Two Mass Shootings in Chicago on 8-4-2019 - Hospital Filled To Capacity.

Tuesday August 6, 2019

This past weekend was filled with gun violence across America. Mass shooting in El Paso, Tx. took 22 lives. Mass shooting in Dayton, OH claimed 9 innocent lives.

Less publicized by the national media were the two mass shootings in Chicago, within hours of each other, early on Sunday morning.

CHICAGO — Back-to-back mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, shocked the country this weekend. While the nation mourned with vigils and commemorative events, gunmen in Chicago were also wreaking havoc on the city.

Dozens of people were shot over the weekend in Chicago, leaving seven people dead and 46 wounded since Friday evening.

The city experienced two mass shootings within a four-hour span early Sunday morning.

Chicago's Mount Sinai Hospital had to stop accepting shooting victims when it reached maximum capacity.

Source #1: chicago.cbslocal.com...

Source #2: www.buzzfeednews.com...

Since most of the shootings in Chicago were with small caliber handguns, the death rate is lower. But the immediate and long-term cost to the insurance system (private and public) for the wounded is staggering. Last year, 2,466 people were shot in Chicago who did NOT die. (2018 Stats: heyjackass.com... ) The average cost of care is $95,000 per victim.

IMO, Guns that can shoot 35 people in less than 30 seconds, as we saw in the Dayton, Ohio massacre this weekend, need to be kept from the general population, just like dynamite and hand grenades are.

-CareWeMust

a reply to: carewemust

Problem is criminals and lunatics will still find a way to get their hands on those kinds of guns. I don't know what the answer is, perhaps yearly intense psychiatric appointment followed by a heavy duty background check along with random drug screenings and medical records vetting before people can purchase guns. 25 year minimum prison sentence for anyone caught with an unlicensed gun and speedy trial and immediate capital punishment for anyone guilty of taking an innocent life could help dissuade any would be murderers.

The vast majority of gun deaths are caused by suicide, next is because of gangs and drugs. If we could somehow fix those two issues we would have a very low murder rate in the u.s.

www.pewresearch.org...

a reply to: conspiracy nut

If someone doesn't care much about their own life, there isn't much that be done in the dissuasion area.

The time will come when the guns that can shoot lots of rounds in a few seconds will be restricted from the public.

If a psycho grabs a shotgun and goes into a mall, he won't be able to kill 50 people. Everyone will run away before he can fire off a lot of shots.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

MOST (not all) Americans don't care much about suicides and drug-murders, because they don't affect their family.

a reply to: carewemust

Apparently the totals from this past weekend were pretty low compared to recent weekends.


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But like the great Neil DeGrasse Tyson says, "Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data."

a reply to: carewemust

Better access for mental health would definitely help suicidal people. We should ask ourselves why is it that in the supposed greatest country on Earth, are people killing themselves at such a high rate?

a reply to: scojak

It was the MASS MURDERS in El Paso and Dayton that prompted CBS-Chicago to put out the Mass Murder incidents in Chicago this past weekend. It makes the world seem even more deadly when the MSM does a pile-on like that.

You see the same effect after a large airliner crashes. For the next week, every plane that has a tire blowout on the runway, or hits bad turbulence will be reported on, usually in tangent with an updated report on the big airliner catastrophe.

MSM = The Enemy of the People.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

USA society values "things" and "beauty". People get depressed if they lose 40% of their income for some reason..thinking that they've lost everything.

Younger people kill themselves, or kill other people, because they place great value on being accepted. When you look at the mass murderers, they're not handsome, and were teased a lot.

I see that effect here on ATS. People get mad or hurt when someone they'll never meet in their life, says something uncomplimentary about them. Americans give other people too much authority/power to control their emotions.

a reply to: carewemust

IMO, Guns that can shoot 35 people in less than 30 seconds, as we saw in the Dayton, Ohio massacre this weekend, need to be kept from the general population, just like dynamite and hand grenades are.

A single 12ga. 00 Buckshot shotgun round contains between (9 to 11) .38 caliber/9mm projectiles in it which have the same velocity and energy as a .38 caliber (9mm) pistol.

Just five shots from a 12ga. shotgun can send (45 to 55) .38 caliber/9mm rounds down-range. A manually operated 'pump' (i.e. non semi-automatic) shotgun can cycle two rounds in less than one second. Many home protection versions of shotguns such as a Mossberg 500 have 10+ round magazines. That's (90 to 110) .38 cal/9mm rounds down-range in 10 seconds or less.

Fired into a high density crowd of people at a distance of 50+ feet (an average distance in an environment like a bar / walmart), a manually operated 12 ga. shotgun could easily kill/injure over 100 people...in less than 10 seconds.

That is 3x as many people in 1/3rd of the time in your example.

Normally I agree with you, but not this time!

Gun regulation is NOT the answer!

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: scojak

It was the MASS MURDERS in El Paso and Dayton that prompted CBS-Chicago to put out the Mass Murder incidents in Chicago this past weekend. It makes the world seem even more deadly when the MSM does a pile-on like that.

You see the same effect after a large airliner crashes. For the next week, every plane that has a tire blowout on the runway, or hits bad turbulence will be reported on, usually in tangent with an updated report on the big airliner catastrophe.

MSM = The Enemy of the People.

Sure, I understand all that.

It's just that your OP seemed to be geared toward why the "mass murders in Chicago" were "Less publicized" since you cited the lower death rate because handguns were used. I was merely supplying supportive reasoning for why it was less publicized.

a reply to: carewemust

Not so long ago , everybody was just a bald headed baby . Allowing any ex-bald headed babies to play with powerful weapons is a bad idea , period .
But isn't that the idea in selling them to the public - so they can 'play guns' ?
What is the likely progression from there ? This .
And when there's babies in charge of the nursery distributing the toys en masse , what is there to expect but more mass shootings ?

The op is correct - if you don't get to play dynamite , it follows that you don't get to play assault rifles either . 5th amendment yada yada , if you tried to fight that civil war these days you'd lose for certain . If you want a revolution , you get the country's military on your side , but shooting at them doesn't achieve that . So you don't need guns for that purpose anymore , and nobody has a need to play with these things either . Some people think that in a meltdown they would need theirs , so can't support a general ban , but fortune favours the prudent - think about it .

This is just how things stand imo , but not expecting much to change as yet . btw This is / isn't meant to count against Trump , but it's apparent that the El Paso event was about Hispanic targets in particular , and now some media may try and pin a genocidal maniacs' actions to Trump's anti immigration rhetoric .

a reply to: FieldMarshalMatt

5th amendment yada yada , if you tried to fight that civil war these days you'd lose for certain .

Not sure how the 5th Amendment fits in there, but the Second Amendment does.

Have the Afghans lost for sure yet? They are still killing our servicemen without the use of aircraft and ships.

a reply to: carewemust

You can make large capacity magazine clips illegal, but criminals looking to do criminal acts won't care about the law, and will use them anyways. That's not opinion, that's fact since we have seen it with these killers.

Said it once I will say it again...

Take away every single gun in America would only result in more creative killing.

Take the example dynamite kills people and is bad...people can't have it.....grenades kill people and are bad....people can't have it..... guns kill people and are bad, we need to take those too.

What is next after guns? Drano and Bleach? The right mixture of many common household items has the possibility of mass causalities if used right.


Drano and Bleach kill people and are bad....following the logic above, in order to buy bleach, you need a background check.


Don't worry about your bleach....as soon as the guns are gone, people will start driving cars into crowds of people...it's already a trend.

Obviously, we need to ban cars as well.

Why are guns different than any other tools used in mass killings. When evil men crash planes into building murdering thousands we did not ban air travel for the innocents. When cars and trucks were used to mow down hundreds of people we did not ban cars or trucks. When evil men use fertilizers and diesel to blow up buildings and kill hundreds we did not ban fertilizers or diesel. The reason why the government did not ban those things is that they are tools needed but not feared by the government. Gun bans are not about the tool themselves, it is about how guns can be used by the oppressed to defend themselves. If the Chinese had the Rights to Arms the Communist may not have survived Tiananmen. If the population of Hong Kong had Arms perhaps the Chinese and their puppet would do more to appease their population. Just a thought!


"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty."
- John Basil Barnhill

a reply to: conspiracy nut

When it comes to suicide we share similar numbers with; Norway, Sweden, Ireland, Portugal, Canada, Iceland, Denmark, and Switzerland. Whereas higher numbers are present in; New Zealand, France, Poland, Finland, Russia, Japan, China, South Korea, and Greenland.

If people want to kill themselves, they clearly don't need a firearm to do so.

a reply to: carewemust

These aren't people having a lovely cup of tea in Chicago.

You also fail to show that those are crime related or gang related homicides.
These happen because these people actively seek to kill each other ; these aren't kids and families enjoying a nice day before school starts again.



What's your point really? Focus on inner city violence and then tackle nonsensical racist maniacs?
People getting shot at 3am and taking themselves to hospitals or shooting out with the cops are on the same plateau as domestic terrorism... I mean mental illness shooting or whatever...?


Letting your kids go to a school event and worry about certain death, or go sell drugs and robbery and get killed by the opposition... The moral compass is in a bad state when justification is resorting to people with life of crime versus the average citizens living their normal day to day lives.


I guess since the flu exists its cool to go kill a couple hundreds per month on top of gang violence...

originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: conspiracy nut



If people want to kill themselves, they clearly don't need a firearm to do so.

Or need someone else to do it for them

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: FieldMarshalMatt

5th amendment yada yada , if you tried to fight that civil war these days you'd lose for certain .

Not sure how the 5th Amendment fits in there, but the Second Amendment does.

Have the Afghans lost for sure yet? They are still killing our servicemen without the use of aircraft and ships.

Correction : Second Amendment

The Afghans aren't fighting a civil war in America : I think we can safely assume that homeland security and domestic government continuity is going to outrank overseas security in the general US defense remit .
There again a scenario like Waco provides an (isolated) counter perspective , where it took days of gunfights and eventually burning the place down to finally get them out . They still lost because the ptb in those departments don't give up . And nowadays they can put down dissent before it even starts to need tanks or helicopter - there is no hope of winning a civil war on a second amendment basis .