New dwarf planets & Planet IX Unknown Variable in CETI may explain UFO with other Orbital Planes

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Along the last 10 years we have seen gradually unfolding more interesting evidence that suggest our solar system is not a look like ring or disk of planets orbiting around a star, as it was believed for centuries but possibly something similar to a cloud of electrons around a nucleus of an atom, new celestial bodies, even with their own moons have been found spinning and orbiting around the sun, but not in the same plane of the other known planets.

New dwarf planets have been discovered in orbits that are not coplanar with the orbits of the known planets,and scientists are convinced there is something larger beyond them, a so called planet IX, but alternatively it can be claimed that something else may be orbiting in the other way around closer to the sun on the same new orbital planes.

This open the possibility that large worlds orbiting closer around to our Star may also exist, remaining undetected, were Never found before by classical astronomy looking exhaustively and almost exclusively on the ecliptic plane, that was the one scientists know certainly has already multiple planets.

These new discoveries that are reshaping our understanding of the solar system seem to be an unknown variable not considered in 1971 by CETI, Communication With Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CETI), a conference held at the Byurakan Astrophysical Observatory, Yerevan, USSR, 5-11 September, 1971 where Scientists of many countries evaluated all the variables that determine a possible communication with extraterrestrial intelligences. The principal product of that conference is a well known equation that model such an event and that was extensively published by Carl Sagan written report of it.

Universities and Astronomy research institutes are confirming through computational data that under considerations of alteration of orbits of other planets, planetoid or asteroids it is felt a gravitational pull that only a planet as large as ten times the earth orbiting beyond Neptune can cause.

And his is not a lone voice. Alan Stern, a planetary astronomer at the Southwestern Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado, has been saying for years that there could be another large planet out there. Just how large became clear last month when Mario Melita from Queen Mary, University of London, and Adrian Brunini from the University of La Plata, Argentina, published a paper on the very same anomaly (Icarus, vol 160, p 32). They used computer models of the orbits of nearby objects to pin down the kind of celestial object that could carve out the Kuiper Cliff and concluded that a planet about the mass of Mars or Earth would provide “a remarkable match” with the observations.

Please check:
www.newscientist.com...

The interesting point is that if planet IX exists, it would not be the only body orbiting in a different plane that the ecliptic, as a matter of fact we have already discovered other objects on alternative orbital planes around the sun.

Pluto that is now considered as a dwarf planet do so. Also it was the dwarf planet Eris, that has one moon Dysnomia, that is rather larger than Pluto and about three times farther away from the Sun. Eris was first spotted in 2005, and after other dwarf planets have been discovered orbiting in elliptical orbits not coplanar with the ecliptic, as Sedna, 2012 VP113 and the Goblin observed first time in 2015.

Goblin is the third minor planet to have been found in the outer solar system, following the discoveries of Sedna and, recently, another object called 2012 VP113. And this region, which once appeared to be cold, dark and empty now appears to be a rich collection of exotic and extreme objects.

Please check:
www.theguardian.com...

Only two known solar system bodies have more-distant perihelia than The Goblin does (2012 VP113 and Sedna), and only one (2014 FE72) has a greater aphelion distance. (For perspective: Pluto never gets closer to the sun than 29.7 AU, or farther away than 49.3 AU.)

Please check:
New Dwarf planet The Goblin may lead us to mysterious Giant planet IX

MORE The mythical "Planet X" may actually be real, and scientists are calling it "Planet Nine." Astronomers have found evidence for a planet 10 times more massive than Earth in the far outer solar system, orbiting about 20 times farther from the sun than distant Neptune does. "This would be a real ninth planet," one of the researchers, Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in Pasadena, said in a statement. "There have only been two true planets discovered since ancient times, and this would be a third. It's a pretty substantial chunk of our solar system that's still out there to be found, which is pretty exciting." [Evidence Mounts for Existence of 'Planet X' (Video)] Advertisement This potential "Planet Nine" has not yet been observed. But Brown and his colleague, Konstantin Batygin, also of Caltech, are inferring its likely existence based on modeling work and the weird orbits of a number of small objects in the faraway Kuiper Belt, which lies beyond Neptune.

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www.space.com...

An unknown world might lurk in the distant reaches of our solar system beyond the orbit of Pluto, according to a new computer model. The hidden world — thought to be much bigger than Pluto based on the model — could explain unusual features of the Kuiper Belt, a region of space beyond Neptune littered with icy and rocky bodies. Its existence would satisfy the long-held hopes and hypotheses for a "Planet X" envisioned by scientists and sci-fi buffs alike.

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www.nbcnews.com...

If that IX planet is finally found and observed using any kind of instruments should open the door to an entire new understanding of our solar system, having new no coplanar planets with the known ones may debunk the principal criticizing from the scientific community to the UFO phenomena supporters and researchers that there is no way to achieve interstellar trips to explain those sightings as a visitation of aliens civilizations.

Astronomers from the Australian National University are investigating four unknown objects, each of which could be a candidate for a new, as yet unknown planet in our own solar system.

Please check:
www.independent.co.uk...

The thread is open to discuss the implications of the discovery of other planes of orbits of actual planets around our sun for the considerations of existence of intelligent life in the outer space.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

Why would an extra planet in our solar system lead to evidence of aliens? This new planet will just be huge chunk of dead rock and ice has it's orbit is so far out from the sun. I like many wait for the discovery of a planet that will support intelligent life but I don't think this planet has any chance at being a good candidate.

Another recent link for your thread:


www.livescience.com...

a reply to: Kurokage

Is not the planet itself, but the recent finding of the existence of other planes of orbits different than the ecliptic around the sun what is important.

If the ecliptic has a lot of coplanar objects moving around the sun, some of them close to it and some not, in a similar way it may occur with any of the new planes that are being found, why necessarily there must be a single lonely object orbiting separated of any other ones?

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: Kurokage

A typical question that emerge when we begin to study planets in our solar system is why all of them but the dwarf pluto orbite in the same plane?

The classical answer given by Astronomers is :

Orbits of the planets are coplanar because during the Solar System's formation, the planets formed out of a disk of dust which surrounded the Sun. Because that disk of dust was a disk, all in a plane, all of the planets formed in a plane as well. Rings and disks are common in astronomy.

When there is a planet using another plane of orbit it may exist another ring too that explains its existence, as well as, a possible disk on the past extending large distances toward the sun.

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Why do all planets orbit in the ecliptic?
Thanks

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: Kurokage
Why would an extra planet lead to evidence of aliens? This new planet will just be huge chunk of dead rock and ice as it's orbit is so far out from the sun.

Oh...well since you said it, it must be true! Could you please provide your credentials to make such a statement please?

I'm not saying that it's a foregone conclusion that aliens could be on that "rock"....but I'm at least open to the possibility they could be.

a reply to: The angel of light

f that IX planet is finally found and observed using any kind of instruments should open the door to an entire new understanding of our solar system, having new no coplanar planets with the known ones may debunk the principal criticizing from the scientific community to the UFO phenomena supporters and researchers that there is no way to achieve interstellar trips to explain those sightings as a visitation of aliens civilizations.

Would you mind translating that so that it makes some kind of sense?

originally posted by: Kurokage
Why would an extra planet in our solar system lead to evidence of aliens? This new planet will just be huge chunk of dead rock and ice as it's orbit is so far out from the sun. I like many wait for the discovery of a planet that will support intelligent life but I don't think this planet is a good candidate.

Now hear me out. But what if and this is a big what if. What if all the poop that humans have expelled throughout our existence was somehow launched into space and all gathered at one point to form a giant “poop planet”. Now can you call it a dead rock???

To the OP and your comment do you believe it could be the suns sister star? Giving off little to no light but has a massive gravitational pull.

a reply to: The angel of light



yeah... no

a reply to: MrBuddy

It's at least 65 astronomical units (AU) from the sun? How could that harbour and sustain intelligent life?

a reply to: oldcarpy

I have already explained the point behind these new discoveries in my second post, where there is an exception to the rule it may be another alternative path not just only for one planet orbiting but an entire group of them doing so in that alternative plane.

You are not seeing the point, It is not the icy giant rock in the distance what makes this important is the probability of existence of closer objects to the sun orbiting on that same alternative plane never explored before by Astronomy.

The earth, mercury and Neptune have exactly the same plane of their orbits with respect to the sun, and they are located at extremely different distances of it, so where there is one it may be more and the remaining ones can be closer to the sun.

Any of the new dwarf planets discovered in the last years may suggest planes that have closer bodies to the sun that we don't know since they are not in the ecliptic where we expect to find them.

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: Kurokage



I do not know the answer to that, but just because I don't doesn't mean there isn't one. Perhaps they live deep inside the planet. Perhaps they evolved to be able to withstand the cold temps and harsh environment. Perhaps it's just a base.

You're making an assumption based on how species on Earth live and survive and applying that to the Universe. Maybe not all species in outer space need sunlight to survive. Perhaps such a species thrives in a vacuum. Perhaps many things, but if you close your mind to all things...you have no right to claim anything eh?

There are species of animals that live on the bottom of the ocean over a mile deep. They evolved to withstand the high pressure/low light realm. It's not such a stretch that other species can adapt to similar harsh environments.

a reply to: The angel of light

Wait. You think that somehow we just happened to miss a planet or 12 within our inner solar system because they’re on a different orbital plane?

I guess they’re all in sync so they just happen to be hiding behind something too?

a reply to: The angel of light


"Never explored before by Astronomy". You sure about that?

originally posted by: Kurokage
Why would an extra planet in our solar system lead to evidence of aliens? This new planet will just be huge chunk of dead rock and ice has it's orbit is so far out from the sun. I like many wait for the discovery of a planet that will support intelligent life but I don't think this planet has any chance at being a good candidate.

It cannot be ruled out, and same for the slightest possibility of life. We have learned too much to be caught up in outdated science such as habitable zones.

There are many other factors. The planet itself would not likely be ideal for life as we know it but if it's a geologically active planet it is possible. Then factor in a potential moon or moons and the possibilities quickly multiply.

Unlikely? Yeah. Impossible? No. We have so much to learn and discover. Our solar system is probably full of simple life forms in multiple places.

a reply to: Illumimasontruth

Our solar system is probably full of simple life forms in multiple places.

A bit like the internet, then?

a reply to: MrBuddy


There's a lot of perhaps and wishful thinking in your statement, all we can go on so far is the life we do know about that exists here, if there was evidence of intelligent life on this other planet which never gets close to our sun don't you think that our solar system would be full of intelligent life? we still my find some form of life in our solar system especially the moons of Saturn but intelligent life if its found will be outside our solar system in my opinion.

a reply to: Illumimasontruth

Our solar system is probably full of simple life forms in multiple places.

yes but the Op was mentioning the UFO phenomena.

Flying craft traveling here from another planet isn't done by single celled life forms or basic life.

a reply to: Illumimasontruth

Our solar system is probably full of simple life forms in multiple places.

I agree, it could be but there's a big step to say intelligent life.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Illumimasontruth

Our solar system is probably full of simple life forms in multiple places.

I agree, it could be but there's a big step to say intelligent life.

Yeah, that is a giant leap.

The dark fringes would be a great hiding spot for an advanced species though. Probably shouldn't completely rule out the slightest of possibilities just yet. At least don't ruin all the fun for the few of us who entertain the thought.