Islam is NOT from Satan

The aim of this thread is to answer the claims made by some Christians here in another thread that Allah is a ‘deceiver’, and a ‘liar’, dealing with the word used in 8:58, 7:99 And 3:54. The verse we are going to examine is the following:

“And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.” – Quran 3:54

The historical background for the verse is that the Jews ‘planned’ evil in order to get Jesus (peace be upon him) arrested and crucified. And Allah in the verse says as they planned evil, so too Allah planned to thwart their wicked plan. Christian missionaries have an issue with the words used for both the Jews and Allah. They prefer to translate this way:



The above translation does not exist. It is made up. Arabic word(s) makr, Makara can be used negatively and for good. So when the Jews planned to get Jesus arrested and crucified, that was evil, whereas when Allah thwarted their evil plan by saving Jesus, this was good. So, the claim by missionaries that Allah is a deceiver for helping one of the Prophet’s from slaughter at the hands of evil, wicked people, these claims have no bearing on the passage historically.


The picture above also alludes to Allah being Satan, so let's deal with that too by looking what the book of Allah has to say about Satan:

16:98 So when you recite the Qur'an, [first] seek refuge in Allah from Satan, the expelled [from His mercy].

36:60 Did I not enjoin on you, O you children of Adam, that you should not worship SATAN– since, verily, he is your open foe [30]

2:168 O MANKIND! Partake of what is lawful and good on earth, and follow not SATAN's footsteps: for, verily, he is your open foe,

2:208 O you who have attained to faith! Surrender yourselves wholly unto God, [191] and follow not SATAN's footsteps, for, verily, he is your open foe.

2:268 SATAN threatens you with the prospect of poverty and bids you to be niggardly, whereas God promises you His forgiveness and bounty; and God is infinite, all-knowing,

2:275 THOSE who gorge themselves on usury [262] behave but as he might behave whom SATANhas confounded with his touch; for they say, "Buying and selling is but a kind of [263] usury" - the while God has made buying and selling lawful and usury unlawful. Hence, whoever becomes aware of his Sustainer's admonition, [264] and thereupon desists [from usury], may keep his past gains, and it will be for God to judge him; but as for those who return to it -they are destined for the fire, therein to abide.

3:36 But when she had given birth to the child, [24] she said: "O my Sustainer! Behold, I have given birth to a female" - the while God had been fully aware of what she would give birth to, and [fully aware] that no male child [she might have hoped for] could ever have been like this female [25] - "and I have named her Mary. And, verily, I seek Thy protection for her and her offspring against SATAN, the accursed."

3:175 It is but SATANwho instils [into you] fear of his allies: [133] so fear them not, but fear Me, if you are [truly] believers!

4:38 And [God does not love] those who spend their possessions on others [only] to be seen and praised by men, the while they believe neither in God nor in the Last Day; and he who has SATAN for a soul-mate, how evil a soul-mate has he!

4:120 SATAN promises them and arouses desire in them. But Satan does not promise them except delusion.

5:90 O YOU who have attained to faith! Intoxicants, and games of chance, and idolatrous practices, and the divining of the future are but a loathsome evil of SATAN's doing:' [105] shun it, then, so that you might attain to a happy state!

5:91 By means of intoxicants and games of chance SATAN seeks only to sow enmity and hatred among you, and to turn you away from the remembrance of God and from prayer. Will you not, then, desist?

6:43 yet when the misfortune decreed by Us befell them, they did not humble themselves, but rather their hearts grew hard, for SATAN had made all their doings seem goodly to them

7:20 Thereupon SATAN whispered unto the two with a view to making them conscious of their nakedness, of which [hitherto] they had been unaware; [14] and he said: "Your Sustainer has but forbidden you this tree lest you two become .[as] angels, or lest you live forever."

7:22 and thus he led them on with deluding thoughts. But as soon as the two had tasted [the fruit] of the tree, they became conscious of their nakedness; and they began to cover themselves with pieced-together leaves from the garden. And their Sustainer called unto them: "Did I not forbid that tree unto you and tell you, `Verily, SATAN is your open foe'?"

25:29 "Indeed, he led me astray from the remembrance [of God] after it had come unto me!” For [thus it is:] SATAN is ever a betrayer of man.

22:52 Yet whenever We sent forth any apostle or prophet before thee, and he was hoping [that his warnings would be heeded], SATAN would cast an asper­sion on his innermost aims: but God renders null and void whatever aspersion SATAN may cast; and God makes His messages clear in and by themselves [67] for God is all-knowing, wise.

7:27 O children of Adam, let not SATAN tempt you as he removed your parents from Paradise, stripping them of their clothing to show them their private parts. Indeed, he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you do not see them. Indeed, We have made the devils allies to those who do not believe.

7:200 And if it should happen that a prompting from SATAN stirs thee up [to blind anger], [164] seek refuge with God: behold, He is all-hearing, all-knowing. -

7:201 Verily, they who are conscious of God bethink themselves [of Him] whenever any dark suggestion from SATAN touches them [165] - whereupon, lo! they begin to see [things] clearly,

8:11 [Remember how it was] when He caused inner calm to enfold you, [11] as an assurance from Him, and sent down upon you water from the skies, so that He might purify you thereby and free you from SATAN's unclean whisperings [12] and strengthen your hearts and thus make firm your steps


14:22 And when everything will have been decided, SATAN will say: "Behold, God promised you something that was bound to come true! [30] I, too, held out [all manner of] promises to you -but I deceived you. Yet I had no power at all over you: I but called you-and you responded unto me. Hence, blame not me, but blame yourselves. [31] It is not for me to respond to your cries, nor for you to respond to mine: [32] for, behold, I have [always] refused to admit that there was any truth in your erstwhile belief that I had a share in God's divinity." [33] Verily, for all evildoers [34] there is grievous suffering in store.

58:19 SATAN has gained mastery over them, and has caused them to remain oblivious of the remem­brance of God. Such as these are SATAN’s partisans: oh, verily, it is they, the partisans of SATAN, who will truly be the losers!



These are some of the verses that refer to Satan, there are a lot more. Of all the religions on earth, Islam warns us the most of Satan and his works/intentions. So calling Allah, Satan is a very ignorant thing to say imo.


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What do you expect. Two equally ridiculous religions fighting each other over who is the devil. LMFAO!

And Jesus break in like a thief in a night, calling himself Luicfer in a deep dark voice.

What sort of example does this set for the children?

We have to read this stuff to get it

That's the problem, the quran is the thickness of a comic book

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Well, apparently Allah is the actual Arabic word for god, so when they say it, it mean god in English. So when I'm guessing, when a christian says Jesus is the father/god or the son of god, it might as well be calling him the son of Allah.

Also, Allah may have been rain/storm god in a pre-meccanized, dry heap of a desert.

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I will summarize.

What is paradise to the followers of Allah?

Virgins, sex, slaves? Am I close?


Who promises "earthly pleasures, earthly power, and earthly kingdoms"?


I will leave it at that.


www.islamreligion.com...

Allah's paradise is physical and of the flesh.

The only time Yeshua met with Allah, was at the temptation of Christ. Allah wanted Christ dead. He got his dream come true, but it turned into a nightmare, which shows Allahfer doesn't know all of the future.

Hey, nice try though

Jesus (Yeshua) said "no man cometh unto the Father but by me" . Allah is not the Father (Jehova). Allah is however, the deceiver. Go look in the mirror to see one he has deceived

One other thing. There is a way that seems right unto mankind, but in the end, it leads to death

No sir, none of that in the post is true, the reply post...

Allah isn't Arabic

Starters

Quran officials state that none of the words of Moses and none of the words of Jesus are not to be overwritten

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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: IncessantOptimist

I will summarize.

What is paradise to the followers of Allah?

Virgins, sex, slaves? Am I close?


Who promises "earthly pleasures, earthly power, and earthly kingdoms"?


I will leave it at that.


www.islamreligion.com...

Allah's paradise is physical and of the flesh.

Perfectly stated.

Jesus even said there is no difference between a man and a woman in the resurrection, they could not be more different from one another in so many respects.

As for it being of the devil.
Walid Shoebat a former Muslim freed by Christ.



Then there is the confusion in Islam itself, they do not even know that there original Mecca was probably Petra.


As for those arguing that Allah mean's God remember I would ask them the Commandment "Thou shalt have NO OTHER GOD's Before ME".


Let's see what Jesus said about the Afterlife.
Freedom, a new life.
"When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead, they will be like the angels in heaven".

Islamic version of Paradise, think an eternal perdition were lust not love is all that remain's, men with permanent erections - sound's painful - and woman that sound under age.


Islam promises a fleshly carnal paradise, slaves, virgin's to rape and a permanent case of Viagra overdose.

Christianity promises Ascension to a new form like the Angel's, a new life and part of a new perfect world - no slaves and as for sex you are neither given nor taken in marriage so that is gone as well as it is carnal and fleshly the soul find's pleasure in other things such as goodness and doing good in God's presence or just being in God's Jesus - presence since his love is enough, but that does not mean we can't eat and drink and be merry there as that is exactly what Jesus told the good thief on the cross he was going to do so we can probably be Physical if we want over there but why would we want to, this body is dying from the moment it is born, our mind's are tainted by hormones and drives that often have us clashing within between our spirit and our body, we reject this world for our true home is with Christ.

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And the bible is a poorly edited anthology. Speaking as a non Abrahamic.... does size matter does it? If you think so, that explains a lot about these weird monotheistic faiths.

originally posted by: Noinden
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And the bible is a poorly edited anthology. Speaking as a non Abrahamic.... does size matter does it? If you think so, that explains a lot about these weird monotheistic faiths.

For a book written 2000 plus to about 5000 odd years ago, it’s poorly written
Go study Greek and Hebrew and it’s pretty simple

The funny thing about the bible, it’s warts and all, good with bad, but that’s what you don’t like about it, you just want nice happy stories.

It’s a well written book, dated and mistranslated

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You don't read very well Raggy.

Poorly edited. I said nothing about the writting. We don't have the original forms to know.

You also don't know Indo-European myth and lore if you think its happy stories.

a reply to: IncessantOptimist

So when the Jews planned to get Jesus arrested and crucified, that was evil, whereas when Allah thwarted their evil plan by saving Jesus, this was good. So, the claim by missionaries that Allah is a deceiver for helping one of the Prophet’s from slaughter at the hands of evil, wicked people, these claims have no bearing on the passage historically.

I'm not sure why Christians would be debating over verses in the Quran as most of them believe that the whole Quran is fraudulent based on your statement above alone.

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But Scientology promised me 80 Virgins......each with 100 virgin slaves !!!

Plus a choice of Tom Cruise or John Travolta on weekends!

Beat That Mohumid!!

I'm not sure I trust any of the Abrahamic religions.

Two of them in particular appear very much to methods of influencing, infiltrating and controlling cultures and societies to the East and West of them.

Islam is NOT from Satan

No one that knows the history of the Christian and Islamic faiths would say that.
They are 1/2 brothers from Issac and Ishmael , the sons of Father Abraham.
However , with some following the more radical "Hadiths" , one could say that today.
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From my point of view all religions who are based on our teacher (idol) is the only right one, your automatically go to hell for choosing another idol is normally ignorance based, not spiritual awareness based.

The opposite the insanity of Abrahamic religious idol worshiping, is the eastern philosophies that teaches spiritual awareness and how real works only matter to prove oneself (karma) in the end.

Divine (ego symbiotic) beings are amazing. But Paul, Muhammad and Abraham have proven by their fruits that they are not worthy teachers to follow on the path.

Yeshua can be read as a karma Yogi where sheep:s and goats point the path and going thru him is following the path by action not idolizing a name. Rumi is from my point of view a non duallistic teacher who tried to fix Islam towards awareness based spirituality without the idolatry towards Muhammad.

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It actually is since it more or less a technicality. Their word for god, is Allah, so when they say it, an it put in plane english or kjv from Arab, it means god.

no different then Yah Weh or Elohim to that extent or however you want to say it. The arabs or the Quran more or less already have a word for Satan, which is Shaytan, a particular clan of the Djinn an named Iblis, which are supernatural creatures in Islam.

True it does say it, an in their book, it say he wasn't the son of god more or less a son of man/Mary(guarantee you it actually means prophet), and is very iffy about his resurrection, while Adam an Eve showed up at the start Mecca.