Where do Viruses come from?

while the conspiracy fetishists think up the wildest things, there are - thank god! - still scientists who approach the subject matter soberly and objectively on the basis of facts and try to explain it.

keyword: biodiversity. a healthy habitat means that every species has its place, its logical task within the biosphere. if, for example, a forest is cleared, a gap, an open space, is created, and this is exactly where such viruses are created - we create, so to speak, the breeding ground. simply explained, i'm not a scientist.

"This includes the change to heavy land use, the spread of monocultures or the clearing of forests. This leads to a loss of biodiversity and changes the composition of mammal populations. Less species diversity means more animals of a species. If more animals of one species are found in the same habitat, infectious diseases can spread more easily between animals of one species. In simple terms, therefore, we can say: species diversity could also protect against the spread of infectious diseases..."

www.bmbf.de...

a reply to: oloufo

In the main people have lost their long held connection with soil / earth .

Working with soil everyday you contact bacteria , funguses, and a plethora of viruses .
Working in office everyday you contact chemically sterilised surfaces, contaminated with human sheddings of biological samples eg skin detritus or dust , fecal matter , food remnants , nose pickings , accidental coughings etc etc .

When you deficate into a compost toilet , all it takes for the all kinds of bacteria and viruses that emerge , is a little straw and soil to render those both non smelling , and crucially , in balance . Neutralised in other words by the presence of soil microorganisms.

No particular organism can gain a hold a create a monopoly because the plethora immediately goes to work breaking anything ( dead bodies included) down , into the plethora , a process similar to melting ice in warmer water .

No exposure to soil gives no resistance or immunity to the bacteria fungal strains and viruses within it. Exposure to soil offers the direct opposite scenario.
Microorganisms are billionized in just a teaspoon of good humus rich soil .

A human immune system should be used to countering all kinds of potential compromises (eg anthrax spores dormant in soil , while more than 10 of these entering the lungs can spell death , less than that may create an innoculation ) . And again , a good human environment is in no way a sterile one , and it takes soil , again and again , to soak up balance and neutralise human created detritus , effectively feeding it back to plants as nutrients made available to plants.

Without going on and on and length , there isn't time , some studies and scientists have gotten further with understanding ( it'll take an age to understand soil relationships in minute scientific detail an almost pointless excercise given composttea sprayed to plants almost everytime solves viral problems, and of course polycultural systems avoid the great susceptibilities of monocultural production a recommended microbiologist on the matter is
Masanobu Fukuoka , an ex agricultural industry laboratory specialist turned natural farmer .

originally posted by: oloufo
- thank god! -l

Yes, these microbiologists that manipulate virus' and probably created this virus...yeah we should give them a whole lot of thanks.

originally posted by: oloufo
while the conspiracy fetishists think up the wildest things, there are - thank god! - still scientists...

Whiskey tango foxtrot!! conspiracy fetishists?!?! SERIOUSLY bruh?

Did you really just cite the "Federal Ministry of Education"? That sounds like something straight outa China...

How do you know if you have fallen prey to the cult of 'Scientism'? Answer this question: Can you differentiate between the collective human understanding of 'how' things work in our material world, and the 'why' of how they came to be that way. (or even why it does what it does at all.) Those are two very different questions, that scientists, (who frequenty are very bad philosophers,) often get mixed up. Never forget that 'science' can be as abused for the sake of religious or anti-religious preconceptions as equally as the Bible can be, on both sides of a debate.

Combating the cult of "Scientism."

I thought your thread was about the origin of the first viruses, a far more basic question then where do present day viruses emerge from.

From my understanding viruses aren't considered "alive", yet they are biological and use genetic coding to reproduce even though that requires a host cell to do the work. The infected host cell's create more viruses that are composed of just enough genetic coding to produce more viruses. Each virus is merely a vehicle to transmit viral code to the next host cell. They don't convert anything into energy for fuel, they don't propel themselves through the environment and they don't grow and change during their life cycle. The viral life cycle is exist and increase their number or cease to exist (they can't die if they aren't alive).

I have to believe that such rouge parasitic genetic material must have come from damage to complete living cells from the earliest living organisms. Perhaps some kind of cancer in the earliest and simplest single celled life created the first viruses that then mutated and evolved right along side with the rest of life on Earth. It seems like a trillion to one chance that such a simple and perfectly adapted biological unit could exist that only delivers enough genetics to a host cell to make more of the same code. What use is there for something that infect cells to produce just enough genetics to infect more cells?

a reply to: oloufo

80% of all viruses come from Southeast Asia and from there the virus point of origin is livestock...

a reply to: chrismarco

Viruses were the tools/ the genetic modification methods of the Ancient advanced overlords that changed primitive mans genetic code to include portions of their own DNA.

Then rival factions fought and weaponized the tools of the house of life to slay their enemies in the middle eras of divine kingship and inadvertently created biological weapons that were released into the wild to intermix with the planet's natural ecosystems.

Lol

That's an excellent question. A little background information on the enemy is always helpful.

www.scientificamerican.com...

This article gives a good basic view.

Viruses are living organisms that have been around from the begining.
Tracing their origins it seems is a challenge because they mutate but also because they entangle themselves into a hosts DNA and untangling them is required before they can determine a history.

Still, scientists have been able to piece together some viral histories, based on the fact that the genes of many viruses—such as those that cause herpes and mono—seem to share some properties with cells' own genes. This could suggest that they started as big bits of cellular DNA and then became independent—or that these viruses came along very early in evolution, and some of their DNA stuck around in cells' genomes. The fact that some viruses that infect humans share structural features with viruses that infect bacteria could mean that all of these viruses have a common origin, dating back several billion years

And for those who prefer a visual

There's going to be a test on friday.

a reply to: HelloboysImbackguy

Not far off from what viruses actually do.

Minus the melodrama. LOL

a reply to: Sillyolme

How convenient that this PLANdemic just so happened to evolve right when "they" needed it to... Just think how bad things MIGHT have been if that "Event 201" pandemic exercise hadn't been conducted in October of last year. Thank you Bill Gates, where would we be without you...

a reply to: Murgatroid
I do not know anything about viruses and I'm not going to pretend I do.
I have read that there are no indications from the dna of this virus that it was manufactured.
I do not know what they look for so don't ask.
Just know that this one is quite natural.
Or dont...