Corona Virus Updates Part 5

Well folks...

All this crying about not having tests, but when the crap hits the fan, testing is pointless.

LA Times - Docs Not Testing Unless it Changes Treatment Method

a reply to: ShortBus

Which means containment is impossible. You pretty much have to act like everyone has it. Remember it can spread asymptomatic, it’s camouflage. I would not be in L.A right now. The world we are living in this Saturday, won’t be the same next Saturday.

Stay safe.

originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: ShortBus

Which means containment is impossible. You pretty much have to act like everyone has it. Remember it can spread asymptomatic, it’s camouflage. I would not be in L.A right now. The world we are living in this Saturday, won’t be the same next Saturday.

Stay safe.

Yep. Our county (Johnson County, KS) is considered for some states an automatic quarantine if you have visited here in the last week. We have community spread and our first death today.

a reply to: Bicent

Which means containment is impossible.

Once the level of infection reaches a critical point, I would think.

Testing does provide more information about how the disease spreads, but that's for later. Not a priority now.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Bicent

There isn't a lot of reason for the public to wear masks.

I keep hearing that.
Not buying it though.

a reply to: butcherguy

Ok.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: pasiphae

Your homemade mask ain't gonna cut it.

If you are healthy, there is not thought to be any additional benefit to wearing a mask yourself because the mask is not airtight and does not necessarily prevent breathing in of these viral particles, which are very tiny,"

"Most people who do not work in a health care setting have not received training on how to put on and take off the masks properly. Doing this incorrectly can actually increase your risk of infection. Also, people who are wearing masks tend to touch their face more than those who are not, which can paradoxically result in an increased risk of infection as well," says Dr. Rajapakse.

newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org...

My daughter crocheted one and I've asked her to double layer it so we can put another piece of fabric between the layers (that can be easily removed for washing/drying). It's better than nothing. It's not hazmat level but I'll take it over nothing. At some point we all may have to have some face protection when we go out like they were ordered to in China. I'm trying to stay in as much as possible.

a reply to: Phage

Yup, there are still areas in the country with no cases. Yet if we don’t test we can’t contain. Can’t quarantine all towns, and cities or states really. We still have to deliver via freight trucks, trains, planes food and MAIL and whatever other raw materials so ya we don’t test we can’t contain. It will be spreading among the country for a long time in this current precautionary measure. It is what it is.

A shocking day here in the UK for me.
Last night Boris supposedly made all pubs, cafes and restaurants and gyms closed from hereon. Well, a LOT are flouting the rules. It may look quiet in central London on tv, but that is not the reality for much of the UK. I haven't been out, i'm self isolating for now, it seems too risky and have prepped fine enough.
But the pictures I am seeing online and chatter amongst people is insanity. People meeting in the park for walks/gatherings, people going to packed beaches as it's sunny, people driving to Devon and Cornwall for holidays, packed caravan parks - it is simply staggering. It looks like bank holiday weekend in some pictures!
I can't get my head around it. We are on track for being ahead of Italy now in the numbers and I don't understand.
Partly, I blame our stupid government for telling us all to sing 'Happy Birthday' whilst washing our hands for weeks! He didn't say and hasn't yet really, said the truth. The fact this virus is pretty deadly for some and often results in pneumonia! Even with the Italian doctors basically begging us to shutdown, stay in etc we are not listening and I am horrified, frankly.

I thought I would share some posts:
This one is a Facebook post from a woman whose 5 year old boy is ill with confirmed coronavirus:
www.facebook.com...
You can view without using the platform, but here is an excerpt:

I've had to watch my 5yr old son go from having all the energy in the world to not moving, not eating, hardly drinking or urinating. His temperature wouldn't go below the 40's and at its highest was 42.3 which caused vomiting, I watched him hallucinating and crying from the headache, being taken to hospital by ambulance to be put in isolation pods and be swapped for the virus and confirmed positive. He lay in the hospital bed and asked me if he was going to die - as a mother that is heartbreaking 😭💔 his blood sugar levels were only 3.7, his respiratory rate was 18-20 and his heart rate was 180, the sweat was pouring out of him but he was shivering, he was panting for breath and he had photophobia. As his mom and not being able to do anything for him has been one of the worst experiences of my life. So please, just stay in for a little while, so what if you can't do all your normal things, the sooner everybody does social distancing, the sooner it will be over.

Crazy people sat close in Whitstable

'thousands turn up on beach'

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Our German members deboarcher...(sorry for bad spelling) summed up nicely how in where he is it's ok to go to work and spread germs between 6am and 6pm but once home You're under strict quarantine, the old the show must go on, at the expense of those of us that make up the cogs in the wheel.

Well...

Update:

Maybe it is because Germany's CFR is still the lowest of anywhere else - though it has risen a tiny bit in the last couple of days - was 0.2% for a long time, has risen to about 0.33% as of now?

That wasn't the point, he's saying it's funny how it's ok to work and bump shoulders with the dirty masses but not ok to bump shoulders with the dirty masses when not at work...

Which makes no logical sense unless it's being viewed from an economic standpoint.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: butcherguy

Ok.

We have heard again and again that the masks (even the ones that medical personnel wear) won’t filter out the virus, yet it seems the doctors and nurses really need them.

Maybe it is just a security blanket.

Erin Banco @ErinBanco At least four nurses and doctors working on coronavirus in NYC told me that Friday was the first day they really felt overwhelmed with patients, many of whom were otherwise healthy and under 40 yrs old. 3:30 PM · Mar 21, 2020·Twitter Web App One nurse I spoke to said the population she's seen in her hospital with COVID19 are NOT majority over 65. There is a real mix. Worried people are coming to the hospital too late, when symptoms are bad A warning from all of them: Younger, healthy people need to take these lockdowns seriously. Not just for the old, more vulnerable folks. Young people are dying, too.

twitter.com...

a reply to: pasiphae

Wow, really sad. Looks like a healthy young person, and the advice from Doctors advising ‘not at risk’ would suggest no pre existing medical conditions.

I think it’s time the public had full disclosure on what exactly this thing is, and where it emanated from. Have never heard of the flu killing someone healthy within 4 days before, not to mention killing many more and leaving others requiring bubble air bags in critical condition. If we had known it may have saved life through people taking this more seriously / save lives to help people take it more seriously.

PS. Please don’t quote me ‘official’ figures or how this stacks up against influenza.

a reply to: cirrus12

Are you actually in the UK?..... im sure there are a few flouters, but its bloody freezing, there are no beach parties.

originally posted by: blackrabbit1
a reply to: cirrus12

Are you actually in the UK?..... im sure there are a few flouters, but its bloody freezing, there are no beach parties.

It was on the news.
Loads of people heading to Cornwall and Skegness and other beaches, as if it was a Bank Holiday weekend.
The Govt is apparently going to ask to close the Caravan Parks and Beaches, to get people back inside.

The problem , is that these are isolated communities most of the year round, and they have no where near the capacity for any sick people.
I think one of the places has like one hospital, that can cope with 80 patients.

originally posted by: HallowedEarth
a reply to: pasiphae

Wow, really sad. Looks like a healthy young person, and the advice from Doctors advising ‘not at risk’ would suggest no pre existing medical conditions.

I think it’s time the public had full disclosure on what exactly this thing is, and where it emanated from. Have never heard of the flu killing someone healthy within 4 days before, not to mention killing many more and leaving others requiring bubble air bags in critical condition. If we had known it may have saved life through people taking this more seriously / save lives to help people take it more seriously.

PS. Please don’t quote me ‘official’ figures or how this stacks up against influenza.

Its a tool of a cocktail virus and is probably what we are all hoping its not! The more we hear just highlights Its MO is something else!

a reply to: cirrus12

I'm totally with you. The only thing I can theorise with UK reactions are the following...

1) People hate being told what to do, especially by politicians they don't like (pretty much all of them) so do the opposite in rebellion like children.

2) I think people are like "Hey, no work... we're going to get money for free!! HOLIDAY TIME!!! What shall we do??? Where shall we go??

That is literally all I can think when seeing it.
The most effective thing the government could have done is encouraged everyone to go out and catch the virus, because "we want to get rid of the useless eaters!" ...then you'd find everyone being obnoxiously stubborn and not going anywhere in defiance.

Such weird times.

Here is the paper that Trump's team was happy about.
Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial
Latest research on COVID19

originally posted by: cirrus12
A shocking day here in the UK for me.
Last night Boris supposedly made all pubs, cafes and restaurants and gyms closed from hereon. Well, a LOT are flouting the rules. It may look quiet in central London on tv, but that is not the reality for much of the UK. I haven't been out, i'm self isolating for now, it seems too risky and have prepped fine enough.
But the pictures I am seeing online and chatter amongst people is insanity. People meeting in the park for walks/gatherings, people going to packed beaches as it's sunny, people driving to Devon and Cornwall for holidays, packed caravan parks - it is simply staggering. It looks like bank holiday weekend in some pictures!
I can't get my head around it. We are on track for being ahead of Italy now in the numbers and I don't understand.
Partly, I blame our stupid government for telling us all to sing 'Happy Birthday' whilst washing our hands for weeks! He didn't say and hasn't yet really, said the truth. The fact this virus is pretty deadly for some and often results in pneumonia! Even with the Italian doctors basically begging us to shutdown, stay in etc we are not listening and I am horrified, frankly.

I thought I would share some posts:
This one is a Facebook post from a woman whose 5 year old boy is ill with confirmed coronavirus:
www.facebook.com...
You can view without using the platform, but here is an excerpt:

I've had to watch my 5yr old son go from having all the energy in the world to not moving, not eating, hardly drinking or urinating. His temperature wouldn't go below the 40's and at its highest was 42.3 which caused vomiting, I watched him hallucinating and crying from the headache, being taken to hospital by ambulance to be put in isolation pods and be swapped for the virus and confirmed positive. He lay in the hospital bed and asked me if he was going to die - as a mother that is heartbreaking 😭💔 his blood sugar levels were only 3.7, his respiratory rate was 18-20 and his heart rate was 180, the sweat was pouring out of him but he was shivering, he was panting for breath and he had photophobia. As his mom and not being able to do anything for him has been one of the worst experiences of my life. So please, just stay in for a little while, so what if you can't do all your normal things, the sooner everybody does social distancing, the sooner it will be over.

Crazy people sat close in Whitstable

'thousands turn up on beach'

Same from what I’ve seen too, kids out in huge numbers and still lots of people going out. This is going to explode

A 5 year old in Cortland County NY confirmed to have it according to local news.