Russia Ukraine Conflict thread. Russian navy opens fire on Ukrainian vessels. US to Respond......

a reply to: RussianTroll

Or maybe pay people to work.....

And I highly doubt they still have a mass of people working for free.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: RussianTroll

Or maybe pay people to work.....

And I highly doubt they still have a mass of people working for free.

Think again. The "Corrective Labor Colony" Is the most common type of incarceration facility in Russia. They numbered 760 installations in the year 2004.

Is more than 500,000 people a "mass of people" to you?

a reply to: 3n19m470

The "Corrective Labor Colony" Is the most common type of incarceration facility in Russia. They numbered 760 installations in the year 2004.

At least they try to re-educate them. How many jails in the US. Is it still 5% of the population?

People in glass houses and all that.

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originally posted by: tadaman
Seems like a ploy. 2 small riverboats and a tugboat were belligerent with maneuvers and not responding to legitimate harbor patrol directions. Radio silent...

Then this martial law farce by the Ukranian president that is not meant to do a damn thing. Admittedly by himself at that. It's all meat for the table at the UN.

In response to the incident, Ukraine's president Petro Poroshenko summoned an emergency session of his military cabinet and announced that he would propose introducing martial law. Speaking after the session, Poroshenko said he would request Ukraine’s parliament vote on the measure on Monday. However, he noted that martial law would not mean a full-scale mobilization of Ukraine’s armed forces or that it would conduct offensive operations.[color]

abcnews.go.com...

I wouldn't call these vessels "small" by any means. Sure they aren't aircraft carrier, battleships or even destroyers but these are pretty darn big for "river boats" if you ask me.

That is a man standing behind the bridge to give some perspective. Unless that is a child or midget (even still), that is a sizeable vessel.

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originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: RussianTroll

Or maybe pay people to work.....

And I highly doubt they still have a mass of people working for free.

Feeding prisoners guaranteed)))

originally posted by: 3n19m470

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: RussianTroll

Or maybe pay people to work.....

And I highly doubt they still have a mass of people working for free.

Think again. The "Corrective Labor Colony" Is the most common type of incarceration facility in Russia. They numbered 760 installations in the year 2004.

Is more than 500,000 people a "mass of people" to you?

You're right. This is far from paying an American prisoner at $ 1 per hour to extinguish Californian fires)))

Ukraine provoked first.

Seems to me Russia wants the things settled down now. Hope Ukrainians will have enough sane reason not to push too far. They will receive back their useless boats after some time.

Ukraine is not in NATO, that means, NATO won't risk nuclear war with Russia for THAT.

Or...may be that all is just on the surface? May be THAT IS the start of WW3?

I cant believe the Russians were crazy enough to ram into a ship. And blocking passage to Ukrainian ports puts the Russians in the wrong on this. Two major Ukrainian ports are being blocked by Russias actions. Heres a video of them attacking Ukraine.

Why is this happening right now?

Very simple, presidential elections in march, in the Ukraine. And it is not looking good for the corrupt chocolate and weapons prince and his fascist and corrupt oligarch friends. Via declaring martial law the elections could be postponed.

In Ukraine, the president is newly elected in March. With the imposition of martial law, the elections could be postponed because, among other things, the right of assembly in the election campaign would not be guaranteed and curfews could exist. The Ukrainian parliament wanted to decide on this at a special session on Monday afternoon.

Link (german)

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
Why is this happening right now?

Very simple, presidential elections in march, in the Ukraine. And it is not looking good for the corrupt chocolate and weapons prince and his fascist and corrupt oligarch friends. Via declaring martial law the elections could be postponed.

In Ukraine, the president is newly elected in March. With the imposition of martial law, the elections could be postponed because, among other things, the right of assembly in the election campaign would not be guaranteed and curfews could exist. The Ukrainian parliament wanted to decide on this at a special session on Monday afternoon.

Link (german)

Wrong this conflict was caused by the Russians. They could have easily allowed them to sail to their ports like they had in the past. It was Russia that decided to change the rules and block Ukraine access to its own ports.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Fair enough, I wasn't saying they are tiny. I was implying that these are patrol boats and not heavy gunships of huge value.

Wow, this place is full of right wing Putin butt lickers. Sad. a reply to: TheJesuit

a reply to: soundguy

You have to redouble your efforts at promoting your preferred brand of propaganda.

Other than that, we don't accept enemies being handed out by war hawks.

Russia isn't attacking us or NATO members. Let that part of the world to police themselves.

Also, Ukraine should have followed the directions of the harbor authority.

Announcing maneuvers is one thing and being then granted permission to bring armed warships into another's territorial waters is another.

End of the day, its Russian waters. Ukraine needs to follow the rules like everyone else. This is an obvious ploy by them to escalate tensions and get other countries involved militarily.

Chihuahua provoking the Bear, then screaming "Lion, oh Lion, heeeeeeeeeeelp, i was ATTACKED!!!!111oneone"? while planning in advance the endless rule of Chihuahuan overlord, because who needs elections when you can have martial law? WTF is this, a late April Fools joke?

looks like there are 3 steps between reasonable people and bottomless pit of stupidity:
- retarded
- f...ing retarded
- Ukrainian leadership

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: soundguy

You have to redouble your efforts at promoting your preferred brand of propaganda.

Other than that, we don't accept enemies being handed out by war hawks.

Russia isn't attacking us or NATO members. Let that part of the world to police themselves.

Also, Ukraine should have followed the directions of the harbor authority.

Announcing maneuvers is one thing and being then granted permission to bring armed warships into another's territorial waters is another.

End of the day, its Russian waters. Ukraine needs to follow the rules like everyone else. This is an obvious ploy by them to escalate tensions and get other countries involved militarily.

Ukrainian warships in Russian waters? The same waters where in 2003 there was a treaty which gave them joint control of the sea of asov? Near crimea where there was an illegal invasion with a questionable referendum?

17 Russian jets didn't do much against a T45 destroyer mind,which was 30miles of crimea, saying that the last pilot was allegedly quoted as saying "Good luck guys".

originally posted by: Therewearethen

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: soundguy

You have to redouble your efforts at promoting your preferred brand of propaganda.

Other than that, we don't accept enemies being handed out by war hawks.

Russia isn't attacking us or NATO members. Let that part of the world to police themselves.

Also, Ukraine should have followed the directions of the harbor authority.

Announcing maneuvers is one thing and being then granted permission to bring armed warships into another's territorial waters is another.

End of the day, its Russian waters. Ukraine needs to follow the rules like everyone else. This is an obvious ploy by them to escalate tensions and get other countries involved militarily.

Ukrainian warships in Russian waters? The same waters where in 2003 there was a treaty which gave them joint control of the sea of asov? Near crimea where there was an illegal invasion with a questionable referendum?

Is be confusink trollskis!

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Therewearethen

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: soundguy

You have to redouble your efforts at promoting your preferred brand of propaganda.

Other than that, we don't accept enemies being handed out by war hawks.

Russia isn't attacking us or NATO members. Let that part of the world to police themselves.

Also, Ukraine should have followed the directions of the harbor authority.

Announcing maneuvers is one thing and being then granted permission to bring armed warships into another's territorial waters is another.

End of the day, its Russian waters. Ukraine needs to follow the rules like everyone else. This is an obvious ploy by them to escalate tensions and get other countries involved militarily.

Ukrainian warships in Russian waters? The same waters where in 2003 there was a treaty which gave them joint control of the sea of asov? Near crimea where there was an illegal invasion with a questionable referendum?

Is be confusing trollskis!

That made me spit my drink out hats off to you sir.

it's only a matter of time before russia takes more land, until eventually the whole country is absorbed. this is playing out just like when Germany annexed Czechoslovakia, one push at a time, using the ethnic german population as an excuse, exactly the same. history is repeating and no one seems to notice, that will only end badly at some point and the west will be unprepared once again.

Here's an intresting read from a journalist in country...

According to Sokhar, the Russians have long and carefully prepared for the Kerch Strait incident.

www.unian.info...

Chief editor of the Ukrainian news outlet Obozrevatel, Orest Sokhar, has said the main reason for the introduction of martial law in Ukraine may be to enable NATO to intervene in the conflict, thus the events in the Kerch Strait will have a completely different geopolitical significance

At the same time, he recalled that Russians have been actively amassing heavy weapons near the contact line over the last two months, as well as reinforced military personnel in Crimea. During the last week, Russian TV channels were actively talking about the "greatness of the Russian fleet."

Any questions??

originally posted by: namehere
it's only a matter of time before russia takes more land, until eventually the whole country is absorbed

Why would Russia want all of Ukraine? The country is a third world basket case half of which are Nazis. You are probably correct in that Russia will at some point take control of the eastern half of the country, but it will never want the western part which will always be to much trouble to rule indeed there would probably be a constant low level war against Russia if it took that part. It might want the whole country onside but make believe independent still a pretend country as it was before the Orange Revolution taking orders from Moscow. The answer probably lies in New Russia which incorporates the eastern part, Russian speaking and the technical industrial heartland of what is at present Ukraine.