Falmouth (MA) Woman Accused Of Assault Over MAGA Hat

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy
It's sad but not surprising to see the left against the 1st Amendment right to free expression.

The woman was expressing herself using her first amendment right was she not?

So it would appear it's the right looking to censor this woman not the left.

Assault is NOT covered under a first amendment protection. Perhaps you do not understand that little difference? Your rights END where my rights begin. Scream and whine about Trump all you want. However, engage in physical assault, then you have lost your right in that moment.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Knocking a hat off is assault now, worthy of police intervention and charges... That's pathetic, the only screaming and whining is coming from people like yourself making a big deal out of this non story.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Krakatoa

Knocking a hat off is assault now, worthy of police intervention and charges... That's pathetic, the only screaming and whining is coming from people like yourself making a big deal out of this non story.

Technically, yes it is and always has been. Physical contact, no matter how little, is assault....that is the law.

Here is what happened (more than just yelling and taking a hat)

Police say Turner was eating dinner at the Casa Vallarta Mexican restaurant with friends when the woman began yelling at him and pulling the hat with the Trump slogan off his head.

“They weren’t really saying anything to her. All of a sudden, she got up and tried taking the hat off,” said bartender Geo Macario.

Macario says he tried calming the woman down, but she kept going.

“She went up to him and went to do it again, kind of hit him, so somebody called the cops,” he said. “They tried escorting her out, (and) when she was walking out she tried going after him again.”

“She’s trying to grab my hat in front of four officers. Not smart. Now she’s getting cuffed,” Turner says in the video.

According to court documents, the woman told officers she was upset Turner was wearing the hat in a Mexican restaurant.

But staff says her behavior was inappropriate.

“You really can’t do stuff like that,” Macario said. “You might have your own ideas, but you can’t touch anyone. Just by that, she’s in the wrong for doing that.”

Woman charged with assaulting man wearing MAGA hat at Falmouth restaurant

I'm sorry you don't like it, but it applies equally. Just keep your hands to yourself, and it becomes a fine day.

a reply to: Krakatoa

So basically she thought it was inappropriate for him to wear that hat in a Mexican restaurant.

originally posted by: AProudLefty
a reply to: Krakatoa

So basically she thought it was inappropriate for him to wear that hat in a Mexican restaurant.

Correct. But, see, she can whine and complain about that all she wants. However. if she makes a disturbance, the restaurant staff can ask her to leave. The bartender (who is of Mexican descent) tried to calm her down....she refused. She took it to the next level and assaulted the restaurant patron that was simply eating his meal peacefully. The police were called to handle the situation. My bets are on the restaurant staff calling them, to avoid a legal issue if they tried to physically restrain her on their own.

It is OK to disagree with someone's politics, however, assault (no matter how little) is wrong regardless of who or what the reason. Had she not assaulted him, and simply calmed down when staff asked her (or left) this would not be a news story.

But no, she decided (drunk or not) to escalate to the physical realm.

a reply to: Krakatoa

So basically it wasn't TDS as you claimed. If she had done the same elsewhere, you would have a point.

originally posted by: AProudLefty
a reply to: Krakatoa

So basically it wasn't TDS as you claimed. If she had done the same elsewhere, you would have a point.

No, TDS was what pushed her to make that leap. She was so upset over a hat, that she (drunk or sober) thought that it was in some way hurting or demeaning the atmosphere of a Mexican restaurant. Heck, the bartender (who is of Mexican descent) even said it was not bothering him. So, why should she even care.....because TDS pushed her into a deranged state to assault someone over a hat.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Whatever keeps you happy and to keep your narrative intact.

originally posted by: AProudLefty
a reply to: Krakatoa

Whatever keeps you happy and to keep your narrative intact.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt too.

a reply to: Krakatoa

You made the claim that it's the result of TDS. It's on you.

originally posted by: AProudLefty
a reply to: Krakatoa

You made the claim that it's the result of TDS. It's on you.

And I explained why. Just because you disagree does not make it untrue, does it? Would you agree it takes someone that is deranged to attack another person over a hat? I feel the same way over attacks done over differing sports teams. People that do that have lost the ability to separate reality from their deranged thoughts.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Like I said, would have she done the same elsewhere while drunk?

originally posted by: AProudLefty
a reply to: Krakatoa

Like I said, would have she done the same elsewhere while drunk?

Why does that even matter? Fact is, it doesn't matter. Physical assault is illegal....regardless of reason or location. And if someone has deranged thoughts over a Trump campaign slogan (and that is what triggers them). then calling it Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is apropos in that case.

It is a perfect description in this case.

a reply to: Krakatoa

It matters because according to you, she would have done the same elsewhere due to TDS.

a reply to: AProudLefty

No, because that would be pure speculation on our part. In this case, right here, it was TDS triggered. Am I saying all anti-Trump people have TDS? No....but, when it goes too far, into illegal activity, then yes, it's TDS if it was triggered by a hat with words upon it.

That is not normal behavior....it is deranged behavior.

originally posted by: jtma508
No. It's not JUST a hat. And if there was a thread of either intellectual honesty or maybe just intellect here you'd acknowledge that. It is a symbol of the misogyny, vitriol, fraud, and polarization that has been promoted by Trump. It's as much a symbol of his values and agenda as the swastika was for the Nazis. So, no. It's certainly NOT just a hat and you all know it. But you lot love to bathe yourself in your victimhood at the hands of the 'violent left'. And no JBurns, since your side seems to spend all day looking for instances of the BAD LEFT being mean to you all, I just wanted to provide a little perspective that there are asshats everywhere irrespective of political leanings.

No it’s not.

Trump has not promoted any of that. He has promoted our immigration laws be followed for the good of American citizens, period.

You are psychotic if you believe it is a symbol of hate in any way. It is a symbol of patriotism. You have plain and simply been brainwashed into beleving total bs.

You nutjobs are transferring your irrational hate of trump into a hat, and the main reason it makes you so angry is deep down you know he is doing a great job and you can’t stand being so wrong about him.

You will never admit it, but you wanted him to be a monster but he isn’t and you cannot deal with he fact you were so wrong about him.

Yes, this qualifies as TDS. What's interesting is that this crazy woman felt that it was her Right or Duty to impose her values onto a Mexican business who seemingly was happy to serve THEIR MAGA hat wearing CUSTOMER. Hopefully this restaurant is doing well here in " racist " America, employing fellow Mexicans, serving delicious Mexican Food ! Her Identity politics didn't even allow her to consider that making a scene and disrupting someone else's business was as unfair to the owners as it was to the guy trying to enjoy his meal while supporting a Mexican business with his patronage.

Just an interesting side note I'll add here, in my line of work , Flower / Landscape Design, I work with a lot of Mexicans. I've been buying flowers for years from this Mexican couple who have owned a wholesale flower warehouse for 25 yrs. They told me when I last saw them during Valentine's week that they were retiring and moving back to Mexico and wanted to know if I had any interest in buying their business. Anyways, when I said something like " what a nice place to retire and I bet they could buy a beautiful home there for less then the USA " The husband told me they already bought a beautiful house there, but that it would not be a good place to retire unless your Mexican and that most Mexicans are pretty hostile to Americans who try and move there. So, that was interesting, huh? This couple are in their early 50's , life in America was Good to them !

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy
It's sad but not surprising to see the left against the 1st Amendment right to free expression.

The woman was expressing herself using her first amendment right was she not?

So it would appear it's the right looking to censor this woman not the left.

So the left see's deny rights as free speech.

Orwellian.

a reply to: Krakatoa

My bets are on the restaurant staff calling them, to avoid a legal issue if they tried to physically restrain her on their own.

Having been a restaurant manager, I agree with you wholeheartedly here. This is a small, family owned chain:

All 4 locations of Casa Vallarta are family owned and operated. We take pride in sharing with you our festive heritage and authentic Mexican styled foods from the port of Puerto Vallarta, Mexico on the Pacific ocean coast. All our dishes are prepared with care and our promise of satisfaction.

About Us

I do not think that the any of the employees or the manager would have hesitated to call law enforcement as soon as the confrontation turned physical. Restaurants do not want any sorts of altercations happening on their premises, not only due to the possibility of liability should injuries ensue, but there is also the very real possibility that they could lose their liquor license. Laws vary from state to state, but if an establishment serves someone to intoxication, they then become liable should that person leave their establishment and injure someone and can face hefty fines as well as possible jail time for the person who served the beverages.

As you and others have mentioned, speak as badly as you wish, but as soon as you lay hands on another, it enters into another realm entirely.

With regards to battery:

In Massachusetts, assault refers to a threat of some type of violence, not the act of physically touching another person. Battery, on the other hand, consists of making actual physical contact with someone else without his or her consent. You can be arrested and charged with assault and battery even if there was no physical harm done to the other person.

An assault is also referred to as an attempted battery. For example, if you try to hit someone, but you do not make contact (i.e. miss), that is an assault. Assault can also be where you make a threatening action towards a person, with the purpose of causing them to be in fear that they are going to be hit. For example, when you raise your fist to a person in a way that makes them think you are going to punch them.

Battery is defined as an intentional, unwanted touching. Most people think it is strictly being punched, kicked, or something like that. However, touching can be considered battery. For instance, if you spit on someone, that will be considered a battery.

How Are Assault and Battery Charges Defined in Massachusetts?

Applicable Massachusetts statutes:

Section 13A. (a) Whoever commits an assault or an assault and battery upon another shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than 21/2 years in a house of correction or by a fine of not more than $1,000.

Section 13A

a reply to: DBCowboy

Harden up already, this is the woosification of society in action and you would attempt to criminalise being a dickhead.