Jamal Kashoggi was a Propagandist

When it was revealed that the Saudis murdered and dismembered Jamal Khashoggi, the world was rightfully shocked and disgusted by the injustice. But the press saw the murder as an opportunity to play the propagandists of their own profession, and not “the Guardians” of truth they proclaim themselves to be.

Thus, Jamal Khashoggi became one of Time magazine’s Persons of the year, 2018, sharing the honor with other persecuted journalists. He was also the first deceased person to ever win the accolade. His supposed martyrdom for the cause of journalism was immediately apparent as the international outrage, fuelled by the reporting, grew.

But further insights into the life of Khashoggi has since revealed him to be little more than a propagandist.

Buried deep in a Washington Post story on “Khashoggi’s Final Months”, we learn from text messages that some of Khashoggi’s columns were “shaped” by an executive of the Qatar Foundation International, an organization funded by “Saudi Arabia’s regional nemesis, Qatar”. Kashoggi may have been guilty of violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act, the same crimes for which Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort were investigated. The organization funded a researcher who worked for Khashoggi. The executive in question, Maggie Mitchell Salem, reviewed Khashoggi’s columns in advance and possibly helped write some of the drafts.

In early August, Salem prodded Khashoggi to write about Saudi Arabia’s alliances “from DC to Jerusalem to rising right wing parties across Europe...bringing an end to the liberal world order that challenges their abuses at home.”

Khashoggi expressed misgivings about such a strident tone, then asked, “So do you have time to write it?”

“I’ll try,” she replied, although she went on to urge him to “try a draft” himself incorporating sentences that she had sent him by text. A column reflecting their discussion appeared in The Post on Aug. 7. Khashoggi appears to have used some of Salem’s suggestions, though it largely tracks ideas that he expressed in their exchange over the encrypted app WhatsApp.

According to The Post, Khashoggi also “cultivated friendships with people with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood”, and as recent as September 2017 “was pursuing up to $2 million in funding from the Saudi government for a think tank that he proposed to run in Washington”.

The editors at the Washington Post claimed to be unaware of such arraignments. I suppose this explains why they defended Khashoggi (often by referring to their own articles) from a “whisper campaign smearing Khashoggi in defence of Trump”. Their later revelations about Khashoggi’s relationships would confirm that the whispers were in fact mostly true.

After all this, Khashoggi’s murder and the subsequent reporting on it has in effect advanced the interests of Qatar and Turkey by further harming the US-Saudi Arabian alliance.

Sill, through ignorance or blind stupidity, the Washington Post nonetheless passed off foreign propaganda as an authentic Op-Ed column, leading the paper's true believers to become the unwitting dupes of foreign influence campaigns.

So we're claiming the dead journalist was nothing more than a propagandist now?

Like the guy that was tortured and murdered over his reporting, you're saying he was a propagandist?

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The editors at the Washington Post claimed to be unaware of such arraignments. I suppose this explains why they defended Khashoggi (often by referring to their own articles) from a “whisper campaign smearing Khashoggi in defence of Trump”. Their later revelations about Khashoggi’s relationships would confirm that the whispers were in fact mostly true.

ahhh...now...

Why do I get the feeling that this might be what is really behind this thread?

They said something mean about Trump.....so the dead he must have been a propagandist then

Honestly the guy is dead, his death by all accounts was pretty brutal and we are going to slam his lives work as propaganda, nah that doesn't sit well with me.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
So we're claiming the dead journalist was nothing more than a propagandist now?

Like the guy that was tortured and murdered over his reporting, you're saying he was a propagandist?

In short, yes.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

The Sauds killed a Saud, I don't really care, they do it all the time.

Kashoggi knew what he was doing and as long as he was screwing with the Saudi royals he should have stayed far away from them.

Instead he offered himself up right into their hands thinking he could get away with it.

He is a victim of his own hubris, I'd classify this as a suicide.

The press is out of control and for sale to the highest bidder, that's the real issue as far as I'm concerned.

a reply to: abe froman

He is a victim of his own hubris, I'd classify this as a suicide.

You'd class being tortured to death as Suicide?

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

The Sauds killed a Saud, I don't really care, they do it all the time.

Kashoggi knew what he was doing and as long as he was screwing with the Saudi royals he should have stayed far away from them.

Instead he offered himself up right into their hands thinking he could get away with it.

He is a victim of his own hubris, I'd classify this as a suicide.

The press is out of control and for sale to the highest bidder, that's the real issue as far as I'm concerned.

The press lauded him as a hero of journalism, clearly using his murder to advance their own cause. The question becomes, then, is foreign propaganda a form of journalism?

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Yes, he committed suicide...either that or he was high on weed....

It’s not about that. It’s about us doing business with a backwards murderous regime that doesn’t respect human rights or due process. And the rwnj’s of the country would go to war with Iran over them. That’s what amazes me.


a reply to: abe froman

a reply to: abe froman

This sounds remarkably like a condoning of murder. It doesn't matter if 'Saudis killed a Saud", the fact is, a human life was taken and the only reaction seems to be "meh". If we condone this, if we don't protest this, then what right do we have to protest anything? Sincerely curious, not trying to cause problems.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Abject stupidity often equals suicide.

If I am stupid enough to go to the zoo and jump into the pen with the lions, it's suicide.

Even though it was the lions that killed me.

originally posted by: soundguy
It’s not about that. It’s about us doing business with a backwards murderous regime that doesn’t respect human rights or due process. And the rwnj’s of the country would go to war with Iran over them. That’s what amazes me.


a reply to: abe froman

There is a massive geopolitical dispute between Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Just last year, Saudi Arabia issued a blockade on Qatar, because the US, Egypt and Saudi Arabia accused Qatar of sponsoring terrorism. Khashoggi was very critical of the blockade.

It's no strange wonder, then, that the Qatari-owned broadcaster Al Jazeera has given the murder sufficient coverage, suggesting Saudi Arabia might be “too toxic” for foreign investors. It looks like true believers are singing the same tune.

Jamal Khashoggi killing: Is Saudi Arabia too toxic for investors?

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
So we're claiming the dead journalist was nothing more than a propagandist now?

Like the guy that was tortured and murdered over his reporting, you're saying he was a propagandist?

You do realize the man was likely a CIA agent, if not heavily linked to the CIA. Right?

He moved to Langley, Virginia of all places a few months after the Saudi crackdown that led to some his financiers being ousted.

And that he was frequent contributor to The Washington Post. Who owns that? Right. The same billionaire tasked to work closely with the CIA, Jeff Bezos.

So when you see headlines from Wapo like:

The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi 

Perhaps you should use discernment and realize that the people reporting the news would sooner castrate themselves than give a f#ck about telling you the truth.

a reply to: IanForge

The Sauds kill and behead Sauds every single day.

I care even less about this one because the only reason it's being shoved down our throats is propaganda.

Political and journalistic.

So called "journalists" these days are little more than paid shills and actual foreign agents, that use the protections afforded

to real journalists years ago to line their pockets and believe they can act with impunity.

a reply to: abe froman

Abject stupidity often equals suicide.

what....?

Honestly this site is hitting new lows every day.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

I don't care if he was paid by the NSA, grew horns, wore a T-shirt that said "I killed Kennedy" and declared Trump God Herself, still doesn't mean his murder should be ignored with an, "eh, probably deserved it". This what kills me about the conspiracy community in general - we have a tendency to implicitly justify the horrible.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Perhaps you should use discernment and realize that the people reporting the news would sooner castrate themselves than give a f#ck about telling you the truth.

Question:

Does that include include Trumps twitter feed?

Most modern journalists have an agenda...meaning are propagandists. but I still wouldn't wish a death like his on anyone. Imagine if Sean Hannity went to Berkley by himself after running a hit piece on Antifa!

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Exactly.

Like when you quote a post and leave out the relevant part.

To reiterate-

If you are stupid enough to jump in the lion's den it's still suicide even though the lions killed you.

Do you actually have anything to add to this thread or are you just here to insult people and make (not so witty) remarks?

originally posted by: IanForge
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

I don't care if he was paid by the NSA, grew horns, wore a T-shirt that said "I killed Kennedy" and declared Trump God Herself, still doesn't mean his murder should be ignored with an, "eh, probably deserved it". This what kills me about the conspiracy community in general - we have a tendency to implicitly justify the horrible.

The point is, in our defense of human rights, we should be careful not to advance the interests of the very countries that sponsor terrorism while doing so.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Perhaps you should use discernment and realize that the people reporting the news would sooner castrate themselves than give a f#ck about telling you the truth.

Question:

Does that include include Trumps twitter feed?

Yet another irrelevant off-topic post. (also political trolling and baiting).

Go away troll.