Lunar landing hoax, facts that prove we haven't left the earths atmosphere.

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: maxzen2004

On ATS for a decade and only now you believe we never made it to the moon? What took you so long.

Basically the notion that man never landed on the moon has been a conspiracy theory since the 70s when they made that Capricorn One movie.

Were thousands of people sworn to secrecy? Since that time, most of those people have gotten old and near natural death so where are the oldsters coming forth with proclamations in this day and age of disclosing government cover ups.

Faking a moon landing is one thing but covering it up for 50 years is even harder to believe.

Why is that?

Literally everything on and about this planet is a coverup.

Truly stunning how feeble the imaginations of the sheep are.

And how easy it is to run any kind of program on them.

It's quite ironic that posters who go on about "sheep" are often the most credulous and gullible people going, who will believe any old crap they see on YouTube.

a reply to: ZIPMATT

All YOUR DUMB questions and assumptions have been answered on this 672 page thread linked below.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: wmd_2008


I fear that you have only opened up a can of worms by linking to that thread. Expect more dumb questions and assumptions.

originally posted by: Bhadhidar
a reply to: ParasuvO

When we went before, it was to prove that we Could do it.

Before we go again, we have to prove that we Should do it.

Other than He3 (Helium 3), a rare isotope on Earth useful to fuel fusion reactors (which are still in the development stage and not yet commercially viable), there is really nothing the Moon can provide, at this time, that would not require a very significant financial investment well beyond the cost of the return trip.

Your right as much as i like the idea of returning to the moon there is nothing to be gained by it. There is nothing we can gain from a revisit except a very large bill. I can somewhat see why going to mars its a national pride thing. But even that will have some scientific value the moon has none.

a reply to: wmd_2008

a reply to: ZIPMATT All YOUR DUMB questions and assumptions have been answered on this 672 page thread linked below. www.abovetopsecret.com...

Where are your manners sir? Can you not answer the question over the magnetosphere's necessity for adequate human electric systems function yourself ?

Perhaps not , as a certain degree of frustration appears in your language . Unable to deny you have been somewhat angered , throwing insults , and now attempt to bargain , bringing an unacceptable offering .

Don't worry , you only have depression to go before acceptance .

a reply to: ZIPMATT


You have asserted that a magnetosphere is essential to support human life and that without one, eg. in space or on the Moon, astronauts will die.

Before anyone can answer any questions about this, and seeing as how there is no evidence either from you or anywhere else to suggest that this assertion is correct, perhaps you would be good enough to back up this assertion with some evidence, if you can?

originally posted by: ZIPMATT
. They say , "oh but there's footprints you can see through telescopes , but what they do with the FRICKIN CAR they driving round up there ? Hook it back on and redock with the orbiter and bring it back ? LOL
Noooo , we don't think so , at all.

Surely you are now trolling just for your own entertainment, if you planned that mission would you consider bringing back extra weight

And as for the lander meeting the orbiter these astronauts are also pilots I think they know how to Dock with something whether on earth or space.

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: lunarcartographer
If you believe that NASA did not go to the Moon during the Apollo Missions, then explain the satellite imagery from other countries showing the landing sites?

As a disclosure I was involved in various calculations and mapping those sites. I know we went to the Moon and other countries confirm that.

This again ?

Literally the most unclear and incredibly fake looking pics anyone could come up with...

To this day we wait for clear pics...you don't have any confirmation at all...feel free to post something new.....

Yes, that again. China, India and Japan all have images confirming that what small details observed on the lunar surface by Apollo unknown prior to the missions are actually there, and they have recorded human activity just as the LRO has recorded it. You don't get to dismiss evidence from multiple sources just because you have decided they aren't pretty enough. What you need to do is account for the fact that these countries all confirm the evidence recorded by Apollo.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: ZIPMATT


You have asserted that a magnetosphere is essential to support human life and that without one, eg. in space or on the Moon, astronauts will die.

Before anyone can answer any questions about this, and seeing as how there is no evidence either from you or anywhere else to suggest that this assertion is correct, perhaps you would be good enough to back up this assertion with some evidence, if you can?

We'd have to go to the territory where the fundamentals of Environmental Medicine and Environmental Science are described eg

Environmental medicine is a multidisciplinary field involving medicine, environmental science, chemistry and others, overlapping with environmental pathology. It may be viewed as the medical branch of the broader field of environmental health. The scope of this field involves studying the interactions between environment and human health, and the role of the environment in causing or mediating disease. As a specialist field of study it is looked upon with mixed feelings by physicians and politicians alike, for the basic assumption is that health is more widely and dramatically affected by environmental toxins than previously recognized.

And eg The Solar Terrestrial Environment : An Introduction to Geospace by JK Hargreaves

So , are you able to bring some compelling refutation for the assertion you have now recognised , which is also concordant with that of the OP's title ? AKA no one can leave beyond the magnetosphere and remain alive ?

a reply to: ZIPMATT

"AKA no one can leave beyond the magnetosphere and remain alive ? "

Can you point me to where Mr Hargreaves says this?

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown

originally posted by: ZIPMATT
. They say , "oh but there's footprints you can see through telescopes , but what they do with the FRICKIN CAR they driving round up there ? Hook it back on and redock with the orbiter and bring it back ? LOL
Noooo , we don't think so , at all.

Surely you are now trolling just for your own entertainment, if you planned that mission would you consider bringing back extra weight

And as for the lander meeting the orbiter these astronauts are also pilots I think they know how to Dock with something whether on earth or space.

An effective investigating interviewer will progressively screen out the issues you don't have answers for , from the ones you think you do , by asking multiple questions . We're now past that stage , and you're being stalked over one issue ,
the one which is put yet again to wmd_2008 .
Ie :

Can you not answer the question over the magnetosphere's necessity for adequate human electric systems function yourself ?

And also you said :

And as for the lander meeting the orbiter these astronauts are also pilots I think they know how to Dock with something whether on earth or space.

So you think therefore it is ?
Nope - it doesn't work that way
You're told therefore you believe - strange but true

a reply to: ZIPMATT


Well, that quote that you posted has nothing to do with the magnetosphere or your assertions relating to it. JK Hargreaves does not seem to support your assertions either, as far as I can see, so please do point me to wherever he might do so.

I cannot refute your assertion until you actually provide something, anything, to back it up. It's up to you to do that, if you can.

a reply to: ZIPMATT

Idiots deserved to be treated like IDIOTS once you have went through ALL 672 pages on the link come back then.

As the site motto says DENY IGNORANCE

a reply to: oldcarpy

Why don't you read it ?
You're the one who is trying to prove something , and first of all you need to convince the skeptics .
This skeptic says , it never happened because it's impossible for a good reason : ie the conditions the magnetosphere provides for human electrical systems to function are essential and non-replicable at this point in time .

And you attempting to prove said skeptic's argument to be over-ruled , need to refute the objection . Go ahead and make my day old boy , if you can , which you won't be able to

They went to the moon. That's ironic so did Stanley Kubrick about the same time.
The question is who got there first Apollo or Stanley.

a reply to: ZIPMATT

The Moon landing missions were not the only ones to go to leave Earth Orbit Apollo 8,9 &10 all did that every possible hoax excuse is on that thread every STUPID reason why people claim the missions never happened is all there plain & simple and of course the reasons why they are wrong.

a reply to: ZIPMATT


I did read it, although it would have helped if you had actually done a link to it. It does not support your assertion in the slightest, as you would know if you had bothered to read it yourself. If you have actually read it, which I doubt, perhaps you could post a brief precis of what Mr Hargreaves has to say about this? I challenge you to do so.

I am not the one trying to prove anything. You are the one saying that the "human electrical system" cannot function outside the magnetosphere.

No one can refute an argument that has not even been properly set out. So, put up or shut up. What evidence do you have to support your assertion? And - posting irrelevant waffle does not cut it.

Over to you. Old boy.

a reply to: AthlonSavage


Take a deep breath, collect your thoughts, and then try to post something that remotely makes sense? Just a suggestion.

originally posted by: AthlonSavage
They went to the moon. That's ironic so did Stanley Kubrick about the same time.
The question is who got there first Apollo or Stanley.

Stanley Kubrick's version of moonscapes in 2001:A Space Odyssey does not look much like the close-up images of the Moon taken by China, India, Japan, Russia, or the U.S.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People


It also contains many glaring mistakes and errors in the special effects. Still pretty good for the time, but even he was not up to perfecting the special effects needed to fake a Moon landing.

Given the logistics of even attempting to fake it, it would have been an easier task to actually do it. Which, we did.