Corona Virus Updates Part 6

a reply to: McGinty

Indeed. The timing on that, is certainly convenient.

a reply to: puzzled2

Comparing something like our microbiota to COVID is inappropriate. MRSA is quickly joining our microbiota in the developed world. Staph aureus likes to colonize the anterior nasal passages and other areas in a large portion of the population. If you start vetting people who are carriers, you won’t have staff for a hospital. Other organisms like C. difficile and H. pylori are also joining the club. Then pseudomonas and others. Essentially, these organisms are now a part of the “normal” microbiota in the developed world and are contributing to expressed disease.

Opportunistic or secondary infections after the initial infection are also common and may be the result of treatment or the inflammatory process. Especially in the patients dying from stage III COVID. They have compromised immune responses and signaling issues that are basically amplified after the initial infection is resolved. They are killed by SARS-CoV-2 and it’s impact, plus the secondary infection. They should require them to list both but they could be limiting emergency funding if they do, not really sure about the political aspect.

It’s too late to use antibiotics responsibly. We are screwed and it is why research is shifting from antibiotics to things like fecal transplant, phage therapy, and targeting siderophores or other pathways that are evolutionary conserved across organisms and will prevent escape mutations from occurring. At least in theory, microbes are quite resilient.

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

The comparison is the human to human transmission aspect.
The fact hospitals aver understaffed wasn't a problem when firing healthy individuals with-out a vaccine.

Hopefully the research will be more forthcoming with funding not only for "New Profitable" solutions.

More papers are being published noting the helpful effects of using Ivermectin.
jan 15
Ivermectin Prophylaxis Used for COVID-19: A Citywide, Prospective, Observational Study of 223,128 Subjects Using Propensity Score Matching

There were 25 deaths among ivermectin users (0.8% mortality rate) and
79 deaths among non-ivermectin users (2.6% mortality rate), a 68% reduction in mortality rate (RR, 0.32; 95% CI, 0.20-0.49). When PSM was adjusted, reduction in mortality rate was 70% (RR, 0.30; 95% CI, 0.19-0.46; p < 0.0001).

Shame there was so much profiteering against thst treatment in the vulnerable

Smashing look at the Sage ‘scenarios’ vs actual: an update

This week was the period when deaths were supposed to be peaking – so given that no extra restrictions were ordered, it’s interesting to compare the peak the models predicted for this week with what actually happened.
Deaths were said by Sage to peak at anything from 600 to 6,000 a day (the latter figure, predictably, hogged the headlines). But on Saturday 262 deaths were reported in England, and the ONS indicates that a potentially large proportion of these were those who died from other causes but also happened to have Covid.

Hospitalisations were to peak between 3,000 to 10,000 a day.
But yesterday there were 1,698 hospital admissions and 14,320 patients in hospital (12 per cent fewer than last Saturday). We also know that about half of these patients are being primarily treated for something else, but also happen to have Covid.

The number of Covid patients in intensive care has fallen to a six-month low.

Seems we were following the "modelling" and not the science.

Sage offer different scenarios to the PM - worst, best and probably a range in between. That obvious gives Bojo the opportunity to cherry pick the one that best suits his venal, self serving agendas and say that he’s ‘following the science’.

He seems to have used this to continually facilitate massive contracts to chums and avoid lockdowns in order to keep his other chums’ dividends rolling in.

Of course the latter back fired twice when avoiding lockdowns only meant far longer lockdowns and far more deaths because he’d allowed the virus to spread exponentially. But who knows, with this bloke there was probably a financial angle in that too (such as a lower pension and care bill for treasury if more of the frail and elderly die).

a reply to: McGinty

We've got to consider if the Sage group actually did anything or did they follow the remarkable similar "Build Back Better" marketing program we see accompanying the recovery.

I think, you'll find that the UK along with most other countries are in a huge covid debit to the bankers. Not net profit from death of excess people.

Perhaps, if there was 1 country that didn't follow the March 2020 Pandemic CCP lockdown advice we could see if locking down v not locking down made an difference in spread and deaths.

Questions - If you look at the actual 17,000 from covid deaths aren't most of them people who were locked down in Care homes?

Aren't most cases in-home spread amongst family members?

For a population of people that didn't lock down didn't have PPE and mingled with all walks of life - How did the shop workers do? Higher numbers lower or the same as the office workers working from home?

a reply to: puzzled2

I’m not suggesting that a cull of the old and frail was the main goal and motivation for Bojo’s covid policies. The virus was most likely something of a small surprise gift from China and the lab’s international (Fauci) sponsors. But far from Bojo making an endless series of incompetent errors, he and his corporate sponsor-chums exploited the disaster.

Whilst profiteering they ran up huge bills for the tax payer for not only furlough, but also staggering PPE and Track & Trace contracts to chums. The notion that they might help to balance those bent books if plenty of the frail and elderly died might’ve looked attractive to a psycho-nut job - a silver lining amidst the rain clouds. Whether such psycho-nut job views were taken we’ll never know.

And yes, thats a good point, build back better may have been the agenda that Sage was facilitating. Imo the individual scientists on that panel wouldn’t need to be a part of such a plan, they just needed to present a broad spectrum of scenarios so that Bojo could cherry pick. That’s indeed what they did!

That’s the petty, greedy psychosis I believe Bojo to have been operating under. But while a cull may have been a silver lining to Bojo, it might well have been the objective elsewhere. On a deeper layer of the conspiracy onion it wouldn’t surprise if the virus turned out to be tptb’s panicked, genocidal answer to climate change. Imho human’s do have an issue with the steepening upward population curve. The rate population has increased over the past century surely can’t be sustained by the planet’s resources.

But whether that’s true or not, if the 1% feel the pinch of those climate crises warnings how would such a privileged, disassociated and all powerful sub-species try to protect itself? Bye-bye the rest of us, or least enough of us, that’s how.

All speculation of course, since sat here in my little world i know sod all, in the scheme of things. There are probably pigeons out there that know more than me about what’s really happening than I manage to mis-learn from the internet and ministry of truth on the telly.

So there is 36,996,936 people in Total in the UK with the – booster or third dose.
15 million of them are over 12 weeks so basically unvaxxed now.
Under 6 weeks another 5 million.
Over the next few days there will be on average 750,000 after the big push before christmas.

Also expect the "Died 28 days after a positive test number to shoot up as the Omicron Era is upon us.

Will the Press start to ask for clarification of the From and with questions or will the upswing be used to scare the Karens and Kevins into demanding lockdowns and taxes?

seems there is some hope for those that want to get Therapeutics in Canada.
Canadian COVID TeleHealth

Presently, we offer the following services in all provinces except NL and PE:
1) Preventative Consultation (prophylaxis and/or “have on hand”) – $149
2) Early COVID-19 Treatment (less than 5 days since disease onset) – $299
3) Complex COVID-19 Treatment – your COVID-19 infection is advanced beyond 5 days – $399

Catch is you have to be a member but as I haven't clicked to find out.

We are a private COVID-19 (only) telehealth service, operate on a fee for service basis and are open to “members only”. The good news is that any Canadian who is willing to accept our reasonable membership responsibilities and commitments can become a member and receive the essential COVID-19 treatments they want or need.

So it is up to you to follow your own conscious

Well UK government will now start counting Positive episodes

So if you test positive multiple times it will no longer be 1 case but multiple episodes.

New Scary numbers

As the pandemic continues and more variants emerge, it is more likely that people will be reinfected with COVID-19. Contact tracing and health protection work at UKHSA follows up people with a positive test result, whether they were a new case or a case of reinfection. However, surveillance figures only report COVID-19 cases as the date of the first infection, so individuals are only counted once.

UK public health agencies are now updating surveillance data to count infection episodes, including reinfection episodes. Infection episodes will be counted separately if there are at least 90 days between positive test results. Each episode begins with the earliest positive specimen date. If someone has another positive specimen within 90 days of the last one, this is included in the same episode. If they have another positive specimen more than 90 days after the last one, this is counted in a separate episode (a possible reinfection episode).

Seems their logic is the need to count re-infections.
However does that mean that all new tests will be tested to prove a different variant from before and therefore the need for more variant boosters for everyone?

a reply to: puzzled2

Apparently not:


www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Apparently not: What?

You present a newspaper article using the current method to illistrate what?
When the point is about a NEW method coming into force on the from 31st January 2022, UKHSA will move all COVID-19 case reporting in England to use a new episode-based definition which includes possible reinfections.

Cases definition to include multiple infection episodes from 31 January 2022

Come on Oldcarpy2 try to keep up with the events happening in your own country at least.

originally posted by: puzzled2
More papers are being published noting the helpful effects of using Ivermectin.
jan 15
Ivermectin Prophylaxis Used for COVID-19: A Citywide, Prospective, Observational Study of 223,128 Subjects Using Propensity Score Matching

There were 25 deaths among ivermectin users (0.8% mortality rate) and
79 deaths among non-ivermectin users (2.6% mortality rate), a 68% reduction in mortality rate (RR, 0.32; 95% CI, 0.20-0.49). When PSM was adjusted, reduction in mortality rate was 70% (RR, 0.30; 95% CI, 0.19-0.46; p < 0.0001).

Shame there was so much profiteering against thst treatment in the vulnerable

Its strange how singers like Neil Young, WHO, CNN, MSBNC are agaisnt such treatements while supporting things like a mRNA vax which havent being used very much in open large human experiments.

I do remember a study of using the mRNA vax as a vax agaisnt rabies not infections of viruses like flu or Covid.

It was alarming to see CNN promote Pfizer's CEO as the CEO of the year.

a reply to: puzzled2

So what?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

What so?

a reply to: puzzled2

Hmmmm.

You seem to be stalking me.

Like a nasty tro.....


No. Not rising to your rancid bait.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: puzzled2

Hmmmm.

You seem to be stalking me.

Like a nasty tro.....


No. Not rising to your rancid bait.

Gaslight much?

a reply to: McGinty

No idea what that means?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Strange comment you replied to my post and when I respond - I'm stalking you.

Jeepers, you're really confused and not able to follow the facts at all these last few days.
You may need a break from ATS or see a doctor.