Corona Virus Updates Part 3

Pushing the panic button will only cause everyone that gets a tiny sniffle or cough to flood the hospitals and doctors offices. This will result in those who need those services to be very negatively impacted.

That won't be the worry. The issue will be actual cases. A high # of cases (including lower risk) involve needing ICU, especially with help for breathing. The U.S. has a limited # of ICU - and I think 60 to 80% of those beds are regularly in use. That's going to be the problem. If someone has a 102 degree fever and is having a lot of problems breathing, you are not going to convince them to put a hot towel over their head and gut it out, because they are only 47 years old.

That's why containment will be important. The U.S. (and other ill-prepared countries) can't afford to have 30 to 50% of our population coming down with this thing. There are way too many cases that are in serious or critical condition, and it requires a long stay in the hospital.

I'm not worried about the panic - I'm worried about the ability for the U.S. to actually manage this thing.. at all. Panic is never good, I don't think anyone here is advocating people freak out over this. I'm more concerned about the long-term on this thing.

originally posted by: fleabit

originally posted by: billjenkins589
Brazil confirms first case in Latin America…Interesting because of their climate.

Well.. their first cases will be travelers from other countries. That's not surprising. What to watch is if and how it spreads within the country.

Wait somewhere between 3 days and 4 weeks.
We still don't know what the real incubation period for this this might be.

This virus could end up making Social Security solvent over the next ten years.
Sorry old people. ( I am almost one of them)

Three more people have tested positive for coronavirus at the four-star Tenerife hotel placed on lockdown after an Italian doctor staying there was confirmed to have the deadly bug, according to new reports.

The doctor’s wife — along with two other people they had been staying with — also tested positive for COVID-19 at the H10 Costa Adeje Palace hotel on the largest of Spain’s Canary Islands, Metro UK reported.

The patients are part of a group of 10 people who traveled from Italy’s Lombardy region — where authorities are battling the largest outbreak outside Asia.

After the first test came back positive, health authorities ordered that the around 1,000 guests at the hotel be monitored for infection.


Now a hotel on lockdown, went from a cruise ship to hotel.,

Now is not a time to travel..

Three more people test positive for coronavirus at Tenerife hotel

a reply to: TheIrvy2

Are you in Norwich mate? I’m in Suffolk myself, small town called Newmarket.

At first I thought ‘hit here of all places?!” Not going to happen!

Then I thought actually, students come ALL THE TIME from everywhere, and especially China, to visit the hospitals in Cambridge because it’s probably the premier place in the world to do that...

Cambridge is only 14 miles down the race and people in Newmarket, me included, go to Cambridge ALL THE TIME because there’s virtually no shops and not many jobs in Newmarket.

Nowheres sage. Nowhere was safe from flus of distant past and the world was extremely isolated compared to this GLOBAL VILLAGE that we call the 21st century.

a reply to: Bicent

Now *this* is acting more like I expected the early German case to act.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Bicent

Now *this* is acting more like I expected the early German case to act.

Even then, out of the 10 Italians he was traveling with (one being his wife and other two being the other infected couple) he has only infected 3.

He had been in the island since 17th and traveling with that group.

I still see this as indicating a much lower infection rate than what we're seeing inside Italy, Wuhan, and with the German who was here earlier (who was infected by driving a group of Wuhan tourists via bus for a day, if memory serves right).

By the way, the taxi driver that took the Italian couple to the hospital has quarantined himself at home, and the 1,000 tourists at the hotel will remain there for 14 days EVEN if they all test negative.

a reply to: ketsuko
So in Japan they are planning to have a baseball game but will have no spectators present. I assume it will just be televised instead.
Maybe they are testing this concept to see how it works and how the public responds.

If they can get the public to accept this then what if they had the athletes compete with no physical audience.
To create excitement just use pre recorded audience sound.

When the last olympics were held in Rio the U.S. players stayed on a private cruise ship.

originally posted by: liejunkie01

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: ketsuko

What's a good TOP TEN list of supplies to stock up on?

Guns
Ammo
8 addresses of some preppers

Just messin. Not my list, but definitely a popular one.

I know you are just messin, but there are people who think like this.

It is imperative that if you prep, you must prepare for scenarios such as this. I believe that most people who think such as you have described, will have a short life span.

Short term, I don't think this will be much of an issue, but longer term plans should be considered from the beginning.

Longer term, and heaven forbid if there were famine, security could become a real problem. Especially if any gangs form and become organised. Long term, community based groups, sharing responsibilities is probably the safest and most efficient option in terms of defence. If you are a Neanderthal like me though, best option is not to be seen at all, but then if you're like me, you'll probably go extinct.

a reply to: dollukka

Now another suspected case in Iisalmi ... i wonder where next

IltaS anomat

a reply to: Mateo96

I think the R0 has been debated a lot and the rough estimate has been in the roughly 2 to 3 range. It makes sense he would infect his wife. They are closest. Then he would only need to have gotten close enough to have infected one of the other two, and they, being a couple would obviously be set up to pass it to each other.

First US soldier tests positive for deadly coronavirus

Stationed at Camp Carroll, South Korea.

The patient, a 23-year old male, is in self-quarantine at his off-base residence. He visited Camp Walker on Feb. 24 and Camp Carroll from Feb. 21-25. Medical personnel are determining whether any others may have been exposed.

On Tuesday, officials from the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said they are expecting an outbreak in the U.S.

a reply to: St Udio

is it remarkable ?

finance.yahoo.com...


the bio-med company mentioned in the Gates-WHO scheme.... a company named Moderna is up just a mere 22 % today ?!

I think the Curtain is being pulled back to see just Whom the great & powerful OZ really is

What we could really use are some basic guidelines on what to do communicated from the government.
The CDC announcement is a good first step at acknowledging that there is a problem and it is heading our way. It is unavoidable.

What I saw yesterday was very disturbing. I had to take my spouse to the hospital for testing. The place was virtually empty and we were instructed that we were not to go to ER but rather call the ER and ask to speak with the triage nurse if problems worsened.
We are all in agreement that the medical system, especially ER would be overwhelmed and the system could not support a serious illness. But this is not the way to handle this.

I had an appointment that afternoon and when I arrived I discovered the receptionist was gone, the representative was gone leaving only a skeleton staff. Even the skeleton staff were preparing to leave.

People do not know what to do.

I was trying to imagine a city like Chicago, which had a couple of the earliest confirmed cases on lock down. A city with gangs with guns, and lots and lots of guns. Every week there are so many cases of people killing people. Will the military have to go there to try and stop outright anarchy if the coronavirus takes hold? How will they even be able to get people to respect the quarantine.
China, Hong Kong, South Korea do not have armed civilian gangs. Italy also does not have this issue and so we are seeing how their efforts at quarantining towns is working. But in a city like Chicago where there is a large group that do not respect authority how is this going to work???

We can talk about how to implement quarantines and use other countries as a blue print but this will not be effective in cities like this.
These are the individuals who celebrate a sports win by smashing and looting stores. In Japan they discuss and show orderly line ups of people waiting to purchase goods.
That will not happen in Chicago.

a reply to: Thoughtful1

I think they will have to mobilize military/national guard to operate in some places potentially depending on what they decide the best response will be.

There are just some tasks that only the military and national guard will be likely to be trained and organized enough to tackle if it gets too overwhelming: things like keeping basic lines of supply open, bolstering medical infrastructure, keeping basic services functional, keeping the peace and, yes, as grim as it sounds, body disposal.

If this hits as a concentrated wave, even if it doesn't have a super high death rate, there could be a period of some weeks where the normal day to day apparatus that handles those things will need to be bolstered and expanded to take on the temporary load and military is likely to be the only organization capable of it.

a reply to: Thoughtful1

Yeah I wouldn't want to be in any USA city that was quarantined or large town. The rioting would be next level after the cops shoot a few looters.

originally posted by: johnb
a reply to: Thoughtful1

Yeah I wouldn't want to be in any USA city that was quarantined or large town. The rioting would be next level after the cops shoot a few looters.

Back in the day, San Francisco had an ordinance to wear a mask out in public, and they straight up shot people who did not comply.

a reply to: ketsuko

Cant mobilize Active duty, or Reserves without some serious legal twisting occurring, we had to get real creative when I was an FE on AWACS during Katrina response. Schedule a training mission in the area, make certain the planes we were supposed to control didnt arrive then we have an obligation to respond to radio calls for assistance and were able to help link the different radios together so responders could actually communicate with each other.

It will be up to the guard till they figure out how to skirt Posse Comittatus.

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