How the Specter of Communism is Ruling Our World

The Epoch Times: How the Specter of Communism is Ruling Our World

The Epoch Times is an independent news source with a strong focus on the China, but also has good solid coverage of world news. Several years ago, they ran a series called "The Nine Commentaries of the Communist Party", which was distinctly geared toward the mainland Chinese Audience.

This new series is notably geared toward western audiences and the impacts of communism in "free" society. I think it is a fantastic read, albeit very long and thorough, but does a great job of systematically explaining the process by which Communism has infiltrated western world and the US in particular.

I will take some time to post a few titdbits. I tried to bold important parts, but there is some much that it is best to just go read and see what a goldmine of information and effort it is. I hope others can help dig through and post useful bits so the West can see that they have in fact been infiltrated and act accordingly.

Ch 17: Globalism: Communism at its Core

While violent communism threatens all mankind, most people in the Western free world neglect the non-violent communist factors developing quietly in their own societies. Besides the infiltration by the Soviet Union, all manner of para-communist ideologies and movements within the West — including outright communists, the Fabian Society, and the Social Democrats, among others — have penetrated government, the business world, and educational and cultural circles.

Many of us grew up with the Soviet Union. I think most of us from that era felt that when the Soviets fell, there was no more threat. Cuba? hah! whatever. Communist China was barely known and people were adamantly against communism/socialism as a whole. We did, in fact neglect the non-violent factors developing in our own society from then on probably thinking that it just wasn't happening.

However it started long before...

(Chapter 5: Infiltrating the West Part 1)

Yuri Bezmenov, a KGB agent who defected to the West, discussed Soviet methods of subversion in his writings and interviews. According to Bezmenov, the James Bond-style spies of popular culture who blow up bridges or sneak around stealing secret documents couldn’t be further from the reality of espionage. Only 10 to 15 percent of the KGB’s personnel and resources were allocated to traditional spy operations, with the rest going to ideological subversion.

In defining ideological subversion, he furthered with:

"What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country."

Referring to such people, Bezmenov said:

"They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern [alluding to Pavlov]. You can not change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior."
Demoralization is a process that is "irreversible". Bezmenov actually thought (back in 1984) that the process of demoralizing America was already completed.

[exnews]
Bezmenov said that subversion comes in four stages: The first step is to foster the cultural decadence and demoralization of the enemy country; the second is to create social chaos; and the third to instigate a crisis that would lead to either civil war, revolution, or invasion from another country, culminating in the fourth and final stage of bringing the country under the control of the Communist Party. This is called normalization.


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Bezmenov, alias Thomas Schumann, listed three fields of subversion: thought, power, and social life. Thought covers religion, education, the media, and culture. Power includes government administration, the legal system, law enforcement, the armed forces, and diplomacy. Social life encompasses families and communities, health, and relations between people of different races and social classes.

As an example, Bezmenov explained how the concept of equality was manipulated to create unrest. Agents would promote the cause of egalitarianism, making people feel discontent with their political and economic circumstances.

The concept of egalitarianism is playing out at a feverish pace lately, but most people just think it is progress.

Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest-ranking intelligence official in communist Romania, defected to the United States in 1978. He further exposed how the former Soviet Union and communist regimes of Eastern Europe adopted strategies of psychological warfare and disinformation against Western countries. According to Pacepa, the purpose of disinformation was to alter people’s frame of reference. With their ideological values manipulated, people would be unable to understand or accept the truth even when presented with direct evidence.

Is this not the case today?

In the 1990s, the U.S. government declassified the “Venona Files” decoded by American intelligence during the 1940s up to the end of World War II. These documents show that at least 300 Soviet spies were working in the U.S. government, including high-ranking officials in the Roosevelt administration who had access to top-secret information.

Other agents used their positions to influence American policymaking and statecraft. Among those found to be Soviet spies were U.S. Treasury official Harry Dexter White, State Department official Alger Hiss, and Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, the couple who were executed by electric chair for transmitting military secrets and atomic technologies to the Soviet Union.

...As high-ranking American officials, some of the Soviet operatives had opportunities to influence important political decisions. Alger Hiss, the Soviet spy in the State Department, played a key role as President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s adviser during the Yalta Conference at the end of World War II. He helped determine postwar territorial arrangements, draft the United Nations Charter, decide prisoner exchanges, and the like.

Harry Dexter White, a trusted aide to Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau Jr., helped create the Bretton Woods international financial agreement and was one of the major personalities behind the establishment of the International Monetary Fundand the World Bank.

It goes on and on. There is just no way to do it proper justice with a few quotes, but it has an unnerving effect when put against today's backdrop of US political and cultural state . I will try to add and follow up. I do have a day job though. Happy reading.

Socialism, Communism and the New World Order go hand in hand. The Globalists love the idea of controlling people to the extent they rely on Government for what they need. Any person who is self-sufficient doesn't need the Government to take care of them or more importantly meddle in their lives.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Socialism, Communism and the New World Order go hand in hand. The Globalists love the idea of controlling people to the extent they rely on Government for what they need. Any person who is self-sufficient doesn't need the Government to take care of them or more importantly meddle in their lives.

Most of the people of Earth are not self-sufficient. I love the government but I hate the clowns in charge (on both sides of the aisle).

a reply to: Metallicus

except for socialism and its next step communism destroys the entire idea of State or Government, so you are wrong and spreading false truths... but you already know that

Ch 5 : Infiltrating the west

Lenin wrote in his book: “The art of politics (and the Communist’s correct understanding of his tasks) consists in correctly gauging the conditions and the moment when the vanguard of the proletariat can successfully assume power, when it is able—during and after the seizure of power—to win adequate support from a sufficiently broad strata of the working class and of the non-proletarian working masses, and when it is able thereafter to maintain, consolidate and extend its rule by educating, training and attracting ever broader masses of the working people.” [5]

Lenin stressed again and again that the communists must hide their real intentions. To seize power, no promise or compromise can be ruled out. In other words, to achieve their goals, they can be unscrupulous. On the road to power, both Russia’s Bolshevik Party and the CCP utilized violence and deception to the utmost.

This is the part people that support socialism forget. Socialism and Communism are never intended to be valid governments, they are power grabs designed to get people to willingly give up their freedoms by promising utopian ideals, using carefully crafted slogans and language, and other trickery.

Bezmenov said the first stage of ideological subversion usually took 15 to 20 years — that is, the time needed for the education of a new generation — the second stage two to five years, and the third stage only three to six months. In a speech he gave in 1984, Bezmenov said the first stage had been accomplished to a greater extent than the Soviet authorities had originally expected.

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Metallicus

except for socialism and its next step communism destroys the entire idea of State or Government, so you are wrong and spreading false truths... but you already know that

It does...

In it's theoretical form.

Capitalism begets Socialism begets Communism... according to Marx.

Then when Communism is complete, the government withers on the vine and goes away, leaving the masses to run and own everything.

Except... that will never ever happen... Marx was an idealist, at best.

SoOo... the tyrannical government leaders, who now have all power over everyone, then steps down and putters around in the garden.

It's the stupidest concept ever.

Which is why it has always failed.

But of course you already knew that...

a reply to: Lumenari

yeah, which is why a "state" or country has never been full "communistic" as it has always been state-socialism with dictators, which has nothing to do with the theory or intent of 'communism'

"Communism" in its theory and intent is the destruction of the State and Government, Socialism was the transitional period between Capitalism and Communism what communist called the "dictatorship of the proletariat" communism is the final step of a stateless, governmentless and moneyless system

I never said it wasn't utopic in theory, I am neither a socialist, communist, or capitalist.. in fact I am against all of them, all economic systems,

just pointing out all the fake Americanised propaganda surrounding "communism" that people continue to spread

Spot on. However, it is important to look at the big picture, and not just part of it:

Why China Loves Trump

From the very beginning, the Communist Party seems to have understood that Trump’s threats were, for the most part, merely for show. By refusing to be rattled, China has enjoyed a series of rhetorical and strategic triumphs that have enhanced its global image and increased its international influence. China also appears to have assessed that Trump, the self-proclaimed master deal maker, would rather have a bad deal than no deal at all, and could be persuaded to compromise on almost anything in order to declare a “win.”

Take the $250 billion in deals announced during Trump’s visit to China in November. Many of the agreements were nonbinding memorandums of understanding, and some had already been negotiated. And while they made a nice headline, they did nothing to address the fundamental problems that U.S. companies face in China: requirements to share technological trade secrets with Chinese partners in exchange for access to Chinese markets; restrictions on entering huge swathes of the economy; industrial policies that explicitly aim to oust foreign firms in fields ranging from information technology to electric vehicles.

Trump’s decision to pull out of the Paris climate agreement further burnished China’s new image as the responsible global power. Chancellor Angela Merkel declared that Germany could no longer rely on its long-standing ally, and when China reiterated its pledge to limit greenhouse-gas emissions, she said, “China has become a more important and strategic partner.” (It’s worth noting that China’s promised carbon-emission target under the Paris Agreement won’t kick in until 2030, and that Beijing has a long history of finding ways to circumvent international promises.) In all these ways, China has positioned itself to be seen as stepping into America’s vacuum. Shen Dingli emphasized this point to me, saying that Trump’s hostility to multilateral institutions such as the WTO and nato has given China “a huge opportunity.”

With Trump in the White House, Xu Guoqi, a professor at the University of Hong Kong, told me, the Chinese are enjoying a “golden field for their propaganda.” At the same time, Trump’s election, and the wave of political disorder it has unleashed within and beyond the United States, has provided ample fodder for China to attack democracy and extol the one-party state. “American power is based on two legs, the hard power and soft power,” Xu explained. “In terms of soft power, Trump really undermined it substantially.” Trump’s election gave the People’s Daily, the Communist Party mouthpiece, the occasion to run a series of commentaries arguing that the “crisis in capitalist societies” was “proof of the truth of Marxism and the superiority of the socialist system.”

Such messages continued to gain force during Trump’s first year in office, boosting not only Beijing’s standing internationally, but the Communist Party’s claim to legitimacy among the Chinese population. Xu describes Trump’s presidency as “a gift for the current regime in China. Because of Trump, Xi Jinping’s Chinese dream”—the resurgence of China’s dominance in world affairs—“could be achievable now.”

So, while we've all been distracted by Russia - as was the plan agreed upon by China and Russia - China has been successfully usurping the West and bending it over like the little bitch we are.

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Trump’s efforts to reverse the ban haven’t gone over well in Washington. Members of Congress as well as defense officials expressed concern about reversing the ban early on, arguing that ZTE’s practices posed a threat to national security. The resistance included the rare pushback from leaders in Trump’s own party.

Following the White House’s new deal with ZTE, a bipartisan group in Congress quickly moved to reverse it. Republican Senate leaders set up a vote to retroactively reimpose financial penalties and uphold the ban on ZTE selling products to the U.S. government. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross and other administration officials lobbied against such a vote.

“Their technology is a national security threat, according to our defense and law enforcement authorities,” New York Sen. Chuck Schumer said of the efforts to block the deal. “Why on earth is the Trump administration considering relaxing penalties on such a bad actor?”

Because Trump is a Shanghai Co-op asset, Schumer, that's why.

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(Cont'd)

FEAR OF CHINA SCUTTLES DEAL THAT DIDN'T INVOLVE CHINA



PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP blocked Broadcom's proposed $105 billion acquisition of fellow wireless chip giant Qualcomm on Monday amidst mounting fears that US could fall behind China on technology innovation.

That’s a little odd, because on its face, the deal itself has nothing to do with China. Broadcom's key units are US-based; the company is headquartered in Singapore, which is generally considered friendly to the US. And in November, Broadcom CEO Hock Tan announced that the company would move its main office back to the US—while standing next to Donald Trump during a press conference at the White House no less.

Yet the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, or CFIUS, tasked with evaluating foreign investments in the US, advised Trump to block the acquisition. In a letter to Broadcom last week, the agency cited concerns that if the deal went through, Huawei and other Chinese telecommunications companies could displace Qualcomm as leaders in developing the forthcoming 5G standard for faster, higher-capacity wireless networks.

The government’s real concern was probably less that Qualcomm would be controlled by a foreign power, but that Qualcomm would be less innovative under Broadcom's control. Patrick Moorhead, an analyst with Moor Insights & Strategy, says Qualcomm is one of the few wireless chip companies that invests for the long term. One of the others, he says, is Huawei. If the Trump administration is worried that the US wireless and semiconductor industries could fall behind China's, then it hardly matters whether Broadcom is a US company or not.

Broadcom is known for buying up companies and holding onto their most profitable units and then selling off the riskier parts. Analyst Ben Thompson points out in a blog post that Qualcomm's most profitable assets are its patents, which it licenses out to other companies, not its more expensive business of designing and selling chips. Slashing Qualcomm's research budget in favor and focusing on its patent business would fit Broadcom's modus operandi.

And it gets worse...

Donald Trump's ties to Russia go back 30 years

What If Trump Has Been a Russian Asset Since 1987?

The media has treated the notion that Russia has personally compromised the president of the United States as something close to a kook theory. A minority of analysts, mostly but not exclusively on the right, have promoted aggressively exculpatory interpretations of the known facts, in which every suspicious piece of evidence turns out to have a surprisingly innocent explanation. And it is possible, though unlikely, that every trail between Trump Tower and the Kremlin extends no farther than its point of current visibility.

What is missing from our imagination is the unlikely but possible outcome on the other end: that this is all much worse than we suspect. After all, treating a small probability as if it were nonexistent is the very error much of the news media made in covering the presidential horse race. And while the body of publicly available information about the Russia scandal is already extensive, the way it has been delivered — scoop after scoop of discrete nuggets of information — has been disorienting and difficult to follow. What would it look like if it were reassembled into a single narrative, one that distinguished between fact and speculation but didn’t myopically focus on the most certain conclusions?

A case like this presents an easy temptation for conspiracy theorists, but we can responsibly speculate as to what lies at the end of this scandal without falling prey to their fallacies. Conspiracy theories tend to attract people far from the corridors of power, and they often hypothesize vast connections within or between governments and especially intelligence agencies. One of the oddities of the Russia scandal is that many of the most exotic and sinister theories have come from people within government and especially within the intelligence field.

It is often said that Donald Trump has had the same nationalistic, zero-sum worldview forever. But that isn’t exactly true. Yes, his racism and mendacity have been evident since his youth, but those who have traced the evolution of his hypernationalism all settle on one year in particular: 1987. Trump “came onto the political stage in 1987 with a full-page ad in the New York Times attacking the Japanese for relying on the United States to defend it militarily,” reported Edward Alden, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. “The president has believed for 30 years that these alliance commitments are a drain on our finite national treasure,” a White House official told the Washington Post columnist Josh Rogin. Tom Wright, another scholar who has delved into Trump’s history, reached the same conclusion. “1987 is Trump’s breakout year. There are only a couple of examples of him commenting on world politics before then.”

During the Soviet era, Russian intelligence cast a wide net to gain leverage over influential figures abroad. (The practice continues to this day.) The Russians would lure or entrap not only prominent politicians and cultural leaders, but also people whom they saw as having the potential for gaining prominence in the future. In 1986, Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin met Trump in New York, flattered him with praise for his building exploits, and invited him to discuss a building in Moscow. Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)

1987: Donald and Ivana Trump visiting Palace Square in Saint Petersburg after their trip to Moscow. Photo: Maxim Blokhin/TASS via Getty Images

So, Trump's first Moscow trip was in 1987, when Russia and Ukraine and the rest of the former-USSR were COMMUNIST and SHARED GOVERNMENT and after the Sino-Soviet split.

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That being said:

(Cont'd)

What Did Ex-Trump Aide Paul Manafort Really Do in Ukraine?

He could attract pro-Western Ukrainians, meanwhile, by broadcasting his support for European Union membership. Some oligarchs behind the party were eager to do business with Europe anyway.

Bill Taylor, who was U.S. ambassador to Ukraine from 2006 to 2009, said Manafort would contact the U.S. embassy and tell them he was urging his client to look West. "[He said] he'd tell Yanukovych, 'You'll do better in Western Ukraine if you orient more toward Europe," recalled Taylor. "'To broaden your base, you should orient toward the EU.'"

For the next eight years, Yanukovych would adjust his positions on NATO and the EU as needed, tacking East or West depending on the electoral winds and his audience.

Sometimes his party's public actions and Yanukovych's private assurances to Western officials were at odds.

"[Yanukovych] was willing to allow all kinds of cooperation with NATO," which the Russians did not like, said Amb. Herbst, "but it's true that [Yanukovych] was organizing rallies against NATO exercises."

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Two Ukrainian officials meddled in the 2016 U.S. presidential election by leaking a secret ledger showing $12.7 million in payments between Ukraine’s ousted pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych and Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, a Ukrainian court said Wednesday.

The Kyiv district court ruled that National Anti-Corruption Bureau Director Artem Sytnyk and legislator Serhiy Leshchenko broke the law by revealing that Manafort’s name and signature appeared on the ledger.

Paul Manafort's work for Ukraine fit neatly with Putin's agenda

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The New York Times reports that the government of Ukraine has put the brakes on its investigation into former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. Manafort allegedly received millions of dollars in cash through an “illegal off-the-books system” used by former President Viktor Yanukovych’s pro-Russian political party. Manafort’s Ukrainian activities were a major factor leading to his resignation from the campaign in 2016. Manafort is currently facing a wide array of federal criminal charges in both D.C. and Virginia.

Yanukovych fled Ukraine amid mass protests in 2014, and the new government has been investigating corruption in his administration, including the links to Manafort. The Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Manafort says he had reached out to special counsel Robert Mueller’s office in January with an offer to cooperate but that the offer is now moot, since his own investigation is on hold.

Ukraine’s decision to halt its Manafort investigation—the cases against Manafort are technically still open, but the government has ordered the prosecutor to refrain from issuing subpoenas or interviewing witnesses—came at a time when the U.S. was finalizing the sale of Javelin antitank missiles to Ukraine. The Ukrainians are surprisingly open about the connection between the decision and the importance of staying on Trump’s good side, with one legislative ally of President Petro Poroshenko telling the Times, “In every possible way, we will avoid irritating the top American officials. We shouldn’t spoil relations with the administration.”

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In a statement, Moreno said the meeting in Quito involved Paul Manafort and representatives of an unidentified Chinese company who proposed to privatize the state-owned National Electric Corp. He said the proposal was rejected because it would have violated Ecuador’s constitution.

Moreno, who didn’t say if any other issues were discussed, broke his silence about the May meeting with Manafort after being criticized by former President Rafael Correa.

“It’s very worrying that there should be a meeting with types like Manafort and that it should be kept hidden from the Ecuadorean people,” Correa said in an interview Saturday with The Associated Press.

Manafort was recently indicted in the U.S. on money laundering charges and other counts tied to his work for Ukraine’s pro-Russian ruling party. According to court documents in the case, Manafort visited Ecuador using a phone registered under a false name and traveled on one of three U.S. passports he possesses before going to Mexico and China weeks later.

The stuff about Trump can be a bit distracting but the point of these posts is to highlight the fact that Ukraine's claims of being a reformed and pro-Western country are largely bull# and Ukraine continues to be an East-aligned tin-pot dictatorship that itself has been involved in Russian aggression in the past (cont'd)

And continues to be aligned with the Chinese-spearheaded Shanghai Cooperation Organization and the Kremlin-led CIS (although it claims to have severed ties as of last year I don't buy it, for reasons listed in the preceding series of posts).

EDIT: Ukraine is one of 9 countries - including Russia - that signed the Commonwealth of Independent States into law and continues to participate. As one would suspect, it was signed in 2011 in Russia, only a year before Ukraine allegedly suspended its participation in the COSECTOR (Collective Security Treaty Organization).

If anyone is not reading the link in the OP, and just talking about their feelings on communism. We are not talking about theoretical communism. If you are still doing that, you have missed the point. Of course it was made to sound Utopian in the first place. It is literally one of the main tactics of implementation. It was NEVER intended to be anything but a way to get people to willingly give up their control to take power. That is why theoretical communism NEVER worked.

Ch 5: Infilitrating the West Part 2

“Why organize?” Some would say that it was to help others, but Alinsky would roar back, “You want to organize for power!” [6]

In the training manual that Alinsky’s followers went by, it said: “We are not virtuous by not wanting power. … We are really cowards for not wanting power”; and “Power is good. … Powerlessness is evil.”

Let's stop there and move on to what is linked in the OP and discuss that and excerpts from that please. Thanks.

originally posted by: Halfswede
If anyone is not reading the link in the OP, and just talking about their feelings on communism. We are not talking about theoretical communism. If you are still doing that, you have missed the point. Of course it was made to sound Utopian in the first place. It is literally one of the main tactics of implementation. It was NEVER intended to be anything but a way to get people to willingly give up their control to take power. That is why theoretical communism NEVER worked.

Actually, it HAS worked - EXACTLY as the global elite intended to benefit them at the expense of the common folk. EVERY SINGLE WORLD LEADER has been influenced in some way or has some form of connection to Beijing, particularly Russia, Ukraine and North Korea. Although it should be noted that Communism is only ONE form of control mechanism employed by authoritarian elites against humanity. No form of state control is off-limits for them when it comes to maintaining their power.

a reply to: IndyFront

Yes, the execution of the plan has worked as is evidenced by what is now and what they intended to do. The flowery utopian nonsense and propaganda, not so much...

To your point
Ch 4: Exporting Revolution

The end of the Cold War was a great relief for many. They thought that socialism, communism, and similar tyrannies had finally come to an end. But this was simply another way for communism to win. The standoff between the United States and the Soviet Union diverted people’s attention away from the Chinese Communist Party and gave it time to carry out more malicious and sneaky schemes.

a reply to: Halfswede

There are so many things to look at down this road some are pushing that it is disgusting. I do feel that the socialist/communist/ or the destroyers of western society are not really after Trump but after you and me.... Trump is just in the way.. Why more can not realize that just goes to show how effective their programs really are.. If HRC had become POTUS it would have been all singing and praise as she and her cabal finished cutting down the tree of liberty IMO..

Ch 17

The American thinker G. Edward Griffin summed up the five goals of the communist global revolution proposed by Stalin in the book Marxism and Ethnicities:

1. Confuse, disorganize, and destroy the forces of capitalism around the world.

2. Bring all nations together into a single world system of economy.

3. Force the advanced countries to pour prolonged financial aid into the underdeveloped countries.

4. Divide the world into regional groups as a transitional stage to total world government. Populations will more readily abandon their national loyalties to a vague regional loyalty than they will for a world authority. Later, the regionals [such as the present NATO, SEATO, and the Organization of American States] can be brought all the way into a single world dictatorship of the proletariat. [4]

^^ Pretty much the entire leftist agenda. Unfortunately Obama drove this train hard. Yesterday's comments from Angela Merkel are pretty telling of how desperate they want this.

And she lamented that the U.S.-led global order “has collapsed into many tiny parts.”

Thank goodness... but clear acknowledgement of the plan. Also, number 4 should include the EU as well.

William Z. Foster, the former national chairman of the American Communist Party, wrote: “A Communist world will be a unified, organized world. The economic system will be one great organization, based upon the principle of planning now dawning in the USSR. The American Soviet government will be an important section in this world government.” [5]

From Marx, Lenin, Stalin, and Foster to the “community of human destiny” proposed by the Chinese Communist Party, we can clearly see that communism is not satisfied with having power in a few countries. The ideology of communism from beginning to end includes the ambition of conquering all mankind.

a reply to: IndyFront

"Communism is only ONE form of control mechanism employed by authoritarian elites against humanity."

this is false though, the entire concept was to destroy 'class' as a concept, so there wouldn't be "elites"

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: IndyFront

"Communism is only ONE form of control mechanism employed by authoritarian elites against humanity."

this is false though, the entire concept was to destroy 'class' as a concept, so there wouldn't be "elites"

You keep citing theoretical communism as opposed to reality. This shows that it has worked on you. Pay attention.

a reply to: Halfswede

and you keep citing false statements and conflating dictators with what communism was intended to be, and confusing state-socialism with communism

if communism isn't how it was created to be, it is not communism, if it still has a state and government, it is not communism, if it has a dictator it is not communism


this shows that americanised red-scare propaganda has worked on you. Pay attention.

a reply to: XAnarchistX

Again, you miss the point. If the propaganda said, " We will get people to give up their power, and we can rule the masses", nobody would bite. It had to sound reasonable. Of course the doctrines were made to sound reasonable.

It is clear that you are one of those that thinks everyone just keeps doing it wrong and it is just misunderstood.

It was NEVER meant to work as proposed. It was meant to get converts and take control. I know you keep saying , "but, but, but it says this and that, not what you are showing me." That is literally part of the tactics they espoused to get buy-in.

I'm not sure what your dog in the fight is in defending communism, but it sounds like you even believe yourself that is is some great uptopia and people just keep doing it wrong...it's just so misunderstood.

The quote from KGB Yuri Bezmenov seems to fit your situation quite well.

"As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore," said Bezmenov. "A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures; even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him [a] concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it, until he [receives] a kick in his fan-bottom. When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand. But not before that. That's the [tragedy] of the situation of demoralization."

You can read the expose, or just keep waving your red flag, but everything they said they were going to do, said they accomplished in spades, and said would happen is being done and yet you still can't see it.

The reality is, communism has killed more than 100 million of its own people. The reality is, every communist regime turned into a dictatorship or group of "elites" that suppressed its people to the extreme. Every single one. That is the reality of communism. They aren't doing it wrong. They did it exactly as they planned.