Trump condemns white supremacy, racism after shootings

I find it amusing that some people still try to blame him... when this has been a growing issue before Trump and will continue to be an issue after trump... but sure lets blame trump even though just read the breakdown on the Dayton shooter and he is not what I would call a right wing nut.

a reply to: Arnie123

Maybe cut the TDS BS out for once, it gets f# old.

Not nearly as old as that silly tag , people who disagree with Trump do so because that is their opinion of the man and President he is.

"You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time"
Abraham Lincoln.

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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Kudos to you for giving credit where it is due Terry.

But..

With Barr's pushing for backdoors into electronic devices and rhetoric from Trump about the "internet" and "video games..." And the whole "urgent, immediately, NOW!" wording should give everyone pause. Everyone. Of similar note is that Trump has never given me the impression he is a particularly ardent supporter of the 2nd. All those things should probably give him a lot of support from the colloquial "left," since a lot of these talking points are quite similar, but that isnt particularly likely obviously.

I dont disagree with everything in the speech, but..

Ive got a bad feeling about all this..

a reply to: okrian

Just because a few reasonable people in his party thrust a speech upon him doesn't mean anything.

And I think it means everything Okrian. That he is willing, or even pressured by these more reasonable people in his party points to some degree of power within the party to quell his more rambunctious inclinations suggests to me that his willingness to be guided by the more insanely radical of his advisors is, to him, not the sure or best road to 2020 as he once might have believed.

But we will have to see how he drifts in the next few days and weeks.

a reply to: Arnie123

Substance? The substance is that Trump routinely makes a teleprompter speech and then tweets the exact opposite within a day. I would say that for a "world leader" that problem is pretty damn substantive. And spineless to boot.

It's Trump that hates America.

He hates that America is a land of poor immigrants that had to work for what they have.
He hates that America is a government of laws, of checks and balances.
He hates that America is an imperfect nation with a troubled history.
He hates that America honors women as equals as opposed to treating them as arm candy.
He hates that America has a diverse culture that is open to new ideas.
He hates that American business is full of quiet confidence and success and prefers bragging and falsehoods.
He hates that America is full of grace and dignity.
He hates the cohesion of the American family as he has been an abject failure at family.
He hates American compassion and generosity and stole from his own charities.
He hates America by rigging the economy to benefit his family and friends while screwing millions.
He hates America to the point that he takes the desperation and anger of his supporters and turns it into toxic, race-baiting victimhood.

He hates and fuels the hatred daily. And his supporters have embraced it and support it. Also substantive.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I understand what you are getting at. But it's not like we don't have years and years of evidence of how Trump speaks and what he says. I add it all up. I can't see this in a vacuum. The speech is a tiny blip (not written by him in the slightest... except for maybe the part where he got the name of the town wrong) on a toxic and purposefully divisive human that is mostly focused on praise from his base. What riles up his base the most? Divisiveness and hatred. As evidenced by any rally.

originally posted by: Arnie123 an Anti-Trumper, an by extension, Anti-American

you are massively mistaken if you believe these to be mutually inclusive.

I don't expect all muslims to condemn Islamic terrorism; I assume that it is the natural stand point of the great majority. And in the same way I do not expect all white people to condemn white nationalist terrorism; I again assume that it is the natural stand point of the great majority. Except to answer a fervent media, intent on selling ad space, there is no reason for the President to condemn white supremacy (yet again). He should be giving a speech about the dead and provide us a vision forward; but instead we are left talking in circles about irrelevances.

He said the right things at the right time with very little adlib which is a marked improvement from some of his past moments addressing similar events. I will not argue if he is acting or being genuine because the same can be said for all past presidents addressing such issues. What matters is that he acted like how I expect a president to act at this time.

The video game thing, in my opinion, is a calculated effort to scapegoat, but we have seen that done with prior presidents.

a reply to: Serdgiam

As you have never been impressed with his ardent support of the 2nd, I hold that notion about ''all'' of the positions he takes.

See, I take him for a ''wheeler and dealer'' dealing in anything that will get him ahead. If that is schmoozing with Bill and HIll like in the old days, or donating to any cause that might get him recognition and praise then that is what he will do.

I see his entire presidency as being all about him and not the causes he gives mouth to. He found a ready and waiting segment of our society that was hoping for a champion for their cause and he put on that cloak .

It may be that if he begins to sense that his base is weakening that he will back off on what it was that enticed them and look for other was to find other supporters, even if that means the more moderate rinos in the Republican Party.

I have no proof of any of that, just chopping wood at the moment.

a reply to: okrian

Yawn.

Whole lot if motion with no movement.

Must suck to live in your version of reality

Trump calls out the elephant in the room and I dont see the usual suspects on this thread with 20+ stars praising his words and groveling at his winning.

Interesting...

a reply to: okrian

on a toxic and purposefully divisive human that is mostly focused on praise from his base.

Toxic and divisive yes. And indeed focused on praise from his base. In that though is the question of his base. Is his base as secure as he likes to think it is? It may not be. It could be that he is beginning to glimpse that the moderate part of his base is weakening and he wants to gather them back in. And in doing that of course it will piss off his more radical support but it maybe that he is recognizing that by catering to that base alone may not be enough for him in 2020

a reply to: Grimpachi

What matters is that he acted like how I expect a president to act at this time.

Bingo.

Just waiting for Beto & squad to apologize for Antifa violence in 1, 2, 3.....(till hell freezes over)

So it is ok for me to start blaming Obama for any murder committed by blacks? He WAS our president and praised unity and all of the black hate and supremacy groups certainly aligned around him. Difference is he did not denounce any of them.

See how that works?

When I disagreed with Obama I was racist. When I agree with Trump I am a racist.

Whats up America?

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Arnie123

Maybe cut the TDS BS out for once, it gets f# old.

Not nearly as old as that silly tag , people who disagree with Trump do so because that is their opinion of the man and President he is.

"You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time"
Abraham Lincoln.

Most that state opinions often find a middle ground, most of which are level headed and are able to discuss issues with sound merits.

A middle ground is the point with which we can come to an understanding.

You don't know that at all, you're TDS is literally that overwhelming and you should probably stop qouting our Presidents, considering There is no evidence that Lincoln ever said that, be a bit more critical than using Google every single time.

Trump has politely called the actions of white extremists bad many times.

You do realize that by coming out strongly against this group of people he puts his relatives at risk of being targeted by these groups. I would never come right out and condemn these groups, it would be like putting a bulls eye on your back.