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Originally posted by BrawleR
You into Witchcraft? There's a plethera of basic protection spells out there that may not totally get rid of them, but give you a feeling of well being. Not just spells of course, also symbols and such.
Originally posted by Balaams donkey
Hi Vash,
Now that hardbody is bashing me on some other thread, maybe we can all talk.
Let us define some terms, God would be the Creator of all things, all powerful, the first cause. Demons and Angels would be creations of the God. The terms Demon, devil, or satanic mean against God or without God.
God is light, love, life, and truth. This is very reasonable, as how could any truth, life, light or love exist outside of the Creator, this would cause the idea of two sources, of things, thus, causing the idea of two gods, which could not be. For what would have been the source of the gods, and why would they be different? Meaning why would say a good god create an evil god? There is no reason. It is only logical to say that there is one God undivided, without end or beginning.
Having said all that, why would one embrace creatures whom hate the source of there very existence? Meaning demons. Why would you, not want to be joined and receive the Love of the Creator, who fashioned you?
Originally posted by BrawleR
You into Witchcraft? There's a plethera of basic protection spells out there that may not totally get rid of them, but give you a feeling of well being. Not just spells of course, also symbols and such.
Originally posted by Vash
thank you for your advice....
i have tryed to use god's name to ride my self of them but it is to no end they are still here still watching me i have not asked them to do any thing in years and i truly think they are here to protect me for some thing maybe for my after life?
Originally posted by radardog
Do humans have enough freewill to override God's prophecy? That my friend is a good question.
Originally posted by radardog
Only through God's power do these things hover around you. With that said, who is to judge God's decision to have them around you?
Originally posted by radardog
A few men?
No, we do not have enough freewill to 'beat up' God nor his plan. That would negate that whole omnipotence definition of God.
Hold up. First your saying there's freewill, now you're saying there isn't because God has put these demons with Vash? It's a bit contradictory don't you think? In addition to the idea that God wants us to kick out evil in our lives.
Thanks for the love and respect . Remember why we're here? We were sent here to help as servants of God, not to spin people into confusing directions. Apply the same test to us then to see if we are from God.
Originally posted by radardog
I'm not saying there is or there isn't freewill. I am simply making observations. We know that God allows those demons to be with Vash; if God didn't allow it, they wouldn't be there.
Originally posted by radardog
Angels were and still are servants of God -- therefore, since they do not have freewill,
Originally posted by radardog
there must be a higher power directing their actions (God?). Thus, we see that God both allows and puts all of these experiences around Vash.
Originally posted by radardog
Now we sit here as men to question the omnipotent, omniscient God's motives regarding these experiences?
Originally posted by radardog
Saint, I hate to inform you, but God also sends false prophets and information. How do I know this? Let's quote God (or his proxy):
"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: " 2 Thessalonians 2:11
Originally posted by radardog
Is this a biblical contradiction?
Originally posted by radardog
Maybe, I don't know. However, we can all see the God can and has sent people information wherein your test would render useless: even God can decieve.
Originally posted by radardog
Not exactly. Technically we are here to worship, follow, and love God.
Originally posted by radardog
It's not that I don't respect you, I just want to observe us as the sheep questioning the shepard's actions.
Originally posted by Balaams donkey
Oh Boy,
Vash, you ask good questions, Bravo!
Somebody tell me how to place quotes, every time I do this it deletes everything else,.......sigh.......life was simpler, when all a donkey had to was carry heavy loads and eat carrots.
1. On the Trinity, Christians do not believe in three gods. We believe in three persons in one God nature. Examples:
A) The three leaf clover, three distinct leaves (persons) in one nature, the plant.
B) The family, the children are of the same nature as the mother and father, but are distinct persons.
C) The bible, it can be read literal, moral, or allegoric, at any time, three states in one nature.
D) The human being has a mind, body and soul, three distinct things, in one nature.
Now one would say the God could not be a Father, nor would anyone say that God is mute, and cannot speak, even though he created speech, his speech is his Word, nor would it be said he does not have of Spirit. So we could believe in his Fatherhood, his Word, and his Spirit.
2. God knows all thing, therefore he knows, what I am going to do before, I do it, thus I do not have free will.
This is an old, and powerful deception of how the world is created and works. It is based on the idea that everything is created already including the future; well the future is not created, if it was we go there. Therefore, God does not know, what does not exist, in fact it does make any sense to say; God knows something about nothing, or he knows about things that are not.
The Atheist's use what is called, a paradox to casts doubts in the minds of believers; a paradox is two seeming contrary thoughts.
Examples:
1. This sentence is false.
2. All truth is a lie.
3. The truth is there is no truth, this is the truth.
These are examples of a paradox, so is the false idea of "God knows everything, therefore the future is fixed". This paradox was created to allow man to be free of God, thus allowing him to be free of responsibility for ones own actions. If you reduce 90% of religions and philosophies down, simplify them you get "man is not responsible for his actions, before death" The disposition of personal responsibility. This is why judgment from a God is hated by them.
I will keep it short so you can reply,
Your friend.
Originally posted by Wren
Originally posted by Vash
thank you for your advice....
i have tryed to use god's name to ride my self of them but it is to no end they are still here still watching me i have not asked them to do any thing in years and i truly think they are here to protect me for some thing maybe for my after life?
Dear Vash,
I agree with Bal and Saint, and if you wish to give ear to yet an other soul one who has walked this path I will gladly share the little wisdom I have.
I know they seek passionate souls perhaps because these have a greater ability to run thier erends. People who have God give given gifts. I was one and as Bal says it may take years to rid ourselves of them.
If they can't blow your personaity up to an arrogant selfish being they will confuse you into thinking your God given gifts and unique personality is worthless they will let you know you are the least of all beings that God has disdained you, they will push you so far that even thier hiddious company is better than total solitude.
Pray Child, Listen to Bal. My thoughts reach to Heaven for you.
Forgive me I called you child it is a word of love and care that God will use addressing us in our times of trial. Only twice (that's enough) have I heard this voice loud and clear in utter dispair , with great confidence say " Be calm My Child, have no fear"
They will make you proud, take all the humbleness out of you, say you deserve better, that you don't have to bow to them, you are an equal. Beware.
Be innocent, enjoy the gifts of God, the rising sun the new day every meal you recieve, loving friends, little things,thank your Creator, welcome the heart of a child into your life.
They hate that, they want you to look away from the beauty of God, forget that all creation comes from One source, they will tell you that you and you alone have the power to create, you can do it ALL ALONE if you listen to them. Don't!!!
Yes God has created us in His image,His gifts are many, but not to rule.
Life Bless
WrenLittle
P.S. Forgive my spelling
Originally posted by Balaams donkey
Hi Vash,
All right, I think I understood you. in your questions on free will. It is not God who sends us to Hell, it is us who send ourselves there. When we sin, we by our own will and action we depart from God, we turn away from his love and nature. We join ourselves to the nature of Satan, who is in hell. God never created Hell for anybody to live in. When Satan and demons rebelled he made Hell for them, and then when man decided to follow Satan’s, teaching rather than Gods, he joins his master Satan in Hell. It is always our freewill.
Vash
he knows what we are to do before we do it