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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Boadicea
I wonder how other countries do their policing...
originally posted by: butcherguy
When the preppers talk about being armed, the lefties said, 'oh you can't fight the police and military... so you are a joke to even spout off about 2nd Amendment stuff.'
originally posted by: smurfy
I think this paragraph sums it up,
'Police violence in America is extraordinary in its intensity. It is disproportionate to the actual threats facing police officers, and it has risen significantly in recent years without apparent justification.'
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Police killing is not the work of vigilant warriors defending society at great personal cost, and sometimes going too far. It is the day-in, day-out petty tyranny of a taxpayer-funded bureaucratic lobby group. The difference is that, unlike other public sector unions, police unions have military-grade equipment they can use to violently crush protests against their abuses, and they are legally immune from most consequences. They’re teachers’ unions, but with tanks and endless get-out-of-jail-free cards.
Source
Just came across this study done by Public Discourse (a conservative thinktank) and thought it was pretty interesting. It pretty much supports what a lot of the protesters are saying.
Over the past few decades police in this country have become more violent and it has nothing to do with an increase in violent crime. Furthermore, there does appear to be a racial bias in policing against black people.
The study concludes by stating that the only way to rein in police violence is to take away their safety net. Break up the police unions and get rid of things like qualified immunity. It also goes on to say that we need to stop giving police officers military ordinance. If we're going to equip these people le soldiers they're going to act like soldiers.
I know the data and conclusions of this study probably won't be popular on ATS but at least it comes from a source that might be more readily accepted and their methodology is laid out.
originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: Xcalibur254
Exactly. The only way to teach a kid to do the right thing is to have real punishment with actual consequences.
Otherwise, how can you blame them for being bad?
Getting rid of the union safety net and the cronyism and showing them the same jail cell as anyone else would find, would be a good start.
And that is not an accident. These records are not kept in order to avoid incriminating the guilty and informing the public of what our police are really doing. And in the process, every police officer becomes suspect. So, in effect, good police are also tarred with the same broad brush as the bad police.
All of my buttons got pushed. Sorry for the Rant Reply.
When you see that happen a couple of times ... when people are really getting shot dead ... like what happens 'over there' ... you'll see the lefty-social-experiment closed down ... and damned quick
I don't think you've seen any of the protests for the last 4 weeks. The behavior of the protesters and the threats, violence, and killing of police is unprecedented.
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: butcherguy
When the preppers talk about being armed, the lefties said, 'oh you can't fight the police and military... so you are a joke to even spout off about 2nd Amendment stuff.'
Status quo has always been the police or the military get to move 'in force' first.
You let the 'little' team I was with in the ME & NA get set up first and we can lock a city down for days. You'd practically need the USAF to shake us loose.
When you see that happen a couple of times ... when people are really getting shot dead ... like what happens 'over there' ... you'll see the lefty-social-experiment closed down ... and damned quick. All these minority issues will disappear like farts in the wind and the country will get right back to normal.
The merry-go-round of Womenz Rights, LGBTQ, BLM, Climate Change, ad naseum. Let a few of TPTB pushing that agenda ... to knock America to her knees ... have their lives and families shattered (instead of working for Burisma and raking in millions of your tax dollars) ... for the cause.
All of my buttons got pushed. Sorry for the Rant Reply.