constant reminder of his vileness. You know, I know, many others know

of him, but how many of the high school generation know about him?

AND NOW we have......


Paedophiles rebrand themselves as MAPs - minor attracted persons

Britain's most notorious sex offenders are using main stream websites such
as youtube, twitter and instagram to rebrand paedophilia as a harmless sexual
preference. Disturbing accounts are being set up every day which refer to
both potential and prolific abusers as MAP's to escape the stigma attached to
the word paedophile.
The anonymous users have even created their own rainbow'MAP pride flag -
with some arguing that they should be celebrated as a niche group alongside
the LGBT community, in an attempt to cast paedophilia as part of societies
wider move towards sexual liberation.
Kathrine Denkinson Mail on Sunday 29/06/2020


And he's only been dead eleven years........




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