Japanese Underwater Pyramids: Natural or Manmade?

Originally posted by MbuhirThe only problem is, the only explanation is that the water level was once much lower. Japan didn't break off of Asia, it was formed by volcanic activity and the smashing of two plates. Last time the water would have been low enough would have been somewhere around the ice age (not sure if before, during, or after).

I also remember, from my Asian history class, that the first Chinese emperor (First ever, Qin dynasty) introduced a lot of advanced technology to China. Perhaps something bad happened in the region of Korea and Japan, resulting in the fall of an empire (or the splitting) and the first emporer of China was from that empire.

During the last ice age, around 10,000 years ago, the sea level was much lower because the water was locked up in the polar regions. This is likely when this area was above water.

The first Emperor of China was in during the Qin (Ch'in) Dynasty (221 B.C. - 206 B.C.) www.enchantedlearning.com...

So the time frames don't match, unless the area was sunken due to earthquakes, or geological activity, which is a possibility.

In the articles posted earlier, some speculated that this could be Atalantis or the lost continent of Mu. But accourding to Plato, Atlantis was beyond the pillars of Hercules, which meant the Atlantic Ocean. Mu, on the other hand, was belived to be in the Pacific. Both were fabled to have been covered by a great flood. I have no idea, I will leave it to the experts to determine that.

Originally posted by rwatkins

The first Emperor of China was in during the Qin (Ch'in) Dynasty (221 B.C. - 206 B.C.) www.enchantedlearning.com...

Yeah, I realized that after I posted...
The time frames are way off.

I'm skeptical about accepting Mu, although now it does seem highly possible.

[warning, the following may seem racist, although I am not trying to, it's JUST speculation]

Asians/Orientals have a much different facial structure when compared to Europeans and Africans. Africans are different mostly by color, and sometimes height.
We also know that the Asian civilization has been several years ahead of other civilizations culturally and technologically. If you've ever spent time in Asia, you'd realize that they have a deep respect for each other, something almost completely absent in American and European history. The closest non-asian civilization to acheive this were the Dine (Navajo), who not only are becoming diluted/polluted, but their respect for each other is slowly degenerating (due to western influence ).

So, could it be, that Asians the decscendents of a lost race? Perhaps as the survivors of this city (and others in the west pacific) fled and intermingled with the primitive humans?

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It looks like we'll have to re-write ancient history. Because they seem to be much more developed Mayan pyramids, around 9000 years earlier. The civilization could have been wiped out by the Ice Age, which is probally what happened.

Don't look natural to me, look very man made, as I've never seen steps or fine cut stone like that natural anywhere else on Earth...

the stares seem to be very finely cut however they are sporadically placed and i just can't see the point as to why humans would make it that difficult to climb stairs

Maybe they're not stairs? The pyramids wern't supposed to be climbed, it's just how they turned out after 5000 years erosion/tomb robbing.
Think of the Myan pyramids, they wern't supposed to be climbed anyhere but the steps...

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Maybe the steps have been eroded? Small stairs wouldn't last too long after 10,000+ years of erosion underwater.

Whoever these people were, they sure were fantastic! The sculptures are eerily beautiful and unlike anything I've seen!

This has been a truely awesome thread!

Is there any more on this or related sites? No artifacts? Anything?
I want more

Natural formation. Nothing about it to suggest it is man made other than the formation. No writtings, no entrance, no exit, no picture, etc. Where does the base of the stone end, or does this stone extend beyond the pyramid itself?

It appears that some of the natural features of this underwater structure also naturally appear carved into rocks on the nearby Island, and in the Phoenecian alphabet.

www.altarcheologie.nl.../characters_01.htm

Of all of the pics these three I believe point the most to human hands involved in this because of there circular characteristics. They are much harder to dismiss than the straight-line features of the site. This is so interesting!

Originally posted by jake1997
It appears that some of the natural features of this underwater structure also naturally appear carved into rocks on the nearby Island, and in the Phoenecian alphabet.

www.altarcheologie.nl.../characters_01.htm

That is an excellent site. Check out the other pages on Yonaguni. From the Analysis & Conclusions page, I found a link to a page of several videos that are excellent. I thought these two were the best.

Yonaguni Ruins Part1 Media 723K

Yonaguni Ruins Part2 Media 723K

jake, thats a cool site...thanks for the link...

and hal, very intersting videos, the one i found the most intriguing, was this:
www.wonder-okinawa.jp...

it depicts similarities between yonauni ruins and incan ruins....very interesting.

Oh yes, man made and it ties in with my belief that A WHOLE HUGE CHUNK OF HISTORY IS MISSING. I believe that Hiram, Solomon's great shipping mate was from this area. Making sure that the Bible keeps it's "interesting stories" status, keeps more things buried than anyone would believe in this age of "PROSPERITY NOW" FALSE CHRISTIANITY. Too much has been invested in keeping the lie alive to open up whole new thought streams.

Based on the cut of the stones, The definition of the angels and presision, it is to my eye obviously a "Made" creation, not possible in nature.

Major Weirdness - I did visit the links on the first post, and when I posted my reply to this over 60 Internet Explorer windows popped open -
I do have a popup blocker installed and active. Though I used IE, I normally use Firefox.

Thought everyone should be aware in case it happened to them, it could be tracked back.

well, the main subject, man-made or natural is of course a hot topic for science world, and the age of 10.000 B.C.


some nice fotos, galeries:

www.belgica4race.com...

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www.grahamhancock.com...
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zum vergleich:
´´Terraces and steps: perspectives of the south face of the main monument, Yonaguni.
(Above right & right) Terraces and steps: prehistoric rock-hewn structures at Sacsayhuaman (above) and nearby Qenko (below) in the high Andes mountains of Peru.´´
www.grahamhancock.com...
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Masaaki Kimura is a Japanese marine geologist. He is the doyen of specialists who study undersea ruins. In the interview, Prof. Kimura was asked the following points; whether the ruins were artificial, and in what time period they were built.
"These are ruins, and to me, the fact has already been proved. *
The scientific conclusion is that the ruins are indeed artificial. A school of Japanese marine geologists agreed on this outcome. We found that the ruins are at least 6000 years old. ** It could go back another 4000 years when we consider the length of time before they sank into the water. "
Okinawa was once connected to the Chinese continent. Geologic chronology shows that the area in Yonaguni was already underwater 6000 years ago. Prof. Kimura says that when we try to figure out the time period that the ruins were built in, the estimate comes to about 10,000 years ago.
" I want the Okinawa Prefectural Government to set up an organization so that more specialists have a chance to investigate the ruins. I also want people around the world to see the site. It should not be a difficult task now to maintain its condition as a cultural asset, because access to the site is not easy for everyone. I want the local government to discuss the matter of maintaining the ruins as a world asset."
" Around the ruins, there are places that look like they were towns and farm land. The ruins over look these areas. We believe they might have been a castle or a shrine. Yonaguni Island was mountainous in the past.
The geography of the island matches the environment of the site. There was an organization to the town, and someone was leading it. This might be the birthplace of Asian culture."
The geography at the Machu Picchu ruins in Peru is similar to the one in Yonaguni. The solariums made from stone found at both sites resemble each other.

Dr kimura
The doyen of the group, and in my view the hero of the Yonaguni saga for his determination, persistence and refreshingly open-minded intellectual approach, is Dr Masaaki Kimura, Professor of Marine Geology at the University of the Ryukyus in Okinawa. He and his students have completed hundreds of dives around the main “terrace” monument at Yonaguni as part of a long-term project in which they have thoroughly measured and mapped it, produced a three-dimensional model, taken samples of ancient algae encrusted on its walls for carbon-dating, and sampled the stone of the structure itself. Professor Kimura’s unequivocal conclusion, based on the scientific evidence, is that the monument is man-made and that it was hewn out of the bedrock when it still stood above sea-level -- perhaps as much as 10,000 years ago. The principal arguments that he puts forward in favour of human intervention are on the record and include the following:


1. “Traces of marks that show that human beings worked the stone. There are holes made by wedge-like tools called kusabi in many locations.”

2. “Around the outside of the loop road [a stone-paved pathway connecting principal areas of the main monument] there is a row of neatly-stacked rocks as a stone wall, each rock about twice the size of a person, in a straight line.”
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3. “There are traces carved along the roadway that humans conducted some form of repairs.”

4. “The structure is continuous from under the water to land, and evidence of the use of fire is present.”

5. “Stone tools are among the artefacts found underwater and on land.”

6. “Stone tablets with carving that appears to be letters or symbols, such as what we know as the plus mark ‘+’ and a ‘V’ shape were retrieved from under water.”

7. “From the waters nearby, stone tools have been retrieved. Two are for known purposes that we can recognise, the majority are not.”

8. “At the bottom of the sea, a relief carving of an animal figure was discovered on a huge stone.” (1)

9. On the higher surfaces of the structure there are several areas which slope quite steeply down towards the south. Kimura points out that deep symmetrical trenches appear on the northern elevations of these areas which could not have been formed by any known natural process.

10. A series of steps rises at regular intervals up the south face of the monument from the pathway at its base, 27 metres underwater, towards its summit less than 6 metres below the waves. A similar stairway is found on the monument’s northern face.

11. Blocks that must necessarily have been removed (whether by natural or by human agency) in order to form the monument’s impressive terraces are not found lying in the places where they would have fallen if only gravity and natural forces were operating; instead they seem to have been artificially cleared away to one side and in some cases are absent from the site entirely.

12. The effects of this unnatural and selective clean-up operation are particularly evident on the rock-cut ‘pathway’ [Kimura calls it the ‘loop road’] that winds around the western and southern faces of the base of the monument. It passes directly beneath the main terraces yet is completely clear of the mass of rubble that would have had to be removed (whether by natural or by human agency in order for the terraces to form at all.(2)

you're entire post seems to be based on pseudo claims and based on information taken from a tourism site that you neglected to link to
www.pref.okinawa.jp...
this is not the truth, you can tell this by the way that it describes Graham Hancock as a "Historic mystery writer" rather than a "pseudo historian"
www.antiquityofman.com...
heres a recent news article which quotes Masaaki Kimura directly
www.reuters.com...

TOKYO (Reuters Life!) - A researcher investigating underwater rock formations off the coast of Japan believes they are the remnants of an Asian equivalent of Atlantis -- an ancient civilization swallowed up by the ocean.

Marine geologist Masaaki Kimura says he has identified the ruins of a city off the coast of Yonaguni Island on the southwestern tip of Japan.

He has worked for decades to prove the rocks found by scuba diving tourists in 1985 are from an ancient city, which he says may have sparked the fable of Mu -- a Pacific equivalent of the tale of the lost city of Atlantis.

"Judging by the design and the disposition of the ruins, the city must have looked just like an ancient Roman city," said Kimura, a professor at Ryukyu University and the chairman of the non-profit Marine Science and Culture Heritage Research Association.

"I can envisage a triumphal arch-like statue stood on the left side of the Colosseum and a shrine over the hill," he told Reuters Television.

Some of the initial divers notices the rocks were unnaturally smooth and formed a sort of staircase near the island's shores. Subsequent dives by Kimura revealed irregular rock outcrops over 1 square km (0.4 square mile) and mounds of rubble.

Kimura says he believes the city had a castle, a shrine, an arch, statues and a colosseum.

"In my estimation, the castle was situated right in the middle of the city. And though not as big as the castle, a lot of ruins of shrine-like structures too have been discovered," he said at his research room.

Kimura believes the city was sunk in an earthquake 3,000 years ago.

However, many scientists dispute his claim, saying the ruins can be accounted for by natural phenomena such as tidal and volcanic activity. They also say that very few artifacts such as clay pots or weapons have been found to prove humans lived among the rock formation at all.

Kimura, however, remains convinced.

"I am getting close to a conviction that this is a mysterious civilization lost in a tectonic deformation in the Pacific ocean," he said.

don't you think its odd that webpages that also quote Graham Hancock as an authority claim that he says that it dates from the last ice age and proves that Mu existed yet Prof Kimura himself is saying 3000 years ago and describes Mu as a fable

the ruins themselves are not man made though they may have been adapted by human hands in the same way that ancient sites around the world use the natural geography of the land (ever see a castle built at the bottom of a valley ?). Its no mystery who is responsible as the site characteristically uses the same techniques as the Jomon people who also left similar remains on the island of yonaguni which the remains are next to
en.wikipedia.org...

so what have you really got
no mystery at all unless you're listening to those people who want your money for their explanations

incidentally

The idea of Mu first appeared in the works of the antiquarian Augustus Le Plongeon (1825–1908), a 19th century traveler and writer who conducted his own investigations of the Maya ruins in Yucatán. He announced that he had translated the ancient Mayan writings, which supposedly showed that the Maya of Yucatán were older than the later civilizations of Atlantis and Egypt, and additionally told the story of an even older continent of Mu, which had foundered in a similar fashion to Atlantis, with the survivors founding the Maya civilization.

Le Plongeon actually got the name "Mu" from a mistranslation of what was then called the Troano Codex in 1864, using the de Landa alphabet. Mu was taken to mean Atlantis, which is what Le Plongeon thought; he also thought that Queen Moo was in Central America 30,000 years ago and founded civilizations in Atlantis and Egypt.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

Mu doesn't exist, it started off as a mistranslation
no one had even heard of it until the 1920s when it appeared in a series of fictional novels

This lost continent was later popularised by James Churchward (1851–1936) in a series of books, beginning with Lost Continent of Mu, the Motherland of Man (1926), The Children of Mu (1931), The Lost Continent Mu (1931), and The Sacred Symbols of Mu (1933). Churchward claimed that Mu was the home of the advanced Naacal civilization. The books still have devotees, but they are not considered serious archaeology, and nowadays are found in bookshops classed under 'New Age' or 'Religion and Spirituality'.

and thats all she wrote



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They actually did find inscriptions recently there

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