Anglo-American Power In The End Times

I wanted to talk about how bible prophesy is currently relating to world events especially with the The United States and The United Kingdom.

What is most interesting is how bible prophesy predicted these nations would be very mighty in the last days and yet broken, their democracies would lead to fractured support for the government, 50% of their people are always unhappy with the current political activity they are more divided than ever before.

Daniel 2:41-43

41 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, because you saw the iron mixed with miry clay. 42 As the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43 And whereas you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mix with one another but they shall not hold together, even as iron does not mix with clay.

We have seen this with both the last election cycle and the current one, and the attempt to impeach the President and the craziness with Brexit in the UK. Militarily these nations together are very strong but domestically they are somewhat "broken". They start out fairly strong together as illustrated by their victories together in both the WW1 & WW2. But as you get into the last part of the last days you are into the toes. Iron mixed with clay in the ankles and feet area are even stronger than the toes, some bibles say brittle instead of broken which would describe the toes mixed with iron and clay

We are at the feet of the great image


Here are some other scriptures and titles for this political power


Daniel Chapter 11 talks about the King of the South and also the King of the North which was the Soviet Union and is now Russia.

Finally scriptures talk about the end coming while these powers still dominate the world scene even if they are broken domestically.

Daniel 2:44 & 45

At the time of those kings, the God of heaven will establish a kingdom that will never be destroyed. No other people will be permitted to rule it. It will smash all the other kingdoms and put an end to them. But it will be established forever. 45This is the stone that you saw cut out from a mountain, but not by humans. It smashed the iron, bronze, clay, silver, and gold. The great God has told you what will happen in the future, Your Majesty. The dream is true, and you can trust that this is its meaning."

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
How do they pin down the king of the south as meaning Anglo-America? For one thing, that ignores a lot of history; Spain was dominant in the world for at least a century and France was dominant in the world for at least another century. Where do they fit into the system? In short, don't you think these identifications are a little arbitrary?

I'm reminded of the technique by which Sun Myung Moon identified the origin of the Messiah. To paraphrase from memory, though I've got the book upstairs; "Messiah comes from the East. Not Japan, because that was Fascist. Not China, because that's Communist. That leaves Korea!"

a reply to: DISRAELI

Don't forget the Ottoman Empire.

If you really want to get into the weeds, many believe the man of sin will come from a revived Roman empire.... where was the Eastern half of the Empire's capital?

a reply to: infolurker
The only clue that I would find is that the Beast which suffers a mortal wound in Revelation ch13 and comes back to life is a state. That happened to China in the last century, and it happened to Russia twice. But there's no reason why the relevant events should not be in the future.

a reply to: DISRAELI
The were other great "regional" powers beyond the ones listed on the image for sure, but none as strong for their time as the ones listed.
For example Greek culture dominated long after Alexander the Great died and his Generals carved things up.

So these were powers for sure, but if you look at the image it is dealing with notable world powers, England came out of Roman control, vestiges of the Roman empire lasted until England was very powerful, even though a war was waged with their American cousins they essentially were of the same culture and language, it was more of a civil war much like the Confederates fought the Union, I know that is not the commonly held belief. But they become such strong allies in the 20th century that became a world power together, UK part would dominate the first part and the American would dominate the last part.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
Don't forget, if you are claiming Anglo-America as the seventh head of Revelation ch13, then this head suffers a mortal wound, as I observed above. Only then does it come back to life and start dominating the world. Neither power has even died the first time yet, which would leave a long way to go.

And don't knock the Spanish as a world-power. The Spanish empire was the original empire on which "the sun did not set" (that is, there was always some part of it in daylight). The British only stole the line later. The French dominated the world long enough to make French the official language of diplomacy.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

At the time of those kings, the God of heaven will establish a kingdom that will never be destroyed. No other people will be permitted to rule it. It will smash all the other kingdoms and put an end to them. But it will be established forever.

From your post we may assume that this ''kingdom'' will not be either the US or the UK. Correct? If so, where do you think this kingdom the God of heaven will establish his kingdom? Do you see some nation or tribe or whatever that demonstrates any indication of being this indestructible kingdom?

Will it arise on some Pacific atoll or maybe some other area that could sustain a thriving population of Christian believers?

Will the citizens be focused on Christian beliefs? If so , which ones. Will it have a democratic government, no, I guess not as the prophesy you posted suggests that no other people will be permitted to rule it. I guess that rules out a democracy, that is unless all the people are of one mind that is focused on one standard set of Biblical rules.

So the only thing I can imagine here is a theocratic state. As this prophesy states clearly that this kingdom will be established ''at the time of those kings'' and we can assume that those kings are of the two kingdoms you mention at the top, the US and the UK, that this kingdom of the God in Heaven will arise while both are still viable nations. This must be the case if this heavenly kingdom will put an end to not only the US and UK but ''smash all the other kingdoms and put an end to them''

I see no kingdom like that around, that could smash all other kingdoms. So where is it and when will it start.

Oh wait. I just had a thought. Maybe you mean that this kingdom will arise within an already established, earthly kingdom, that a people who all believe the same thing will form within an already established kingdom and by using these people, God will form a movement among them and they will arise and take over an already established kingdom and utilize that nation to smash the rest of the world. Is that what you think this means. And is it what you would like to see?

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

This Kingdom is lead by Christ, he will rule from heaven, all kingdoms of this earth will have their sovereignty removed, it will be a world government with Jesus as the King. Any who try to stop it will not survive.
It is the 1000 year millennial reign the bible speaks of that brings the earth and it's people back to perfection like it was before Satan manipulated the first couple to sin against God. Satan is in "jail" during this 1000 years, after he gets let out when the 1000 years is over, and he gets to test newly perfected humankind.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

The problem with Bible prophesy is some of the people who believe in it are the people in a position to try and make it happen.

History teaches us Empires fall , usually for the same reasons.

a reply to: DISRAELI

You are getting the League of Nations/United Nations mixed up with America, the UN in itself is a type of eighth king.
The league of Nations had it's death stroke with world war 2, it revived stronger than before as the UN post WW2.

Another thing you are forgetting is the image of world powers are all powers that all relate in some way to the nation of Israel and the Jewish people through history, for example the Balfour Declaration. And American support for the creation of the nation of Israel after the WW2 and it's continued support of it until now. France and Spain have nothing to do with Israel by comparison.

And it comes from a Jewish perspective, look at this Jewish temple coin with Cyrus and Trump both on it, the Medes & Persians and America linked with their leaders


This is a pretty clear correlation to bible prophesy, nobody has to like it, it just is.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
I go by your second posted picture, which identified the Anglo-American power as "the seventh head of the beast" I re-draw your attention to the fact that the head is the feature that suffers a mortal wound.
It looks as though the different theories being promoted are not being properly correlated.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

This Kingdom is lead by Christ, he will rule from heaven, all kingdoms of this earth will have their sovereignty removed, it will be a world government with Jesus as the King. Any who try to stop it will not survive.
It is the 1000 year millennial reign the bible speaks of that brings the earth and it's people back to perfection like it was before Satan manipulated the first couple to sin against God. Satan is in "jail" during this 1000 years, after he gets let out when the 1000 years is over, and he gets to test newly perfected humankind.

OK then. It will be a kingdom controlled from heaven and not controlled from anywhere on this planet? Is that right?
You say it will be a world government with Jesus as King Right? And Jesus will be in heaven, right?

And how will he rule the people. Will it be through themselves, directly so that they will not need any intercession from other leaders, or will will Jesus's governance be carried out by intermediaries who will tell the people of the world exactly what Jesus wants or doesn't want kind of like the old Holy Roman Empire and later Catholic Church had the Pope to worked between Jesus and the people?

a reply to: DISRAELI

Ok you are getting the 2 beasts mixed up, and that is really easy to do because they are very similar in almost every aspect except color

The scarlet-colored beast resembles the seven-headed beast of Revelation chapter 13, which represents the worldwide political system. Both beasts have seven heads, ten horns, and blasphemous names. (Revelation 13:1; 17:3) These similarities are too striking to be a coincidence. The scarlet-colored beast is an image, or likeness, of the worldwide political system.​—Revelation 13:15.

It is the scarlet colored beast that is the League of nations/UN, it gets the death stroke and is revived.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

There will be directions given to all humans about how to proceed, the book of Revelation talks about new scrolls being opened this refers to how humans will need to conduct themselves it will not be subject to interpretation.
In some ways we will have more freedom and in other ways perhaps less, we will have total economic freedom as money will be a non-issue with capitalism and greed gone. As far as moral freedom, it's going to get restricted. If your the type of person that enjoyed the type of environment of Sodom.....I think people can figure it out from here.

The economic model might end up being something like we see in Star Trek less major cites. That is the closest thing I can envision it as, perfect minds creating technologies that help humanity without hurting the environment in any way.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
Ok you are getting the 2 beasts mixed up, and that is really easy to do because they are very similar in almost every aspect except color
The scarlet-colored beast resembles the seven-headed beast of Revelation chapter 13, which represents the worldwide political system. Both beasts have seven heads, ten horns, and blasphemous names. (Revelation 13:1; 17:3) These similarities are too striking to be a coincidence. The scarlet-colored beast is an image, or likeness, of the worldwide political system.​—Revelation 13:15.
It is the scarlet colored beast that is the League of nations/UN, it gets the death stroke and is revived.

No, you are the one who is confusing the two, because the "mortal wound" reference comes in ch13 (v3) and refers to the beast of ch13.
If Anglo-America is the beast of ch13, then Anglo-America suffers the mortal wound.

Isn't it normal to refer to the ch12 animal as "the dragon"? The "two beasts" concept usually refers to the difference between the beast from the sea in v1 and the beast from the land in v11.
I'm not sure that you're quite "on top of" ch13.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Well a woman rides the scarlet beast not the other one, they are different.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

There will be directions given to all humans about how to proceed, the book of Revelation talks about new scrolls being opened this refers to how humans will need to conduct themselves it will not be subject to interpretation.

Excellent. I suppose that this code of conduct will not come from the Bible itself because one thing that the history of Biblical teachings has demonstrated is that the Bible is very open to interpretation what with all the offshoots based on varying interpretations that have sprung up since Martin Luther.

So how are we to know these ''new scrolls'' when they are being opened as you suppose. Might they be a final and indisputable account of Biblical truth or maybe uncovered scrolls hidden from ancient times in caves and such? Or maybe archives tucked away in the basement of the Vatican.

Or maybe all the scientific discoveries on the material nature of our existence. Or maybe one prophet will arise and point us all in the right direction?

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
I do not deny the difference between the animal figure of ch12 and the animal figure of ch13.
The fact remains that the animal figure of ch13 is the one suffering from the mortal wound. Since your source identifies Anglo-America as the animal of ch13, that makes Anglo-America the one with the mortal wound.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

These new "scrolls" don't exist yet, they still need to be written and published.
The author will be Jesus himself.
We have very little idea what will be in them.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
I have been lead to belive America was the new babaylon which has made the merchants of the world rich and is destened to fall with in a hour, which could only happen by a nuclear attack.